Bluemour Discussion Thread XIV - Facts Not Welcome

[B if i Know]

Think the AFL wouldn't be too happy with that comment... especially with GCS current predicament... they've got enough players

Think the AFL wouldn't be too happy with that comment... especially with GCS current predicament... they've got enough players wanting to jump ship and go home and to hear that other clubs list managers openly being frank about it wouldn't sit well with them. Even SOS made a joke about hoping a few of the Vic boys get traded interstate so he could have a crack at bringing them home in a few years time.

Will Setterfield....

 

[Brezsa]

If you're GC, you take both Lukosius and Rankine at pick #2 and #3. Retention issues are always going to be a thing with the interstate teams and the minute you back down, players are going to repeat this same type of behaviour once they see you're weak.

I agree with this, if they are going to stop talking the best available at picks 2 & 3 over go home factor, they are going to have a lot of picks in the 1-4 range over the next 2 decades. Perfect chance to get two from the same state together as well.

If this is truly their thinking, it’s time they take their bat and ball and go home

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Can I just ask why the Suns wold give us pick 2 for our 2019 first rounder plus Casboult when they could just trade direct with either Adelaide club and get multiple 2018 first round picks?

They have got the 3 State League players (if you include Collins) and will get another 6-8 players in the top 30 or so in the draft.

If pairing Lukosius and either Rankine or Rozee, or pairing the Kings doesn’t work where Gold Coast still thinks they’ll go home at the first opportunity, then it makes sense for Gold Coast to have a high couple of picks next year.

 

[Faz 2000]

Sorry, but what a load of crap.

These players have a contract with the club. The club & player can choose to be traded or not.
Both parties have to agree.

Could you imagine having a contract with your employer and then have them trade you to the other side of the country, taking your kids out of school, your other half job interest irrelevant, your other interests totally irrelevant, all without you having a say>?

In professional sports? Yes. Indeed, it's how it works in many professional sports leagues. You sign the contract, you're guaranteed your money, but that contract CAN be traded.

The stuff that's going on now is crap:

Eg. Tim Kelly "desperate" to go home to WA.... but only to West Coast. Booo, if he said "Geelong, if you could arrange a trade with either WA club I would greatly appreciate that" it would be different.
Eg. Dayne Beams "desperate" to come home to Melbourne... but only to Collingwood. Not only is it the second time he's played the family reasons card (in opposite directions, no less), there's a bunch of clubs within walking distance of the Pies that would satisfy the supposedly dire need to be back in Melbourne, but does he want them? Nooooo.
Eg. Tom Scully being open to being a salary-dump trade... but only to the Hawks. Come off it!

All these guys have contracts to the end of 2019 at least. It seems it's all out of whack to me.

 

[Metalcrusher]

The question I really want answered is why, from accounts of ITK posters here … we have a poor relationship with GWS?? What has happened?

 

[Opine]

If we get #2 - F the SA teams - take Lukosius.

Yes please; then get AR to put some muscle on him, get him purring, then put him up for trade at end of 2019. Asking price for Crows = 3 x first rounders, that would make for another interesting trade period in here.

 

[IronMan29]

and he nominates us... any chance Adrian's kids want to only be drafted to a Perth based club ?

They then take their chances at being drafted by one of 18 clubs.

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[Bluey24]

If you're GC, you take both Lukosius and Rankine at pick #2 and #3. Retention issues are always going to be a thing with the interstate teams and the minute you back down, players are going to repeat this same type of behaviour once they see you're weak.

Agreed, but I'd take both of the King lads if I was GCS

Just seems a better bet re. retention

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Thinking the same thing Surrey.
High draft picks can cost you more just for the fact they were high draft picks.

We have to get more bang for buck from lower picks and rookies.

While we've got plenty of high draft picks suddenly, it's not quite the GWS situation where they had more high picks PLUS a bunch of mature agers on serious contracts.

 

[TerryWallet]

Yeah you'd think Levi is gone... SOS on trade radio again this morning mentioning Mitch, Curnow, Harry as a good potent flexible forward line and no mentions at all of Cas (even in previous interviews other than speculation on trading Cas).

Got to feel for Cas, starts his career hand-cuffed... then almost gets delisted and then by decimation to our ruck stocks gets a game against the Bulldogs as a ruck (which we win) and gets a handful of games and proves himself worthy of a new contract... plays in seriously some of the worst Carlton sides in our history and battles hard... dealing with demons in his head over his goal kicking. Regardless of what happens to Cas we should all appreciate he tried as best he could.

Will never forget that early game he had against * where he kicked some beauties!

Levi should be eternally grateful that he landed at as poor a club as Carlton were.

He has consequently had an 8 year, 100 game career when he had zero chance of playing 1 game for any other AFL club.

I've got nothing against Levi personally, but any sympathies going his way are very misplaced.

He has been a very very lucky boy.

 

[Lockatronicus]

What about next years first to GCS for pick 2.
Take Walsh and Luko in the draft and if any of the Adelaide teams come knocking in 2 years, play hard ball or just keep him.
If we can have Charlie running around the park doing whatever the hell he wants while Luko, and the Big Macs dominate the forwards with SPS and Fasolo, while Walsh, Cripps, Dow, Fish and Setts play in the middle, sounds like a winning combination to me. It would be good to get a mature midfielder but we already have an awesome up and coming team. A few years and were gonna be the blues of old again/

 

[Mondyboy]

Its going to be a fascinating and frustrating three days. It’s likely to be anti-climatic. I hope some of you guys are prepared for that.


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[TheRedPill]

The reason we need to be involved is because Gold Coast don’t want quantity, they want quality. They have enough young players that they don’t need to give up pick 2 (potential star) for 2-3 later first-round picks (lower ceiling)... they desperately need players who can turn them around. Whereas Adelaide would love one of the top SA boys, and we would benefit from the opportunity to add depth to a top-heavy talent profile.

Our future 1st is the obvious available asset to enable them to trade out of this year’s top 3 but still have (probable) access to top 3 talent.

 

[Opine]

Don't wish for that just because the media has got up your nose... Beams, Sidebottom, DeGoey, Treloar, Pendlebury, Adams... would rather finish below the ladder than Brisbane than see the filth get number 16.

Damn; you right
Ok them keep him.

 

[JustaBattler]

If you're GC, you take both Lukosius and Rankine at pick #2 and #3. Retention issues are always going to be a thing with the interstate teams and the minute you back down, players are going to repeat this same type of behaviour once they see you're weak.

Can't see Carlton giving up next year's first unless we get a gun mid from someone as part of deal - even then tough to be left out of next year's trade period with no currency. Adelaide and Port are in a situation where they want to keep their best players and trade what exactly for picks they are desperate to have this year? Makes no sense.

 

[Sheephead]

If you're GC, you take both Lukosius and Rankine at pick #2 and #3. Retention issues are always going to be a thing with the interstate teams and the minute you back down, players are going to repeat this same type of behaviour once they see you're weak.

I know the COLA in Sydney shat everyone off, but until GCS become viable I think any top draft picks they get should be signed to 5 year deals at extra coin to assist the ‘stay here’ factor.

Cripps should be held to account for those public comments. How do the QLD teams have any chance.

Having said all that, I think the GCS experiment is a bust and they should give up and try a team in Tasmania. Would surely beat the issues GCS are having. Maybe move North and give them the pick of GCS players - that would make an immediate impact. Give BRI a look at their next tier or the QLD players.

 

[HARKER]

Port list manager Jason Cripps "If Lukosius and Rankine end up going to Gold Coast, we're probably pretty happy to try to get them back in a few years' time," Cripps said.

"It's interesting, because then it just becomes a two-horse race between us and the Crows, as opposed to a Victorian kid that wants to come back home, who has potentially got 10 options. That's part of the discussion and strategy, but right at the minute, we're really comfortable with pick six."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-15/port-warns-suns-against-drafting-sa-stars

Wow, that sounds just straight up hostile regardless of how truthful he thinks he's being.

That's really poor, stupid, arrogant and somewhat presumptuous.

What a thing to bleat to the press? Fool...

 

[Blue Pulse]

I’d love him to go back to the Dees as a feel good story.

Left a pretty bad taste in the mouths of the D supporters when he left, not sure he would be welcomed back with open arms

 

[Crippa#9]

Also, can we put a lid on the Crouch from Adelaide, Wines from Port etc...why even bother asking? Player has to want to come and neither side is wanting to unravel their existing list for unproved youngsters no matter how South Australian the kids in the draft are.

There's no way either will be involved...we're better off bending them over for picks

"why even bother asking?" Ahhh maybe because it's trade week and we (potentially) have something that both Adelaide clubs are absolutely desperate for; Lukosious or Rankine (via pick #2). Don't underestimate how keen they are on both these boys & both clubs have multiple picks within the first round. Nothing is inconceivable.

 

[Nori]

I don't know. That sounds ever so unlikely to me.
GC would be crazy to let go the pick #2 in that situation. Why not just deal with Port or Adelaide?
Why would GC worry about player retention this year and not the next?

The only possible reason for the Suns to trade for our 2019 1st is that they already have a truck load of picks in 2018 and will most likely end up with more.

It would make sense for them to use some of this currency to strengthen their 2019 picks.

 

[Soapy V]

Good luck getting a Kelly like player next year with out a 1st round draft pick.

There are always ways to get deals done and get picks.

 

[Matty411]

Agreed, but I'd take both of the King lads if I was GCS

Just seems a better bet re. retention

In which case, they'd be smart to try and use their multiple assets to work it so that on draft night they can grab both somehow - perhaps by maneuvering to Picks 4 and 6 - around the range both end up in my opinion.

 

[Soapy V]

Also, can we put a lid on the Crouch from Adelaide, Wines from Port etc...why even bother asking? Player has to want to come and neither side is wanting to unravel their existing list for unproved youngsters no matter how South Australian the kids in the draft are.

There's no way either will be involved...we're better off bending them over for picks

Never write anything off in trade week and some of us like the discussion around possible options. 99% of what is discussed doesn't happen. Doesn't make it wrong

 

[I bleed Blue]

Interesting.

Would love for SOS to pull that off. Would be massive if we could add both Walsh and Smith this year.

It will then be all about team cohesion and just letting them all play together.

How would this work-

Carlton- 2019 first and Casboult
Gc - pick 2

Carlton- pick 2, 2019 3rd round pick
Adelaide - pick 8, pick 16, 2019 2nd round

Net out- 2019 first and third, casboult
In- pick 8, pick 16, 2019 2nd round

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Well hasnt this been the same thing with GWS really.... GWS got all the top players when they joined the afl and all victorian clubs said let them go we will come in the future and get them back to Vvictoria. Some would say we are big colprates of that with the amount of ex gws players in our side


Port are only just doing what us victorian clubs have done till now

Doing it and publically stating or warning another club about recruiting them in the first place is a bit different.

Which Victorian clubs have said what Port has publically in the past ??