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Last two times Brisbane has won consecutive games by an average of 60+ points:
Rounds 15 & 16, 2018: d. FR by 55 and d. CA by 65
Rounds 17 & 18, 2007: d. CO by 93 and d. NM by 37

NB: CO and NM both made finals in 2007
 
Prior to last night, Carlton’s last 12 Friday nights:

LLLLLLLLLLLL (avg loss 61 points)

Last night against a bottom 4 club, Carlton lose by 64 points.

Hopefully Carlton don’t get another Friday night for 2 years.
 

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Last 3 times Brisbane has won 3 consecutive H&A matches in 3 different states:

2018:
R15. d Fremantle (WA)
R16. d Carlton (Qld)
R17. d Hawthorn (Tas)

2005:
R11. d Fremantle (WA)
R12. d Carlton (Vic)
R13. d Geelong (Qld)

2001:
R20. d Fremantle (WA)
R21. d Geelong (Vic)
R22. d Sydney (Qld)
 
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There has been much talk about Richmond being unable to win interstate. No Victorian team has won a premiership having lost interstate 4 times.
RI (0 wins from 4 games); ME (2/3); CO (3/3) ... so far

I'm calling it. Collingwood are a monty to at least make the grand final, if not win it.

Least interstate H&A* wins by Victorian premiers:
0/2 - CA (1987)
1/3 - HW (1991)
1/2 - HW (1988), ES (1993)
2/5 - HW (2014)
2/4 - NM (1996)
2/3 - HW (1988), CO (1990), NM (1999)
3/5 - HW (2015), WB (2016)
3/4 - CA (1995)
4/6 - RI (2017)
4/5 - GE (2009)
4/4 - ES (2000), GE (2007), HW (2013)
5/6 - GE (2011)

*away games played outside Victoria against non-Victorian teams
 
Most of us probably remember Brian Wilson as a Brownlow medallist and great player for Melbourne in the 80s. I thought these stats were interesting:
1st game as 1st club FO - R5, 1978 aged 16y 211d
1st game as 2nd club NM - R2, 1980 aged 18y 188d
1st game as 3rd club ME - R1, 1982 aged 20y 179d

So he was barely 20 1/2 and was already playing at his 3rd club! Something went right because he won the Brownlow in his first year at Melbourne.
 
gcsunsfc said:
Wonder what he was doing 43+44..
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In the Army for those two years. He did also play for Geelong 1940-41. Interesting career, for sure!: http://demonwiki.org/Len+Toyne

Began his career at Geelong in 1940, but when they were forced into recess by World War II travel restrictions he moved to Fitzroy for 1942. Toyne missed the next two seasons serving in the AIF but returned to his original club in 1945 and finished third in their best and fairest.

Toyne was then cleared to VFA club Sandringham and appointed their Captain-Coach. He delivered a premiership in his first season, and another Grand Final the next year. From then, though, things turned sour and he resigned after Round 5 1949 citing victimisation from association umpires and claiming that on two occasions he'd been attacked by fans - once when a Port Melbourne supporter threatening him with a bottle. He had already attempted to win a clearance back to Geelong at the end of 1948, citing dissatisfaction with the administration of the Association.

He signed with the Demons immediately and played out the season with them before moving to SANFL club Sturt as Captain-Coach for two years from 1950 to 1951. He had been transferred to Adelaide as part of his employment.

Toyne finished his career as captain/coach of Launceston during the 1954 Northern Tasmanian season.
 
35Daicos said:
In the Army for those two years. He did also play for Geelong 1940-41. Interesting career, for sure!: http://demonwiki.org/Len+Toyne

Began his career at Geelong in 1940, but when they were forced into recess by World War II travel restrictions he moved to Fitzroy for 1942. Toyne missed the next two seasons serving in the AIF but returned to his original club in 1945 and finished third in their best and fairest.

Toyne was then cleared to VFA club Sandringham and appointed their Captain-Coach. He delivered a premiership in his first season, and another Grand Final the next year. From then, though, things turned sour and he resigned after Round 5 1949 citing victimisation from association umpires and claiming that on two occasions he'd been attacked by fans - once when a Port Melbourne supporter threatening him with a bottle. He had already attempted to win a clearance back to Geelong at the end of 1948, citing dissatisfaction with the administration of the Association.

He signed with the Demons immediately and played out the season with them before moving to SANFL club Sturt as Captain-Coach for two years from 1950 to 1951. He had been transferred to Adelaide as part of his employment.

Toyne finished his career as captain/coach of Launceston during the 1954 Northern Tasmanian season.
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Yeah, I imagine there would have been quite a few with an interrupted career in that era
 

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On May 1, 1915, Percy Ellingsen aged just 19y 287d, played for Geelong, already his 3rd VFL club. And he didn't play at all in 1914!
 
Just read a stat in a new book 'footballistics' that surprised me a little :

players who convert worse in 'crunch time' than at all other times, 2008-2017 : gunston was at the top with a difference of -24.7%, closely followed by bruest on -24.0%.
 
The last batch of 17yo debutants:

2008 - 17y 362d - Brad Ebert
2005 - 17y 343d - Brett Deledio
2004 - 17y 342d - Andrew Walker
2004 - 17y 332d - Brent Stanton
2003 - 17y 336d - Brendon Goddard
2003 - 17y 282d - Byron Schammer
2003 - 17y 281d - Steven Salopek
2002 - 17y 338d - Matt Maguire
2002 - 17y 316d - Luke Hodge
2002 - 17y 302d - Mark McGough
2002 - 17y 312d - Joel Reynolds
2002 - 17y 288d - Graham Polak
2002 - 17y 320d - Gary Ablett
2001 - 17y 343d - Jordan McMahon
2001 - 17y 320d - Daniel Kerr
2000 - 17y 365d - Brent Guerra
 
The last batch of 16yo debutants:

1996 - 16y 268d - David Wirrpanda
1992 - 16y 210d - John Georgiou
1988 - 16y 351d - Robert Harvey
1987 - 16y 352d - Terry Keays
1987 - 16y 157d - Ron James
1983 - 16y 054d - Rod Owen
1982 - 16y 325d - Gary Pert
1978 - 16y 339d - Des O'Dwyer
1978 - 16y 211d - Brian Wilson
1976 - 16y 200d - Jim Buckley
1976 - 16y 338d - Mark Greene
1974 - 16y 195d - Simon Madden
1974 - 16y 311d - Russell Greene
1973 - 16y 262d - Rene Kink
1973 - 16y 320d - Stephen Clifford
1972 - 16y 323d - Alan Stoneham
1972 - 16y 225d - Arnold Briedis
1971 - 16y 285d - Robert Hay
1971 - 16y 316d - Bill Beckwith
 
The entire batch of 15yo debutants (with their age at R1 if they had started the season, and their career games total):

1977 - 15y 305d - Tim Watson (15y 263d at R1; 307 career games)
1953 - 15y 287d - Keith Bromage (15y 161d; 69 games)
1945 - 15y 349d - Len Fitzgerald (15y 349d; 96 games)
1925 - 15y 297d - Albert Collier (15y 297d; 217 games)
1910 - 15y 328d - Mick Maguire (15y 328d; 67 games)
1909 - 15y 341d - Wels Eicke (15y 216d; 218 games)
1900 - 15y 209d - Claude Clough (15y 209d; 23 games)

This 7 players played an average of 142 games between them.
 
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The entire batch of 15yo debutants (with their age at R1 if they had started the season, and their career games total):

1977 - 15y 305d - Tim Watson (15y 263d at R1; 307 career games)
1953 - 15y 287d - Keith Bromage (15y 161d; 69 games)
1945 - 15y 349d - Len Fitzgerald (15y 349d; 96 games)
1925 - 15y 297d - Albert Collier (15y 297d; 217 games)
1910 - 15y 328d - Mick Maguire (15y 328d; 67 games)
1909 - 15y 341d - Wels Eicke (15y 216d; 218 games)
1900 - 15y 209d - Claude Clough (15y 209d; 23 games)

This 7 players played an average of 142 games between them.
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Typo on Collier.

Love the Claude Clough story. Always cool when discoveries/corrections go 'mainstream'.
 
Gibbsy said:
Typo on Collier.

Love the Claude Clough story. Always cool when discoveries/corrections go 'mainstream'.
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Just on Claude Clough, Wikipedia has his DoD as 22 February 1922 (aged 37). Both The Age and The Argus have 23rd February, and AustralianFootball.com has that as well, so it seems likely that Wikipedia has an error that should be corrected.

Clough obviously started his football career at a very young age, but his life was over at a rather young age as well. It would be interesting to know what the cause of his early demise was.
 
6yearsold said:
Just read a stat in a new book 'footballistics' that surprised me a little :

players who convert worse in 'crunch time' than at all other times, 2008-2017 : gunston was at the top with a difference of -24.7%, closely followed by bruest on -24.0%.
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Breust doesn't surprise me, as a Hawk supporter I can recall several late game misses (2013 PF esp) but other than once in the 2012 GF, I can't recall Gunston taking any late game shots in close games. What definition do they give for 'crunch time'?
 
stemline said:
Breust doesn't surprise me, as a Hawk supporter I can recall several late game misses (2013 PF esp) but other than once in the 2012 GF, I can't recall Gunston taking any late game shots in close games. What definition do they give for 'crunch time'?
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team is behind in the last quarter.
 
Richmond's effort in winning the 2017 premiership despite missing the finals the previous year was the 26th such instance.

Adelaide 1997
Carlton 1914, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1972
Collingwood 1958
Essendon 1946, 1962, 1993
Fitzroy 1898, 1913, 1922
Geelong 1925, 1937, 2007
Hawthorn 1961, 1971
Melbourne 1900, 1939, 1948
Richmond 1967, 1969, 1980, 2017
South Melbourne 1909
 
Swans losses at the SCG since 2000:
5 - 2002, 2001
4 - 2017, 2011, 2006, 2018 (to R18)
3 - 2009
2 - 2016, 2015, 2012, 2008, 2005, 2003
1 - 2014, 2013, 2010, 2007, 2004

Remaining H&A SCG games: CO, HA
 
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