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Speaking of highest winning margins that are unusually low, North Melbourne have never beaten Essendon by more than 10 goals. Remarkably enough, their highest winning margin (59 points) came in 1985 when Essendon totally dominated the comp and lost just 3 games.

The only other time North have beaten Essendon by more than 50 points was in 1992 which was actually North Melbourne's poorest year of the 1990s (and curiously enough, was played at Princes Park).

But in their early years, North Melbourne struggled even more to get even a moderate-sized win against the Dons; from 1925 to 1984 their biggest win was only 33 points!
 
I discovered an amazing thing today, so remarkable I started a thread about players born on significant days in history on the Football History page.

WAFL team Peel Thunder has on its Colts/Under 19s list a player named Jack Sears, whose date of birth is 11th September 2001. While Sears is the first player I know of born on this infamous date, his surname is somewhat ironic. New York's WTC Twin Towers were the tallest buildings in the world upon their completion in the early 1970s, until surpassed by Chicago's Sears Tower.
 
Biggest losses experienced prior to gaining a Rising Star nomination.

margin | player | club | nominated after:
\129|Jeremy Cameron|G. W. S.|round 2, 2012
\120|Adam Treloar|G. W. S.|round 18, 2012
\95|Jack Viney|Melbourne|round 21, 2013
\94|Toby Greene|G. W. S.|round 14, 2012
\94|Lachie Whitfield|G. W. S.|round 10, 2013
\89|Nathan Jones|Melbourne|round 17, 2007
\87|Lewis Taylor|Brisbane Lions|round 9, 2014
\86|Jade Rawlings|Hawthorn|round 16, 1998
\85|Nathan Eagleton|Port Adelaide|round 21, 1997
\77|Scott Cummings|Essendon|round 19, 1994
\76|Duncan Kellaway|Richmond|round 24, 1994
\75|Michael Braun|West Coast|round 14, 1997
\73|Jeff Farmer|Melbourne|round 21, 1996
\65|Brendon Lade|Port Adelaide|round 7, 1997
\65|Dylan Shiel|G. W. S.|round 10, 2012
\65|Andrew McGrath|Essendon|round 4, 2017
 

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The upcoming Queen's Birthday Clash between Melbourne and Collingwood should see the biggest if not 2nd biggest crowd between the 2 sides since this game became a regular fixture. Melbourne are on 8 wins and Collingwood 7 which is the on average the most both sides have had going into this match. Melbourne are 3rd on the ladder and Collingwood 7th which is on average the equal 2nd best they have been behind 2006 when Collingwood were 3rd and Melbourne 6th. And with both teams flying high that year almost 79,000 people attended which is the best for this fixture.

86,664 - #1 ME v CO QB crowd (1964) since 1960
80,310 - #1 R12 crowd (2008) CO v CA
78,773 - #1 QB crowd (2006) since 2000

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Most career goals kicked in losses

Gls|Player|Club(s)|Career|Gls
\567|Lockett, Tony|St,Sy|1983-2002|1360
\392|Richardson, Matthew|Ri|1993-2009|800
\361|Mohr, Bill|St|1929-1941|735
\354|Quinlan, Bernie|WB,Fi|1969-1986|817
\349|Fevola, Brendan|Ca,Br|1999-2010|623
\337|Wade, Doug|Ge,NM|1961-1975|1057
\336|Ablett senior, Gary|Ha,Ge|1982-1996|1030
\322|Moriarty, Jack|Es,Fi|1922-1933|662
\322|Templeton, Kelvin|WB,Me|1974-1985|593
\317|Rocca, Saverio|Co,NM|1992-2006|748
\305|Modra, Tony|Ad,Fr|1992-2001|588
\298|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|1254
\297|Pavlich, Matthew|Fr|2000-2016|700
\296|Hall, Barry|St,Sy,WB|1996-2011|746
\288|Loewe, Stewart|St|1986-2002|594
\287|Lloyd, Matthew|Es|1995-2009|926
\285|Albiston, Alec|Ha,NM|1936-1950|389
\284|Murray, Sel|NM,Ri,NM|1937-1948|461
\282|White, Lindsay|Ge,Sy,Ge|1941-1950|540
\281|Neitz, David|Me|1993-2008|631
\272|Osborne, Richard|Fi,Sy,WB,Co|1982-1998|574
\272|Riewoldt, Nick|St|2001-2017|718
\252|Roach, Michael|Ri|1977-1989|607
\246|Beasley, Simon|WB|1982-1989|575
\245|Forbes, Keith|Es,NM,Fi|1928-1940|475
\242|Riewoldt, Jack|Ri|2007-2018|562
\241|Johnson, Brad|WB|1994-2010|558
\236|Spencer, Jock|NM|1948-1957|475
\234|Wilson, Garry|Fi|1971-1984|452
\223|McKenna, Peter|Co,Ca|1965-1977|874
\221|Hudson, Peter|Ha|1967-1977|727
\219|Franklin, Lance|Ha,Sy|2005-2018|885
\218|Carey, Wayne|NM,Ad|1989-2004|727
\217|Hyde, Bert|Ha|1925-1935|269
\216|Brown, Jonathan|Br|2000-2014|594
\215|Hogg, Jeff|Ri,Fi|1986-1996|347
\214|Coventry, Gordon|Co|1920-1937|1299
\214|Matthews, Leigh|Ha|1969-1985|915
\212|Titus, Jack|Ri|1926-1943|970
\210|Jackson, Mark|Me,St,Ge|1981-1986|308
\208|Minton-Connell, Simon|Ca,Sy,Ha,WB|1989-1998|305
\207|Betts, Eddie|Ca,Ad|2005-2018|550
\206|Pratt, Bob|Sy|1930-1946|681
\206|Kernahan, Stephen|Ca|1986-1997|738
\204|Robertson, Russell|Me|1997-2009|428
\202|Moncrieff, Michael|Ha|1971-1983|629
\200|Freyer, Ted|Es|1929-1937|372
 
The Suns are officially a rabble. Perhaps it's a bit macabre of me to want to see them fold but if they keep putting in performances like this it might eventually happen.

Not only was it GWS' biggest win in its history (108 points), but Gold Coast didn't take a single mark inside forward 50 for the entire match. Not one! The first time it's happened in the AFL since that particular stat was recorded (appears to be from around 1999 onwards).
 
Gibbsy said:
The Suns are officially a rabble. Perhaps it's a bit macabre of me to want to see them fold but if they keep putting in performances like this it might eventually happen.

Not only was it GWS' biggest win in its history (108 points), but Gold Coast didn't take a single mark inside forward 50 for the entire match. Not one! The first time it's happened in the AFL since that particular stat was recorded (appears to be from around 1999 onwards).
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Wouldn't be too many games of fewer than six scoring shots in modern footy. I think Port scored 3.3.21 back in their ghastly 2011 era against the Pies or Hawks from memory, but i was shocked when i saw their 26 points was scored with 4 goals 2.
 
Gibbsy said:
The Suns are officially a rabble. Perhaps it's a bit macabre of me to want to see them fold but if they keep putting in performances like this it might eventually happen.

Not only was it GWS' biggest win in its history (108 points), but Gold Coast didn't take a single mark inside forward 50 for the entire match. Not one! The first time it's happened in the AFL since that particular stat was recorded (appears to be from around 1999 onwards).
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Let us hope it does not come to folding.
Lost 19 quarters in a row I heard. That incredible to me in itself.
 
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Wouldn't be too many games of fewer than six scoring shots in modern footy. I think Port scored 3.3.21 back in their ghastly 2011 era against the Pies or Hawks from memory, but i was shocked when i saw their 26 points was scored with 4 goals 2.
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6 scoring shots or less (1970>):
6 Geelong 3.3 (21) vs. St Kilda 14.15 (99) 1971 Rd. 12
6 Port Adelaide 3.3 (21) vs. Collingwood 23.21 (159) 2011 Rd. 20
5 Gold Coast 3.2 (20) vs. Port Adelaide 20.15 (135) 2017 Rd. 23
6 Gold Coast 4.2 (26) vs. GWS 20.14 (134) 2018 Rd. 12
 
Today’s attendance: 83,518

Largest ever for a Round 12 match
Largest for the QB Clash (since 2000)
2nd largest H&A crowd for Melbourne (since 1964)
3rd largest H&A crowd for CO v ME
5th largest H&A crowd for Melbourne
 
Leading goalkickers:
(Goals / Games Played / Games Left / Season Goals)

Brown: 35 / 12 / 10 / 64
Cameron: 32 / 11 / 10 / 61
Hogan: 31 / 12 / 10 / 57
Franklin: 29 / 9 / 10 / 61

Last time no player kicked 65 goals: 1965
 

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Gibbsy said:
The Suns are officially a rabble. Perhaps it's a bit macabre of me to want to see them fold but if they keep putting in performances like this it might eventually happen.

Not only was it GWS' biggest win in its history (108 points), but Gold Coast didn't take a single mark inside forward 50 for the entire match. Not one! The first time it's happened in the AFL since that particular stat was recorded (appears to be from around 1999 onwards).
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I doubt whether North Adelaide took a single mark inside their own forward fifty back in the 1989 SANFL Grand Final – when a brutal Port Adelaide machine held them to 1-8 (14) for the match and their defence pressured so hard I don’t think even Hawthorn or Geelong would have scored more than three or four goals against them. Watching that game was a vivid memory because of the pressure Port applied, and if my memory is correct North had one mark inside fifty early in the game and rushed the kick out on the full.

One remarkable statistic I found from the old VFA was that in 1980 Box Hill – amidst a nine-season run of 18—143—1 – won one match on a shocking wet weekend (the same weekend North failed to score in the second half at Geelong) at Waverley. Box Hill scored 7-4 (46) to Waverley’s 3-14 (32) – the second lowest score of that VFA season after Box Hill’s own 1-15 (21) against Sunshine – yet apart from that score Box Hill did not concede a score lower than 83 points and no others under 120!
 
Carlton trailed Fremantle by 70 points at half-time, won the 3rd quarter, won the 4th quarter, and still lost by 57. They would have done OK under the netball ladder system this year.
As the late KT would've said, there's always a parallel:
  • 1996 R3, West Coast trailed 2.3 (15) to Essendon's 13.8 (86) at HT, by 71 points. West Coast brought the final margin down to 59. This is the largest losing margin by a team that won both quarters in the second half, while Carlton yesterday is now second.
  • 2007 R9, Port Adelaide trailed 2.4 (16) to Geelong's 13.9 (87) at HT, by 71 points. Port Adelaide brought the final margin down to 56 by winning Q3 & Q4.
  • 1972 R19, North Melbourne trailed 3.5 (23) to Essendon's 16.10 (106) at HT, by 83 points. North stormed home at Windy Hill with 11 goals to 5 in the second half, to lose by 45. This is the largest half-time margin against a team that won both quarters afterwards; Carlton's effort is tenth.
This is the 36th instance of a team that is goalless at half-time winning each of the subsequent quarters. Amazingly those teams have won 20 of those 36 (but 1 from 9 in the past 50 years). Carlton set a new record losing margin in that circumstance, surpassing 51 by Hawthorn vs Port in R11 last year.
 
Most games required to kick first ten goal haul.
(300 goals, goal average over 3 per game)

games required | player | goals | average | ten goal hauls
\1|John Coleman|537|5.47|12
\2|George Moloney|303|3.44|3
\9|Tony Modra|588|3.56|5
\13|Peter McKenna|874|4.57|13
\16|Simon Beasley|575|3.73|5
\17|Brian Taylor|527|3.76|3
\18|Peter Hudson|727|5.63|12
\20|Lindsay White|540|3.80|6
\27|Bill Mohr|735|3.76|3
\27|Michael Roach|607|3.03|5
\31|Fred Fanning|411|3.95|6
\33|Tom Reynolds|369|3.26|1
\38|Warwick Capper|388|3.12|1
\42|Ron Todd|327|4.30|5
\46|Mark Jackson|308|3.75|1
\50|Soapy Vallence|722|3.53|4
\50|Jason Dunstall|1254|4.66|16
\51|Jock Spencer|475|3.10|2
\53|Peter Sumich|514|3.42|2
\61|Bob Pratt|681|4.31|8
\62|Matthew Lloyd|926|3.42|3
\71|Kelvin Templeton|593|3.35|1
\75|Tony Lockett|1360|4.83|22
\77|Gary Ablett|1030|4.15|12
\87|Gordon Coventry|1299|4.24|11
\88|Jack Moriarty|662|3.89|2
\89|Ted Freyer|372|3.00|1
\105|Doug Wade|1057|3.95|4
\106|Sel Murray|461|3.80|1
\119|Dick Lee|707|3.07|1
\152|Lance Franklin|891|3.17|2
\160|Jack Titus|970|3.29|3
 
Against West Coast on Friday night, Sydney became the first team to win without goalling in Q1 and Q4 since Brisbane against St. Kilda in Round 19 of 1994. The Swans are the twenty-seventh team to win without goalling in Q1 and Q4, but only the tenth since 1919.

Their final score of 10-12 (72) is the highest by the 27 teams winning goalless in Q1 and Q4, beating Carlton’s 9-14 (68) against South Melbourne in 1909, and the second-highest by any of the 267 teams goalless in Q1 and Q4 since 1897, although a huge distance behind Hawthorn’s record of 13-10 (88) – yet again against South Melbourne – in 1942.

The Swans’ 32-point Q2 and Q3 margin has been exceeded by a team goalless in Q1 and Q4 on the following four occasions:
  1. 54 points by Carlton against South Melbourne in Round 11, 1909
  2. 38 points by Sydney against St. Kilda in Round 2, 1988
  3. 37 points by South Melbourne against Carlton in Round 8, 1898
  4. 37 points by North Melbourne against Footscray in Round 13, 1984
Richmond equalled it against Brisbane in Round 11 of 1989.

46 out of 267 teams goalless in Q1 and Q4 won both Q2 and Q3, though prior to last Friday this had not occurred since Richmond against Essendon in Round 17 of 1991. The biggest loss by such a team was 58 points by Hawthorn against Melbourne in Round 11 of 1965, followed by 56 points by Footscray against Fitzroy in Round 5 of 1958. Four teams have lost by more after winning both Q2 and Q3 – all in the past two decades:
  • Melbourne 13-9 (87) lost to North Melbourne 22-20 (152) in Round 17, 1998
  • Western Bulldogs 7-10 (52) lost to West Coast 18-16 (124) in Round 6, 1999
  • Adelaide 10-14 (74) lost to Western Bulldogs 21-9 (135) in Round 16, 2000
  • Gold Coast 9-10 (64) lost to Adelaide 18-17 (125) in Round 22, 2011
It’s notable how Hawthorn holds so many seemingly unbeatable records:
  • Most years out of finals – 32 from 1925 to 1956
    • 31 years without a finals appearance in any grade from 1925 to 1955 – would have of course been indefinite but for league revenue sharing allowing the impoverished and patronless club to compete financially
  • Most behinds in a match – 41 against St. Kilda in 1977 is seven ahead of the next highest, and 30 has not been reached since 1995 and is unlikely ever to be in the Docklands Era
  • Highest score after being goalless at half-time – 11-24 (90) against Fitzroy is 15 points ahead of the next-highest of 75 points (in the WANFL West Perth in 1958 scored 12-8 after being goalless at half time)
  • Highest score goalless in Q1 and Q4 – their 13-10 (88) was 19 points ahead of the second-highest before Friday of 9-15 by Hawthorn (again) against Fitzroy in 1937
 
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Biggest losses experienced prior to gaining a Rising Star nomination.

margin | player | club | nominated after:
\129|Jeremy Cameron|G. W. S.|round 2, 2012
\120|Adam Treloar|G. W. S.|round 18, 2012
\95|Jack Viney|Melbourne|round 21, 2013
\94|Toby Greene|G. W. S.|round 14, 2012
\94|Lachie Whitfield|G. W. S.|round 10, 2013
\89|Nathan Jones|Melbourne|round 17, 2007
\87|Lewis Taylor|Brisbane Lions|round 9, 2014
\86|Jade Rawlings|Hawthorn|round 16, 1998
\85|Nathan Eagleton|Port Adelaide|round 21, 1997
\77|Scott Cummings|Essendon|round 19, 1994
\76|Duncan Kellaway|Richmond|round 24, 1994
\75|Michael Braun|West Coast|round 14, 1997
\73|Jeff Farmer|Melbourne|round 21, 1996
\65|Brendon Lade|Port Adelaide|round 7, 1997
\65|Dylan Shiel|G. W. S.|round 10, 2012
\65|Andrew McGrath|Essendon|round 4, 2017
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Unless you meant the loss had to directly precede the nomination.. there are many many missing from this list.
A handful of cherry picked examples


Peter Wright Rising star nom Rd 16 2016
- Lost by 120 points in Rd 6 2016

Touk Miller Rising star nom round 15 2015
- Lost by 93 in Rd 7 2015

Kade Kolodjasnij Rising star nom Round 10 2015
- Lost by 99 points Rd 4 2015 - edit for accuracy

Josh Caddy Rising star nomination Round 16 2012
- Lost by 95, 97, 126 points in the month before his nomination

Tom McDonald lost by 106 points earlier in the year before his 2012 nomination
Sam Blease lost by 101 points earlier in the year before his 2012 nomination
Mitch Golby lost by 91 points earlier in the year before his 2012 nomination
Trent Mckenzie, David Swallow, Zac Smith all lost by 139 points in Rd 6 2011 and were nominated later in the year
Brandon Matera lost by 120 or so points in round 1 2011 and nominated in round 4
 
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