Bluemour Discussion Thread XIV - Facts Not Welcome

[Wickzki]

Messaged one of my GC contacts.

On Jack Martin to Carlton: "It would take massive overs. We wouldn't accept Essendon's pick 9 and any of the players they offered. He hasn't given us any signs that he wants out. It was Essendon thinking they could raid us. **** Essendon."

On Gold Coast wanting Sam Walsh: "Best player in the draft by a country mile. That's saying something given how good the top end is this year. A sure thing. A genuine gun midfielder out of the gate. Carlton know this. It would take overs your way to make it happen. Worth it though. Unless Carlton have trades for ready made guns entering their prime in mind I don't see why you trade Walsh."

On rumored trade: "Very early days. Question is what is Carlton's end game more than what is ours. Who have they lined up with those selections? Wingard and 10/11? The Crouch brothers and 13/16? I suspect that if you trade pick 1 and your next year's first that you'll have 2 or 3 ready made A-graders and first round draft picks ending up on your list."

 

[Gavstar]

So we got slightly bent over, which is what I said?

Basically it was the finalisation of the deal proposed by SOS for Bryce Gibbs 2 years ago. McGovern + First pick for Gibbs. With Adelaide and Carlton paying a cut to Sydney to facilitate the transaction. Took a couple of years for SOS to complete the transaction but he did.

 

[WeninRome]

https://www.3aw.com.au/the-deal-port-adelaide-are-working-on-behind-the-scenes/

Interesting times ahead....

If you’re Port, You’d wanna hope that Jack Lukosius is bit better than Jack Gunston.

 

[serenityNow]

There's no way we trade pick 1 unless we have a deal lined up with the SA clubs already... Perhaps that's why we let the Crows bend us over a little bit in the Governator trade..

 

[WeninRome]

Slightly

 

[dlb99]

Is

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-07/obsessed-mid-smith-rockets-into-top10-calculations

I don't see any endurance numbers against Sam Walsh in that article.

 

[footyfan1978]

Probably? Or is?

Is he?

Nobody knows. All we can do is project forward whom is the better player long term. The general rankings clubs have collectively in November plays out on draft night. Eight months later or six months earlier can be different and 6 years later different again. Fifteen years on is only time it is clear cut. You can only work in the present.

 

[ESKIE]

Walsh please.

 

[dlb99]

Messaged one of my GC contacts.

On Jack Martin to Carlton: "It would take massive overs. We wouldn't accept Essendon's pick 9 and any of the players they offered. He hasn't given us any signs that he wants out. It was Essendon thinking they could raid us. **** Essendon."

On Gold Coast wanting Sam Walsh: "Best player in the draft by a country mile. That's saying something given how good the top end is this year. A sure thing. A genuine gun midfielder out of the gate. Carlton know this. It would take overs your way to make it happen. Worth it though. Unless Carlton have trades for ready made guns entering their prime in mind I don't see why you trade Walsh."

On rumored trade: "Very early days. Question is what is Carlton's end game more than what is ours. Who have they lined up with those selections? Wingard and 10/11? The Crouch brothers and 13/16? I suspect that if you trade pick 1 and your next year's first that you'll have 2 or 3 ready made A-graders and first round draft picks ending up on your list."

If Sam Walsh is the best by a country mile then I have an idea, why don't we draft him?

Easy-peasy.

 

[Matty411]

Probably? Or is?

Is he?

By all accounts, Smith has more speed and is as good if not better an endurance runner, with the added bonus of honing his craft as a running defender pre-2018. Including intangibles and the season of 2018 as a whole, Walsh is the better prospect though - a position widely regarded by recruiters.

 

[jj1978]

Gold Coast is rebuilding and in so will give up two young guns for one? Not buying it... and if true then Walsh must be soooo damn good that we’d be just as crazy being involved in a trade for 1


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[WeninRome]

History has proven that there’s a lot of luck and unknowns in the draft. Suggesting that anyone is a bullet proof selection or a “sure thing” is a bit silly IMO. If you can get value by trading, let it be pick 1, then you do it.

 

[Zlatan]

If you're the Crows or Port, you play a VERY risk game if you trade for pick #2 - what happens if the other club then trades for pick #1?

 

[bendigoblues]

crazy idea, keep pick one. get the best player as rates by everyone.

its boring i know, i was going to suggest another crazy trade scenario (maybe later when im bored), but geez some people would trade out for some terrible offers on here.

 

[footyfan1978]

Yesterday late arvo when I last checked you lot were pathetic with no new rumours and sappy attitude. I said ****ing lift, well FFS, you lot lifted. Kudos to you lot for getting back up off the ground. You going on with this morning at a rate of knots. Keep it up and never fall as low as you did in previous 24 hours ever again.

 

[ShanDog]

History has proven that there’s a lot of luck and unknowns in the draft. Suggesting that anyone is a bullet proof selection or a “sure thing” is a bit silly IMO. If you can get value by trading, let it be pick 1, then you do it.

Especially in our position when it's not an 18 year old that is our primary need.

 

[dlb99]

So we got slightly bent over, which is what I said?

No, we were not bent over slightly.

We paid slightly above value due to McG contract, similar to the Gibbs deal.

 

[chunkylover53]

Only way I’d do something like that is if we could get Kelly.

Have Essendon sit on their hands playing games with GWS for the week, we trade 1 for picks 2 and 3, trade picks 2 and 3 for Kelly + something else, GWS can now afford to keep Shiel and hold him to his contract. We get Kelly and stop Essendon from getting from Shiel

 

[Arr0w]

I don't see any endurance numbers against Sam Walsh in that article.

True, nor did Smith participate in the testing at the combine, but is an endurance junkie

 

[footyfan1978]

Unless we use 8 to bring Sheil in with Setterfield, lol. That would be a curve ball.

Unfortunately his manager has already nominated a deal done with Essendon is the path they on. Would be funny if GWS, said, hey hold the paperwork, we re-considering...lol

 

[Zlatan]

crazy idea, keep pick one. get the best player as rates by everyone.

its boring i know, i was going to suggest another crazy trade scenario (maybe later when im bored), but geez some people would trade out for some terrible offers on here.

If there is a possibility to trade down to #2 or #3 and get something on top (pick/player) while still getting our main target, wouldn't you do it?

I do agree that some are throwing away our first rounders in 2018 and 2019 very recklessly in some of these scenarios though.

 

[dlb99]

Only way I’d do something like that is if we could get Kelly.

Have Essendon sit on their hands playing games with GWS for the week, we trade 1 for picks 2 and 3, trade picks 2 and 3 for Kelly + something else, GWS can now afford to keep Shiel and hold him to his contract. We get Kelly and stop Essendon from getting from Shiel

You are an evil person.
It takes an sick mind to concoct a scheme more devilish than this.
Well done good sir, I tip my hat.

 

[Smokey_22]

True, nor did Smith participate in the testing at the combine, but is an endurance junkie

Walsh was ahead of him in the AFL academy testing.

 

[thylacine60]

If Sam Walsh is the best by a country mile then I have an idea, why don't we draft him?

Easy-peasy.

struggling to fault this

 

[WeninRome]

No, we were not bent over slightly.

We paid slightly above value due to McG contract, similar to the Gibbs deal.

Fair enough.