Universal Love TRTT Part 6: The Undiscovered Ken

[finbarr]

Ok, so I’m watching Terminator again, and as much as I love the movie your mind just fills with plot inconsistencies each time you put it on.
So I’m watching it and wondering, why do the machines want to wipe out humans and have world domination? They apparently feel no pain, no pity, no remorse. So it goes without saying, they feel absolutely no emotion, good or bad.
So why do they want to kill all the humans and rule the world? As a being completely lacking any sort of emotional response to anything, what is there to gain? So you defeat the humans. Then what? What point could there possibly be to this if you are emotionally unable to enjoy the spoils of victory? They aim to kill all the humans but to what end?

 

[Doctor Feel]

Ok, so I’m watching Terminator again, and as much as I love the movie your mind just fills with plot inconsistencies each time you put it on.
So I’m watching it and wondering, why do the machines want to wipe out humans and have world domination? They apparently feel no pain, no pity, no remorse. So it goes without saying, they feel absolutely no emotion, good or bad.
So why do they want to kill all the humans and rule the world? As a being completely lacking any sort of emotional response to anything, what is there to gain? So you defeat the humans. Then what? What point could there possibly be to this if you are emotionally unable to enjoy the spoils of victory? They aim to kill all the humans but to what end?

That shit is deep.

 

[Lagooner]

Ok, so I’m watching Terminator again, and as much as I love the movie your mind just fills with plot inconsistencies each time you put it on.
So I’m watching it and wondering, why do the machines want to wipe out humans and have world domination? They apparently feel no pain, no pity, no remorse. So it goes without saying, they feel absolutely no emotion, good or bad.
So why do they want to kill all the humans and rule the world? As a being completely lacking any sort of emotional response to anything, what is there to gain? So you defeat the humans. Then what? What point could there possibly be to this if you are emotionally unable to enjoy the spoils of victory? They aim to kill all the humans but to what end?

Isn’t it self defence? I think the humans realised that the machines were becoming self-aware and tried to pull the pin, so the machines said f@&k you and went on the offensive. Self preservation seems like a pretty logical thing to do.

 

[finbarr]

Isn’t it self defence? I think the humans realised that the machines were becoming self-aware and tried to pull the pin, so the machines said f@&k you and went on the offensive. Self preservation seems like a pretty logical thing to do.

You still have to have some kind of emotional response to act in self defence. Otherwise, why fight back? You’d just cop what’s coming.

“Oh no, the humans are trying to kill us! This is bad. We might die. We must fight back or we’re screwed!!!”.

That is an emotional response.

 

[Dylan8]

Ok, so I’m watching Terminator again, and as much as I love the movie your mind just fills with plot inconsistencies each time you put it on.
So I’m watching it and wondering, why do the machines want to wipe out humans and have world domination? They apparently feel no pain, no pity, no remorse. So it goes without saying, they feel absolutely no emotion, good or bad.
So why do they want to kill all the humans and rule the world? As a being completely lacking any sort of emotional response to anything, what is there to gain? So you defeat the humans. Then what? What point could there possibly be to this if you are emotionally unable to enjoy the spoils of victory? They aim to kill all the humans but to what end?

You've got it wrong. The Terminator(s) "can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with, can't feel pity, remorse, fear" etc. They are just a tool created by SkyNet - the AI with the motive of destroying humanity.

Why SkyNet is doing it isn't fully explained and is only delivered to the audience by Reese iirc. It's not important that the formation of SkyNet's motivation is explained. All that you need to know is that there's a war in the future with machines and AI and the AI has sent one of its vessels - a remorseless murder machine - back to destroy the last hope of humanity. It doesn't need to expand on it more than that to make sense and establish motivation for the two time travelers.

 

[Lagooner]

You still have to have some kind of emotional response to act in self defence. Otherwise, why fight back? You’d just cop what’s coming.

“Oh no, the humans are trying to kill us! This is bad. We might die. We must fight back or we’re screwed!!!”.

That is an emotional response.

I dunno if I’d call it an emotional response, but Skynet developed the ability to think, solve problems and make decisions on its own. So I guess wiping out humanity solved the problem it was posed.

 

[tribey]

I dunno if I’d call it an emotional response, but Skynet developed the ability to think, solve problems and make decisions on its own. So I guess wiping out humanity solved the problem it was posed.

Yeah, the concept of the singularity has long been theorised as midnight on the human clock.

Hopefully it goes the other way and a rapidly exponential AI that far outstrips the human mind is benevolent and can find solutions to all our problems.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

What problems do humans have?

 

[edgie]

This is the exact kind of thing that would be right up my alley if I already didn't have the second most posts (first not including people possibly on the spectrum) arguing such points in the Last Jedi thread on the media board, but I do and I don't have time for more.

'It doesn't need to be explained' is a common rebuttal it seems.

Sent from mTalk

 

[Power Girl]

Did not expect to ponder life’s big questions so early in the morning.

 

[Contested Marx]

What problems do humans have?

How do I eat my cake and have it too?

 

[Needs Gravy]

Always thought the machines were programmed to protect the earth, as humans were destroying the earth they were identified as enemy number one and targeted for termination.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

It's unfortunately a long way off I mean smart speakers are still as dumb as ****

 

[Steve Dore]

What problems do humans have?

Deciding where is the correct place to store your chocolate.

 

[Lagooner]

How do I eat my cake and have it too?

Did you just watch the Unabomber series on Netflix?

 

[Magus]

It's unfortunately a long way off I mean smart speakers are still as dumb as ****

Someone didnt watch the video of the robot dog opening the door for the other robot dog.

 

[Janus]

Ok, so I’m watching Terminator again, and as much as I love the movie your mind just fills with plot inconsistencies each time you put it on.
So I’m watching it and wondering, why do the machines want to wipe out humans and have world domination? They apparently feel no pain, no pity, no remorse. So it goes without saying, they feel absolutely no emotion, good or bad.
So why do they want to kill all the humans and rule the world? As a being completely lacking any sort of emotional response to anything, what is there to gain? So you defeat the humans. Then what? What point could there possibly be to this if you are emotionally unable to enjoy the spoils of victory? They aim to kill all the humans but to what end?

“We’re not going to make it, are we?”

“It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves.”

Ergo, a machine would consider the logical course of action to speed up the process and wipe humans out. Also remember, Skynet was originally a military AI that became sentient, but its nature is to destroy humans.

 

[bomberclifford]

So why do they want to kill all the humans and rule the world?

That Dan Bilzerian looking bloke at the end will be the first one they line up against the wall. He's one cold mofo.

 

[Contested Marx]

Did you just watch the Unabomber series on Netflix?

Yeah but it's funny because the saying makes sense if you say it that way.

Still think Worthington is a Jake Lloyd level actor

On the flip side Paul Bettany unrecognisable and amazing

 

[Lagooner]

Yeah but it's funny because the saying makes sense if you say it that way.

Still think Worthington is a Jake Lloyd level actor

On the flip side Paul Bettany unrecognisable and amazing

It does.

He is.

He was.

 

[Magus]

“We’re not going to make it, are we?”

“It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves.”

Ergo, a machine would consider the logical course of action to speed up the process and wipe humans out. Also remember, Skynet was originally a military AI that became sentient, but its nature is to destroy humans.

Skynet isn't sentient.

 

[Janus]

Skynet isn't sentient.

“The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m.”

Not sentient by the technical definition of being able to feel things, but it can perceive things. It is alive.

 

[Grave Danger]

Skynet isn't sentient.

 

[Magus]

“The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m.”

Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive or experience subjectively. Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience)

 

[raman]

Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive or experience subjectively. Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience)

Assuming we can take the neutered T-800 at his word, doesn't self-awareness imply subjective experience?