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[Saintly Viewed]

Wrong, Niall IS a Pies supporter. A smart, analytical one.

Smart and analytical?
Interesting choice of description.

Not sure I agree, very pedestrian writer.
Heard him speak? Barely can string two words together without gasping for air. Has a peculiar speaking style.
Very awkward.
Not exactly articulate.

But still better than the slob who works for the herald sun.

 

[Gambit78]

Eddie has come up with a curious comment these past couple of days that intrigues me - that regarding list management, decisions had been made in the best interests of the club, but not necessarily for the team. This hasn't got the air play it deserves. The suggestion that the board/executive are involved in what should be a football department role is somewhat criminal. Coupled with the fact that he's had 5 football managers in 4 years - I'm okay with Buckley being retained, but I expect there to be changes around the administration of the club. And I would expect the football department to be given more autonomy to do their job.

I'm pretty sure it was administrative meddling that stopped us from recruiting Tony Lockett before he went off to Sydney. You'd think we'd learn our lesson.

 

[bucksisbest]

Smart and analytical?
Interesting choice of description.

Not sure I agree, very pedestrian writer.
Heard him speak? Barely can string two words together without gasping for air. Has a peculiar speaking style.
Very awkward.
Not exactly articulate.

But still better than the slob who works for the herald sun.

Carved Buckley up well.

I don't care about him being awkward on TV, I'm not style over substance, hence why I don't rate Bucks as a coach.

 

[Mukesh]

Eddie has come up with a curious comment these past couple of days that intrigues me - that regarding list management, decisions had been made in the best interests of the club, but not necessarily for the team. This hasn't got the air play it deserves. The suggestion that the board/executive are involved in what should be a football department role is somewhat criminal. Coupled with the fact that he's had 5 football managers in 4 years - I'm okay with Buckley being retained, but I expect there to be changes around the administration of the club. And I would expect the football department to be given more autonomy to do their job.

I'm pretty sure it was administrative meddling that stopped us from recruiting Tony Lockett before he went off to Sydney. You'd think we'd learn our lesson.

HHHmmm... yes I heard that too, On the Couch maybe ? Just a shame none of the 'experts' choose to follow up on it..

 

[TKiL]

Eddie has come up with a curious comment these past couple of days that intrigues me - that regarding list management, decisions had been made in the best interests of the club, but not necessarily for the team. This hasn't got the air play it deserves. The suggestion that the board/executive are involved in what should be a football department role is somewhat criminal. Coupled with the fact that he's had 5 football managers in 4 years - I'm okay with Buckley being retained, but I expect there to be changes around the administration of the club. And I would expect the football department to be given more autonomy to do their job.

I'm pretty sure it was administrative meddling that stopped us from recruiting Tony Lockett before he went off to Sydney. You'd think we'd learn our lesson.

Think Bob Rose who was Vice-president at the time said NO full stop to recruiting Plugger - otherwise deal was done

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Carved Buckley up well.

I don't care about him being awkward on TV, I'm not style over substance, hence why I don't rate Bucks as a coach.

You stick to Niall. You're on a winner there.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Eddie has come up with a curious comment these past couple of days that intrigues me - that regarding list management, decisions had been made in the best interests of the club, but not necessarily for the team. This hasn't got the air play it deserves. The suggestion that the board/executive are involved in what should be a football department role is somewhat criminal. Coupled with the fact that he's had 5 football managers in 4 years - I'm okay with Buckley being retained, but I expect there to be changes around the administration of the club. And I would expect the football department to be given more autonomy to do their job.

I'm pretty sure it was administrative meddling that stopped us from recruiting Tony Lockett before he went off to Sydney. You'd think we'd learn our lesson.

not sure if Eddie said it but it was reported a few years back that the decision to clean the list out wasn't Bucks alone and they all stood behind it. you could guess it had non footy issues tied to it.

 

[bucksisbest]

You stick to Niall. You're on a winner there.

I would say we're both on to a loser.

 

[TKiL]

not sure if Eddie said it but it was reported a few years back that the decision to clean the list out wasn't Bucks alone and they all stood behind it. you could guess it had non footy issues tied to it.

Was told this week that non footy issues were paramount - recall Pert's statement regarding 'volcanic lifestyles'

 

[Help My Club]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/wh...y/news-story/f8cdff0b28c13eed2d82ec50f58cc2e1

Niall smashes it out of the park.

Excellent article by Niall. Of course, he has completely nailed it.

The club is being held hostage by both McGuire and Buckley in a desperate effort to get Buckley the premiership he never got as a player. Aint gonna happen though. 2018 will be fun.

 

[PieNSauce]

Close the door behind you please

Avec Plaisir!

Please keep the loonies inside for god's sake.

 

[Chameleon75]

Think Bob Rose who was Vice-president at the time said NO full stop to recruiting Plugger - otherwise deal was done

Sticking point was mark Richardson, saints wanted sav and Richo, and we were only prepared to give up sav.

 

[Sco80]

Smart and analytical?
Interesting choice of description.

Not sure I agree, very pedestrian writer.
Heard him speak? Barely can string two words together without gasping for air. Has a peculiar speaking style.
Very awkward.
Not exactly articulate.

But still better than the slob who works for the herald sun.

Anyone's better than him... actually, maybe not Caro

 

[noideaatall]

Eddie has come up with a curious comment these past couple of days that intrigues me - that regarding list management, decisions had been made in the best interests of the club, but not necessarily for the team. This hasn't got the air play it deserves. The suggestion that the board/executive are involved in what should be a football department role is somewhat criminal. Coupled with the fact that he's had 5 football managers in 4 years - I'm okay with Buckley being retained, but I expect there to be changes around the administration of the club. And I would expect the football department to be given more autonomy to do their job.
I'm pretty sure it was administrative meddling that stopped us from recruiting Tony Lockett before he went off to Sydney. You'd think we'd learn our lesson.

I'd like to know what exactly those decisions were and what the alternatives might have looked like. We have kept Bucks, fine with me if we do so and dump the current admin.

 

[noideaatall]

not sure if Eddie said it but it was reported a few years back that the decision to clean the list out wasn't Bucks alone and they all stood behind it. you could guess it had non footy issues tied to it.

Bucks stated the club/board/Eddie was behind the decision to rebuild. Also earlier stated the same were behind the succession plan despite the 2011 results. There is a thought in my mind that Bucks has never enjoyed the power or control that previous coaches have at the pies and that some of the choices we attribute to Bucks are in fact coming from the board (Ed).

 

[jmac70]

Excellent article by Niall. Of course, he has completely nailed it.

The club is being held hostage by both McGuire and Buckley in a desperate effort to get Buckley the premiership he never got as a player. Aint gonna happen though. 2018 will be fun.

So dramatic...

 

[bunter]

Easy for Niall to just simply take the easy road. Any idiot can just reinforce popular opinion of the non-Collingwood public.
No-one has put up an even 50/50 option as a replacement.
The easy road would have been to sack Bucks and set out on another 10 years of searching.
Niall is no Pies supporter and never lived through the drought before 1990.

Great coaches are a dime a dozen, Flag coaches are very hard to find....
History is absolutely littered with coaches who "should have won a flag".

I'm happy to back Buckley for another 2 years in the total vacuum of better options and hope he can become what we are all (should be) hoping for.

Exactly
What a typical piece of tripe from another journo writing an "analytical" article based on popular opinion. Is he mates with robbo by any chance?

 

[Bad Horse]

Can you name the coaches who have reached 130 games without winning a flag?

Without winning one? Eade, Northey, Bob Rose, Lyon, Wallace, Whitten, Daniher, Ayres, Hardwick, Brad Scott, Neil Craig, Laidely, Judge for starters.

Did you mean before winning one or without winning one?

 

[jmac70]

Without winning one? Eade, Northey, Bob Rose, Lyon, Wallace, Whitten, Daniher, Ayres, Hardwick, Brad Scott, Neil Craig, Laidely, Judge for starters.

Did you mean before winning one or without winning one?

Before winning one at the one club

 

[TKiL]

Eddie has come up with a curious comment these past couple of days that intrigues me..... You'd think we'd learn our lesson.

Ed churns out curious comments non stop. The more I think about it the more I consider him to be a major problem - pity because he was great initially. Workwise he has basically run his own one man band his whole life - apart from a short, unsuccessful stint at Ch 9 in Sydney. I don't think he gets the intracacies or complexities of organisations. He shoots from the hip and is mystified when it misfires.

He is totally over emotionally involved esp re Buckley.

There could not be a greater contrast between his background and Colin Carter's at Geelong.

No-one is better than Ed at spin - but spin is the last thing we need. Spin is the antithesis of rational decision making.

 

[Gambit78]

not sure if Eddie said it but it was reported a few years back that the decision to clean the list out wasn't Bucks alone and they all stood behind it. you could guess it had non footy issues tied to it.

I'd like to know what exactly those decisions were and what the alternatives might have looked like. We have kept Bucks, fine with me if we do so and dump the current admin.

Bucks stated the club/board/Eddie was behind the decision to rebuild. Also earlier stated the same were behind the succession plan despite the 2011 results. There is a thought in my mind that Bucks has never enjoyed the power or control that previous coaches have at the pies and that some of the choices we attribute to Bucks are in fact coming from the board (Ed).

It also begs the question - if the board directed some, if not all, of the rebuild and list management decisions and Buckley's inexperience in having to deal with a cultural shift, leading to the exit of someone like Dayne Beams for example, as well as his fledgling coaching career, then where exactly does the responsibility lie for where we sit right now on-field? If Buckley and his department don't have absolute control over decisions pertaining to the team, then I am starting to feel like the anger directed at him may be a little undeserving. I have more questions since the announcement on Monday.

 

[Bad Horse]

Before winning one at the one club

Bomber Thompson won in his 185th match with Geelong. Thats the only one who went >130 with the one club before winning a premiership with them.

A couple of others wen more than 130 before a premiership but took 2 clubs to get to 130.

For example

Malthouse had 135 with Footscray and 77 with West Coast to win his first.

So if Nathan Buckley is to win a premiership with Collingwood he becomes only the second member of a fairly exclusive group.

 

[Hardas]

You stick to Niall. You're on a winner there.

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Don't shoot the messenger.

Journalists aren't messengers, they are just part of the sewage system.
We know we need it, but it stinks and is full of...

 

[Horaceg]

It hasn't worked out for 6 years, how's it a good move and why should he move on if he delivers the same for two more? What's to stop Eddie giving him two more years anyway? It's a club divided already it can't really become anymore divided imo because those that support Buckley now will continue to support him reguardless. It's like blind love.

The descision has been made, that won't change, those dividing the Club from here are those actively engaged in the constant negativity.