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Society/Culture Has society become better or worse over the past 30 years?
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Emissions are now falling in the west. Large falls in both europe and the Usa last year. This will only accelerate going foward.
China is building an incredible amount of renewables. Renewables are now so much cheaper then coal and gas generation its not funny.
Your own chart shows coal emissions have basically been flat for the past 13 years despite China building a ridiculous amount of coal generators (and China is now stopping). All projections have dramatic falls going foward. Even India is going to turn away from coal.
Oil is about to face an alternative in transport in Evs. We all see it coming but its not big enough yet to show up in the data yet. But it will shortly.
Look at the forecasts.
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I disagree with this. Look at all the net zero carbon pledges. Bans on new coal generators in the west. Coming bans on oil based cars and use of gas heating in homes. Look at all the companies pledging to reduce their emissions and actively doing so.
Now compare this to 1990? Or any other decade for that matter. When there was literally no plans and no action.
You may be unhappy with the pace of improvement but you cant say things arent improving. There was literally no plans to curb co2 emissions 30 years ago. None. In fact there werent any technology options either. Solar was so expensive that it wasnt even commercial. And evs and green hydrogen werent even a dream at that point. There was no alternative to oil and gas use in industry and transport. And in power people actually thought using gas was going green
Plus your post wasnt just about co2. It was about the environment.
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Q&A: Climate tipping points have put Earth on ‘disastrous trajectory’, says new report - Carbon Brief
The Earth is on a “disastrous trajectory” with “no adequate global governance” to deal with climate tipping points, warns a major new report.
Come back to me in 6 years and we will see how we are looking.
Yes, post was about the environment by global warming is a major cornerstone. It’s not just that, it’s over development, deforestation, this need to just grow and get bigger etc.
Forecasts, projections etc you live in a fake world seeds. Humans have never given up an energy source willingly and I'm betting we won't now. We didn't stop burning trees because we love the planet, coal saved Britain from complete deforestation(irony when you know where coal comes from) and everyone followed, the other option was easter island.
Renewable builds are the wrong metric, green washing, renewables top up our energy demand rather than replace fossil fuels because energy=gdp and it must grow.
Rather than EVs try no cars, unless a coal plant is directly replaced by wind turbines it's meaningless
Respect for nature - especially the environment - is really a luxury item that only affluent countries (and their populations) can afford.
The idea that hunter gatherer societies were environmentally-conscious is a myth. Everywhere that's been studied the same pattern emerges - they killed too many animals, ate a bit but left a lot, then moved on. It's not a coincidence that everywhere humans migrated to tens of thousands of years ago - megafauna died off. Given we evolved in a feast or famine world over millions of years ago, it's exactly what you'd expect.
Nope- sorry-the planet environmentally is in worse shape. We are in trouble there. Awareness of it has improved, but not action-although lots of people are working hard at helping.
I mean that in terms of a progressive, comfortable society-for the majority of people in a country like ours-we have improved a lot- medically, educationally, socially, technology…
Yep. Agree.
Not sure. Going by the people I've spoken to (all scientists by the way) it's just universal. Humans turned up - megafauna died. Whether it was Mauritius or New Zealand or Australia or North America or South America.
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Yeh it's the most likely hypothesis, though the younger dryas and warmer holocene probably helped
Humans everywhere bar a bit of Africa are an invasive species, it's no surprise that one of few places left with lots of megafauna* is that bit of Africa
*It depends how you define it, Humans/pastoral mammals/kangaroos etc can all fit into a lot of definitions. It may well be we replaced their role in ecosystems and they died out rather than they were hunted to extinction, probably a bit of both
Yeh the loss of a few larger species and other human types can probably be put down to stone age migrations. The current levels are worse than the greatest extinctions on earth and is a direct result of industrial civilisation
Extinction event - Wikipedia
They can all be put down to large increases of CO2, even the dinosaurs(The asteroid was a major factor but the deccan traps* were raging before and after)
*Good band name
The world is a sh-t hole now, to many freaks and as-holes,we need more war. but hey that's just my thoughts. lol
Controversial question
But given the negative impact of many of the boomer generation, has society getting worse and the scientific advancements that allowed them to live longer linked in any way?
Is it a sign humans shouldnt live to 80?
But given the negative impact of many of the boomer generation, has society getting worse and the scientific advancements that allowed them to live longer linked in any way?
Is it a sign humans shouldnt live to 80?
Anyone thinking the world or society is worse now than at any other time in human history is suffering from the trappings of luxury beliefs. I think people who are negative about the current state of affairs mistake the gap between what things were like thirty years ago and today with the gap between what things are like today and the utopian vision of what they "should be".
Things now are better than they were before by almost every metric.
That's not a reason to become indifferent to problems or rest on our collective laurels.
Things now are better than they were before by almost every metric.
That's not a reason to become indifferent to problems or rest on our collective laurels.
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