Transgender

[ShanDog]

Please be aware that the tolerance of anti-trans language on BF is at an all-time low. Jokes and insults that are trans-related, as well as anti-trans and bigoted rhetoric will be met with infractions, threadbans etc as required. It's a sensitive (and important) topic, so behave like well-mannered adults when discussing it, PARTICULARLY when disagreeing. This equally applies across the whole site.

 

[Downhill Skier]

Feel free to educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

I am not going to read it because I am assuming you are using LGBTI rights /Laws that are enacted upon in Islamic Countries in the Middle East , Africa and South East Asia .

If that is the standard for what’s classed as oppressed in the Western world then everyone is oppressed .

As a white middle aged catholic even I can consider myself oppressed with this standard as I am not even allowed to practise my religion in some of these countries.

Please tell me how these disgusting injustices reflect what’s going on in the West .

If people were truly for LGBTI rights and Woman’s rights Islam would be the first target but instead it is the Catholic Church (Rightly So) or the Male patrichachy or conservatives that have different beliefs.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

FFS don't start mentioning cosmetics or you will end up getting thread banned.

The puritanical left have no time for sexuality. All women are the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary.

WAT?! I'm the most craven pornographic so-and-so I know!!!

 

[Downhill Skier]

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That's just someone who doesnt identify as 'feminine' or 'masculine' or goes through periods where they identify as one or the other.

I've yet to hear of a case where a person wakes up each day deciding to identify as a different gender.

Im sure it exists somewhere in the world, but it would be rare indeed.

In any event, if they're sincere then I would give them the respect they deserve and follow what they want to be identified as. It's no different to someone who legally changes their name each day. I'd call them whatever they wanted to be called.

Why wouldnt you?

There was a story I seen a couple of weeks ago that a gender fluid person (unsure if Male ) identified as a woman only in times of either High Stress or when they were emotional.

It sounds like Sexism to me

 

[Malifice]

Because anyone who has a number of aliases is 100% a crook.

Ironic coming from you.

 

[its free real estate]

Ironic coming from you.

Talking about real life, buddy, not fun and games on the information superhighway.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

And in these cultures, is there a distinction between how men and women display their attractiveness?

Yeah but attractiveness and the state of attraction varies amongst individuals even before cultural norms are considered. At least in more permissive societies. I reckon this girl is damn cute

and yeah, I dig the piercings.

Not everyone, even from within my own 'Celtic-Anglo' Western European culture would find her attractive. Many might actually be turned off.

 

[Malifice]

WAT?! I'm the most craven pornographic so-and-so I know!!!

You have stiff competition from me.

Double meaning not intended, but hillarious nonetheless.

 

[Malifice]

Talking about real life, buddy, not fun and games on the information superhighway.

This isnt real life?

I ******* knew I should have taken the red pill.

 

[its free real estate]

Yeah but attractiveness and the state of attraction varies amongst individuals even before cultural norms are considered. At least in more permissive societies. I reckon this girl is damn cute

and yeah, I dig the piercings.

Not everyone, even from within my own 'Celtic-Anglo' Western European culture would find her attractive. Many might actually be turned off.

How do you know she’s a she? That’s the key question. If she’s signalling her femininity in some way then that’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter what that way is.

 

[Downhill Skier]

This isnt real life?

I ******* knew I should have taken the red pill.

The feminist movement are going to disown you for that mate

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

How do you know she’s a she? That’s the key question. If she’s signalling her femininity in some way then that’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter what that way is.

Okay. I find this person attractive. It's in the eyes, the way the piercings are flaunted in a 'literally in your face' way. It could well be male, or transgender. All the same, I find it attractive. I would buy its owner a beer or three and see what kind of chemistry goes down.

 

[its free real estate]

Okay. I find this person attractive. It's in the eyes, the way the piercings are flaunted in a 'literally in your face' way. It could well be male, or transgender. All the same, I find it attractive. I would buy its owner a beer or three and see what kind of chemistry goes down.

I don’t think that person is male, do you?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I don’t think that person is male, do you?

No I don't. But I can't be sure either. I'd have to meet the face. Talk to the face.

 

[its free real estate]

No I don't. But I can't be sure either. I'd have to meet the face. Talk to the face.

If the person had a more stereotypically male face would you think she could get away with being pierced like that and still be seen as attractive, or would she need to enhance her femininity further?

 

[Malifice]

What is this bullshit? How is something universally agreed on across all cultures socially constructed?

Human beings socially agree on the existence and location of borders for Gods sake. Those borders dont objectively exist (and neither do the nations behind them); they're social contructs. They only exist because we socially (as a society of Homo Sapiens) say they exist. There is no magical invisible wall or actual dotted line between Canada and the USA that exists outside of human social agreement it's there. We just universally socially agree that one 'nation' ends there and another one begins, and then we socially agree on what those nations are, and what qualities they have to set them apart from each other.

Those social constructs have no meaning to (say) a bird that flies over that border. If human society didnt exist, neither would nations.

You seem to have this weird inability to tell a social construct (like religion, money, currency, ethnicity, nationality, culture, gender, sport, political positions, legal codes, forms of government etc) apart from objective things like 'atoms' or 'the Sun' or 'thermodynamics'.

Take money or currency for example. It's a social construct because we agree that a bit of paper with a persons face on it has a fixed value. That value is a social construct (the value doesnt exist outside of social agreement as to what that value is). The paper it's printed on however is objectively real*.

Can you see the difference yet?

(*Solipsists, Cartesian dualists and Neo might disagree with that last point however).

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

If the person had a more stereotypically male face would you think she could get away with being pierced like that and still be seen as attractive, or would she need to enhance her femininity further?

Now this is just my take as an individual, but she wouldn't have to enhance her femininity further to score with me. You might not be attracted to her at all. Neither might Mal. 'Attractiveness' is such an eye-of-the-beholder thing. We might be influenced by societal trends or moralities, but not always.

 

[its free real estate]

Human beings socially agree on the existence and location of borders for Gods sake. Those borders dont objectively exist (and neither do the nations behind them); they're social contructs. They only exist because we socially (as a society of Homo Sapiens) say they exist. There is no magical invisible wall or actual dotted line between Canada and the USA. We just universally socially agree that one 'nation' ends there and another one begins, and then we socially agree on what those nations are, and what qualities they have to set them apart from each other.

Those social constructs have no meaning to (say) a bird that flies over that border. If human society didnt exist, neither would nations.

You seem to have this weird inability to tell a social construct (like religion, money, currency, ethnicity, nationality, culture, gender, sport, political positions, legal codes, forms of government etc) apart from objective things like 'atoms' or 'the Sun' or 'thermodynamics'.

Take money or currency for example. It's a social construct because we agree that a bit of paper with a persons face on it has a fixed value. That value is a social construct (the value doesnt exist outside of social agreement as to what that value is). The paper it's printed on however is objectively real.

Can you see the difference yet?

I can see the difference, and none of this sophistry applies to the differences between men and women and how they are expressed across cultures. None of it.

 

[its free real estate]

Now this is just my take as an individual, but she wouldn't have to enhance her femininity further to score with me. You might not be attracted to her at all. Neither might Mal. 'Attractiveness' is such an eye-of-the-beholder thing. We might be influenced by societal trends, but not always.

The girl in question is between the ages of 20-25, which is essentially peak attractiveness for women according to every survey of heterosexual men. She's not ugly, even if piercings aren't your thing. Put the piercings on a much less attractive, 40 year old woman. Not the same, is it?

 

[Malifice]

I can see the difference, and none of this sophistry applies to the differences between men and women and how they are expressed across cultures. None of it.

Says you. In opposition to the rest of the world, who agree 'gender' roles and concepts like 'femininity' are socially constructed.

A position which is self evidently true.

 

[its free real estate]

Says you. In opposition to the rest of the world, who agree 'gender' roles and concepts like 'femininity' are socially constructed.

A position which is self evidently true.

Not the rest of the world, a sliver of gender studies twits who have laid brain worms into the credulous and overly agreeable.

 

[Malifice]

The girl in question is between the ages of 20-25, which is essentially peak attractiveness for women according to every survey of heterosexual men. She's not ugly, even if piercings aren't your thing. Put the piercings on a much less attractive, 40 year old woman. Not the same, is it?

Depends on what the person finds attractive doesnt it?

Some people loathe piercings full stop. Some people prefer older women to younger women. Some people prefer dudes, so the answer is 'does not compute'.

 

[its free real estate]

Depends on what the person finds attractive doesnt it?

Some people loathe piercings full stop. Some people prefer older women to younger women. Some people prefer dudes, so the answer is 'does not compute'.

Tracksuit pants and ugg boots are a bad look unless you're a model. Then all bets are off.

If you aren't a model, then you better get accentuating.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The girl in question is between the ages of 20-25, which is essentially peak attractiveness for women according to every survey of heterosexual men. She's not ugly, even if piercings aren't your thing. Put the piercings on a much less attractive, 40 year old woman. Not the same, is it?

I'd have to see. I mean, even doing an image search for 'androgynous faces' turns up a load of people I find attractive in their own right

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=androgynous+face&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

Your reactions might vary.

 

[Malifice]

Not the rest of the world, a sliver of gender studies twits who have laid brain worms into the credulous and overly agreeable.

It's self evidently true:

Gender, typically described in terms of masculinity and femininity, is a social construction that varies across different cultures and over time. (6) There are a number of cultures, for example, in which greater gender diversity exists and sex and gender are not always neatly divided along binary lines such as male and female or homosexual and heterosexual. The Berdache in North America, the fa’afafine (Samoan for “the way of a woman”) in the Pacific, and the kathoey in Thailand are all examples of different gender categories that differ from the traditional Western division of people into males and females. Further, among certain North American native communities, gender is seen more in terms of a continuum than categories, with special acknowledgement of “two-spirited” people who encompass both masculine and feminine qualities and characteristics. It is apparent, then, that different cultures have taken different approaches to creating gender distinctions, with more or less recognition of fluidity and complexity of gender

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gender

But I guess, just like things like 'Climate change', and 'Racialism' it's just a small bunch of incredulous white supremacists, sexists and global energy tycoons fighting a brave rearguard action against a Leftist conspiracy that has somehow managed to get global scientific consensus behind them.

Those brave neo-nazis, mysoginists and energy tycoons. Fighting the good fight despite the Leftists manipulating the world into agreeing with their postions via overwhelming scientific consenus.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Why has the trans issue taken over the populist right?

We should have an entire board on it.


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