Society/Culture Another woman has murdered another kid

[cartwright]

Any person who kills a child must be deranged.

My heart goes to that poor baby.

 

[cartwright]

The data is very muddy. I can't find any solid data break downs relating to child deaths from parents and the relative gender offender specifics.

However, I can find the deaths of children covered under things like "munchausen syndrome by proxy" and other exotic conditions.

It makes me wonder if certain things are deliberately "not researched"

There's a NSW report that has been widely referenced on this site

 

[SBYM]

OP was posting in that thread and may have seen the attitude of excusing the woman in other places so I am guessing that has partially motivated this thread from them.

Ye...fair enough.

Personally think they're all monsters. What carried them to that point, I'll leave for others to debate and the experts to decide.

 

[BORK]

There's a NSW report that has been widely referenced on this site

That relies on the actions of over represented stepfathers to paint an inaccurate picture of which parent is more likely to kill their own biological child.

Single mothers and stepfathers seem to be the areas of risk for abuse.

 

[BORK]

Children killed by genetic parents versus stepparentsB Grant T. Harrisa,4, N. Zoe Hiltona , Marnie E. Ricea , Angela W. Ekeb

http://people.uncw.edu/bruce/hon 210/pdfs/infanticide.pdf

Results and discussion There were 111 children killed by their genetic mothers, 86 killed by their genetic fathers, 16 killed by their stepmothers, 62 killed by their stepfathers

4. Summary, limitations, and conclusions
Extrapolating from available data, the results indicated a
considerably greater risk represented by stepfathers than by
genetic fathers. At least five times as many children live
with genetic fathers, while the raw frequencies of filicide
were roughly equal in the two groups. A most liberal
estimate for the prevalence of stepmothering (5%) also
suggested that stepmothers represent a substantially greater
risk of filicide. Stepparents, especially mothers, were more
likely to have exhibited anger, beaten the child, previously
injured the child, and come to the attention of authorities for
child abuse. The presence of a stepmother’s genetic
offspring increased the severity of prior abuse and neglect

 

[Generalissimo]

As long as we go on pretending that only men are a danger to children, we can only ever deal with half of the problem of these preventable deaths.

 

[BORK]

As long as we go on pretending that only men are a danger to children, we can only ever deal with half of the problem of these preventable deaths.

Murder sits at the most extreme end.

When it comes to the abuse of children a heavy majority of it is at the hands of women. This does not have to mean child abuse is a gender issue as they (women) are the majority carers of children. But when 70% of children abused have a female perpetrator involved and certain entities want to ignore that then these children are being failed by the society they live in.

 

[Snake_Baker]

http://people.uncw.edu/bruce/hon 210/pdfs/infanticide.pdf

Very interesting.

It's time this stuff was given equal footing on the domestic violence agenda.

 

[BORK]

Very interesting.

It's time this stuff was given equal footing on the domestic violence agenda.

It won't sadly because it destroys a narrative.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Men are more likely to kill children that are not their own. More women kill their own children than men do. Stepfathers are overrepresented as murderers of children. More children are murdered by their biological mother than by their biological father.

It is not really about making it a gender issue. It is about the reluctance to acknowledge what children suffer at the hands of women like society seems to do when it is a male.

Single mothers and stepfathers/non father intimate partners of the mother are heavily over-represented proportionately as child abuse perpetrators. Special attention should be given to the areas of high risk.

I read an article some years ago and I can't remember where but it said in Middle Eastern countries, when there is a marriage breakdown, custody of any children involved is more likely to go to the fathers / father's family so that any new partner the mother ends up with won't harm the children.

Seemed pretty sensible to me at the time when I read it, there had been a spate of male defactos / boyfriends killing their partner's kids.

Also, I thought it had been pretty common knowledge for years that a biological mother is much more likely to kill their own children in a certain age range from newborn up to an age I can't remember.

 

[Farm Boy]

As long as we go on pretending that only men are a danger to children, we can only ever deal with half of the problem of these preventable deaths.

As long as we have a structurally unjust, unfair, and completely one sided family law system - these instances will continue to happen. There is no accountability at all, and single Mothers are continuing to make selfish decisions, and decisions that often result in abuse to their children - directly or indirectly. What doesn't help is the amount of men lining up to make excuses for the behaviour of some of these women. So long as this happens, we will continue to have a family law system that enables these behaviours, and we will continue to see children abused, and men suicide.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

There's another rotten one in the news today in Qld. Parents charged with the murder and torture of their 2 year old daughter.

 

[BORK]

There's another rotten one in the news today in Qld. Parents charged with the murder and torture of their 2 year old daughter.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...h/news-story/63aa3faab7639c094e00def8563677c2
That is just ******* devastating reading that.

 

[BORK]

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/rip/rip38/rip38.pdf
Interestingly enough this Australian report which included heavily disproportionately represented step fathers in their Filicide statistics.

Within the NHMP, domestic/family homicides are sub-classified against five relationship categories. These are: 1) Intimate partner—victim and offender are current or former partners (married, defacto, boy/girlfriend); 2) Filicide—victim is the child of the offender; 3) Parricide—victim is the parent of the offender; 4) Siblicide—victim and offender are brother/s or sister/s; and 5) Other family—including nieces, uncles, cousins, grandparents. Categories two through four include biological, adoptive and step relatives.

Males accounted for the majority of offenders in both domestic/family and non-domestic/ family homicides, except filicides where females accounted for over half (52%; n=96) of offenders for this category of domestic/family homicide.

This may indicate the gap between biological mothers and biological fathers who kill their own children may be larger in Australia than the other countries involved in the study linked earlier in this page.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/rip/rip38/rip38.pdf
Interestingly enough this Australian report which included heavily disproportionately represented step fathers in their Filicide statistics.



This may indicate the gap between biological mothers and biological fathers who kill their own children may be larger in Australia than the other countries involved in the study linked earlier in this page.

To play devil's advocate, could it be linked to women undoubtedly spending more time with their children?

I presume that stay-at-home mothers are still much more common.

 

[BORK]

To play devil's advocate, could it be linked to women undoubtedly spending more time with their children?

I presume that stay-at-home mothers are still much more common.

Single mothers are high risk areas for abuse and heavily disproportionately represented.

There are a number of factors associated with risk of abuse of children and single mothers unfortunately tick many of those boxes.

The stay at home mother thing is different. If one parent spends an extra 3-4 hours with the kids on school days before the other parent returns from work that does not necessarily indicate that they will be more likely to abuse the children than the other parent. In fact opposite can be true if the working parent is facing more stresses in their life. At the same time the isolation of the stay at home parent may alter their mental state. You will not find a study that relates abuse to "hours spent with the child" despite a poster on this site that desperately tries to defect with a metric like that(and fail to provide sources).

Here are some reasons stated by the mayo clinic website.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/child-abuse/basics/risk-factors/con-20033789

Factors that may increase a person's risk of becoming abusive include:

• A history of being abused or neglected as a child
• Physical or mental illness, such as depression or post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
• Family crisis or stress, including domestic violence and other marital conflicts, single parenting, or young children in the family, especially several children under age 5
• A child in the family who is developmentally or physically disabled
• Financial stress or unemployment
• Social or extended family isolation
• Poor understanding of child development and parenting skills
• Alcoholism or other forms of substance abuse

A detailed list of risk factors and protective factors (factors that are associated with reduced incidences of child abuse and neglect) is provided by this government website.
https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/risk-and-protective-factors-child-abuse-and-neglect

Table 1: Commonly cited risk factors for child abuse and neglect
Ecological level

Risk factors

Sources: Black, Smith Slep & Heyman, 2001; Brown, Cohen, Johnson, & Salzinger, 1998; Clément, Bérubé & Chamberland, 2016; Dubowitz et al., 2011; Forston, Klevens, Merrick, Gilbert & Alexander, 2016; Freisthler, Merrit & LaScala 2006; Li et al., 2011; Palusci, 2011; Putnam-Hornstein & Needell, 2011; Shook Slack et al., 2011; Stith et al., 2009 Wu et al., 2004)

▪ Individual child factors

• low birth weight
• pregnancy or birth complications
• child temperament or behaviour
• child disability

Family/parental factors

• parental substance abuse
• involvement in criminal behaviour
• family conflict or violence
• mental health problems
• child perceived as problem by parents
• history of child abuse and neglect
• large family size
• exposure to stress
• parental temperament
• teenage/young parent/s
• single or unmarried parents
• low level of parental education
• use of corporal punishment
• unplanned pregnancy
• physical health problems
• low self-esteem
• social isolation

Social/environment factors

• socio-economic disadvantage
• parental unemployment
• housing stress
• lack of access to social support
• lack of pre-natal care
• neighbourhood disadvantage
• neighbourhood violence

Table 2: Protective factors for reducing the incidence of child abuse and neglect
Ecological level

Protective factors

Sources: Black et al., 2001; Brown et al., 1998; Clément et al., 2016; Dubowitz et al., 2011; Forston, Klevens, Merrick, Gilbert & Alexander, 2016; Freisthler et al., 2006; Li et al., 2011; Palusci, 2011; Shook Slack et al., 2011; Stith et al., 2009

Individual/child factors

• social and emotional competence
• attachment to parent/s

Family/parental factors

• strong parent/child relationship
• parental self-esteem
• family cohesion
• two-parent household
• high level of parental education
• self-efficacy
• family functioning
• knowledge of parenting and child development
• parental resilience
• concrete support for parents

Social/environmental factors

• positive social connection and support
• employment
• neighbourhood social capital
• adequate housing
• socio-economically advantaged neighbourhood
• access to health and social services

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Well, that answered that.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Well I assume the father will be announced Australian of The Year next January then

Nah, he'll get the blame for it somehow.

Place your sympathies for the woman in this thread.

Congratulations on your s**t thread.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Congratulations on your s**t thread.

Thanks.

Move along.

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

Congratulations on your s**t thread.

There have been some pretty decent links posted in this thread for others to read.

Or would you prefer to maintain the Australian position of not caring as much about an abused child if the perpetrator is female?

 

[Lethality]

This is old news, as I recall the campaigner tried to pass it off as an abduction and blame it on some strange men.

 

[cannot]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/i...n-court-on-murder-charge-20170605-gwkyk8.html

OP should've mentioned it's Islamic state related. Hardly surprising but poor child.

what?

 

[Jiska]

Stabbed a 13 month old baby to death apparently.

Poor thing.

Place your sympathies for the woman in this thread.

Did she mention ISIS?

Obviously not. Didn't make headlines or take up 76348732864864 pages of the HS.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Not quite murder, but she had a dip.

Adelaide woman escapes jail after bashing daughter

By Emily McPherson
5:13pm Sep 7, 2017

Evie picture in hospital after the assault by her mother.

An Adelaide woman has escaped jail despite pleading guilty to the aggravated assault of her eight-month-old daughter.

Father Shane McMahon has expressed his outrage at the South Australian district court’s decision, claiming to Nine.com.au that her actions were fuelled by jealousy over his new relationship.

Lorien Norman, 26, called police last October threatening to throw Evie off the balcony of her unit, the court heard.

When police officers arrived and noticed bruises all over Evie’s face, Norman initially lied and told officers the baby had fallen at a play gym.

The pair were taken to hospital where a paediatrician determined that Evie had been physically assaulted and hit in the face and body at least eight times.

“In the DPP's submission the injuries were caused by reason of a sustained and deliberate assault by you upon your daughter which involved multiple blows, at least one of which was with a slotted spoon to your daughter's face and that this indicated more than a momentary loss of control on your part,” Judge Jack Costello said in his sentencing on August 30.

Norman pleaded guilty to the aggravated assault which usually carries a maximum jail term of 13 years.

In his sentencing, Judge Jack Costello noted Norman’s history of drug and alcohol abuse but also that the mother-of-two had taken steps to her turn her life around.

“Whilst any assault of a child, particularly one of such a tender age and vulnerability, by a parent stands as a gross breach of trust, your offending is nevertheless far from the most serious of offending of this type in terms of the degree of force involved and the duration of the offending,” Costello said.

Norman was given a reduced sentence of one year and nine months because of her guilty plea, which Judge Costello then fully suspended after Norman agreed to pay a $500 bond guaranteeing her good behaviour for two years.

Mr McMahon, who shares two children with Norman and now has full custody of them both, said he was stunned by the court’s decision, which he heard about only yesterday through an acquaintance that works at a law firm.

“Where is the justice for Evie, it’s absolutely disgraceful,” he told Nine.com.au.

“She has gone and bashed my child and threatened to kill her. It’s just gut wrenching.”

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/09/07/17/13/adelaide-woman-escapes-jail-after-bashing-daughter

 

[Snake_Baker]

A bloke would have gotten 5 years.