Hawthorn’s 2019 Trade/FA - Targets/Incoming players discussion only

[HODGEYROAD]

If we can get the knees right (very possible given our history of managing injuries) and his confidence up - Patton is a 25 year old 198cm genuine key forward going for cheap. These type players aren’t easy to find..

He knows how to take a pack mark, great on the lead and at his best is unstoppable.. watch the hawks GWS game from a year or two ago- was down in Tassie and ended in a draw.. Patton kicked 5 and basically took the game from us - he looked a threat every time they went forward. I think we can get him to re capture that form..

Yes, he was dropped later on at GWS as they had surplus options with Himmelberg and Cameron playing well but I think he would be a great target especially if we get a low risk deal similar to the Scully situation.. we need to find a genuine key forward with Roughie looking on the way out and I think this is as a good an option as any atm..

I don't think ACL injuries have much to do with fitness staff.

 

[TylerDurden]

It’s possible that GWS are planning on matching Coniglio rather than letting him walk, so we pay up (likely a first and a future first) but get Cogs + Patton in the deal. I’m tentative about Patton but he does fill a pressing need

This is my read. But one first only.

 

[Brant]

I don't think ACL injuries have much to do with fitness staff.

Yeh, 105+kg dude with 3x ACL already...

I like Patton as a player & I even like the Patton + Cogs package idea, but we'd have to take him knowing what it is, not hoping to fix him.

 

[RoughysMullet]

I don't think ACL injuries have much to do with fitness staff.

Yes - but they can certainly put him on the right path with his current rehab and get him on a good program to strengthen the knees for the future and try to mitigate the risk of him doing another one going forward. I believe this club to be the best in the business at managing these injury situations..

Of course there will always be a risk of another ACL but as we’ve seen in the past - bold recruiting and risk taking from Clarko can pay massive dividends..

This is a risk we need to take as I don’t believe we can win another premiership without another marking tall forward - Roughy isn’t moving like he used to and this could most likely be his final season..
We won’t be able to draft one as we most likely won’t have the early picks and it will take too long to develop a draftee - there really aren’t many free agent KPF’s worth our time either.. we missed out on Lynch and this is the next best solution IMO

 

[Bugs1977]

Plenty of players get dropped, it doesn't mean they are done as players. He has kicked 38 and 45 goals the 2 previous seasons whilst also being a decent 2nd option ruck. He wouldn't be coming in to be a superstar but he could absolutely be a role player type that absolutely makes us a better team.

Exactly correct. He’d most certainly be on a incentive based contract that won’t be anything near what he has signed in the past. Let’s just wait and see where all this ends up shall we.

 

[COKEandCOLA]

I don’t think Patton is going to play full forward for hawthorn when roughy retires. He had already been dropped by gws before his 3rd acl. Can’t see him being better whe he returns. Gws could only play him as a second ruck who also played forward. How do you see Patton improving enough to be a full tome full forward given his injury history and exposed form?

So you will be playing full forward for us when Roughie retires then?

 

[HODGEYROAD]

For what it's worth my source hasn't got anything definitive on Cogs other than if he did come to Victoria we'd be the club he'd choose, seems like staying at the Giants is well in play for him though.

 

[PhatHQ]

The same person that told me Burto was on the block late last season and that Tom Lynch was not coming is also telling me we are not getting Cogs.

He is still saying once the Kelly deal gets sorted the word is he will stay a Giant.

Let’s wait and see again.

Greater Western Sydney's Jonathon Patton emerges as an early trade target
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-06/cashedup-hawks-linked-to-recovering-giants-forward-patton

Not all bad.
I’m a Patton fan & have been for a while; walk up start at FF when Rough retires who would be clunking or bringing to ground the balls Rough now runs under.
Paring with Lewis we have 2 genuine forwards that can ruck & BB who can hold his own full time rucking or forward. Yes Cegs misses out.

Cogs & Patton would be a pipedream but not impossible.

I’m still in the camp Cogs signs with the Giants & we will go to the draft for a couple of years rather than trade a first to get the midfield up & running.
We have the players in Tom, Jags, Scully, Wingard, Shiels, Worpel, Howe & the rotating forwards.

Hypothesising here sorry..
We got Scully cheep so we don’t make the offer to Cogs, not the other way.

2020 fwd set up

Wingard Gunston Breust
Walker Patton Lewis

Ridiculous marking power & scoring potential at a 6/6/6

 

[Brishawk]

So you will be playing full forward for us when Roughie retires then?

A witches hat will be just as good as Patton. I can probably top a witches hat....just

 

[TylerDurden]

Add Mitchell, Cogs and Patton to this 18. It’d be big.

 

[TallyHawk]

Yes - but they can certainly put him on the right path with his current rehab and get him on a good program to strengthen the knees for the future and try to mitigate the risk of him doing another one going forward. I believe this club to be the best in the business at managing these injury situations..

Of course there will always be a risk of another ACL but as we’ve seen in the past - bold recruiting and risk taking from Clarko can pay massive dividends..

This is a risk we need to take as I don’t believe we can win another premiership without another marking tall forward - Roughy isn’t moving like he used to and this could most likely be his final season..
We won’t be able to draft one as we most likely won’t have the early picks and it will take too long to develop a draftee - there really aren’t many free agent KPF’s worth our time either.. we missed out on Lynch and this is the next best solution IMO

I would consider Patton if we had a plan to strip some weight off him and play him out of the goal square.

At some stage we need to get games into Mitch Lewis like Melbourne are with Sam Weideman.

We may also be able to draft a KPF bargain, we have a local guy Zane Barzen that is very talented but hit by injury last year. He will play again for the Murray Bushrangers as an over age player and some VFL games. Similar to a Jack Gunston type of forward.


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[Hodgey09]

Re Patton are our medical staff bored and looking for a new challenge or something?

 

[lickmerocks]

Hawks are not interested in having players on 1.1-1.2m contracts.

I suspect we may be involved in a trade situation again for a player around the 700-800 mark.

Build the list and keep all the players fairly paid is the way we normally operate.

 

[TylerDurden]

We’ve literally got no midfield. If Cogs wants us, we’ll pay him what he’s worth.

 

[WWSD]

I don’t want Patton. There, I said it.

I’d rather get Josh Bruce.

 

[PhatHQ]

We’ve literally got no midfield. If Cogs wants us, we’ll pay him what he’s worth.

No mids... come on TD it’s not that dire.
Easily start - Mitchell, Jags, Worps, Scully, Wingard
Second start - Howe, Shiels, Cousins
Potential - Morrison, Jones, Moore
Roll through - Breust, Impey, Smith
That’s a pretty reasonable amount of midfield depth if all easy starts are fit.
Take out Mitch & comebacks from Wingard & Scully & yes it looks shot.

Cogs big offer will be from GWS but I don’t doubt that there would be 800k tucked away just in case

 

[Brishawk]

We’ve literally got no midfield. If Cogs wants us, we’ll pay him what he’s worth.

I agree we will pay him but our biggest problem is we have injuries to first choice players (Mitchell, shiels, Howe, Burgoyne) and the depth players (Minchington, Jones) and Scully and wingard are only just coming back and not ready to Cary the load.

Couple that with the fact we don’t/can’t run impey, hardwick, Breust, Morrison, poppy, scrimshaw through there meaning we need our first strong to carry a big load.

It’s a composite of issues. One more star will help but we also need to get more out of what we have on the list.

 

[TylerDurden]

I agree we will pay him but our biggest problem is we have injuries to first choice players (Mitchell, shiels, Howe, Burgoyne) and the depth players (Minchington, Jones) and Scully and wingard are only just coming back and not ready to Cary the load.

Couple that with the fact we don’t/can’t run impey, hardwick, Breust, Morrison, poppy, scrimshaw through there meaning we need our first strong to carry a big load.

It’s a composite of issues. One more star will help but we also need to get more out of what we have on the list.

No doubt. But if you've got Coniglio staring you in the face, saying he wants to come to us (unconfirmed as yet), you do it. Plus he's a FA - costs you nothing but cap space. Which we have a truck load of. Especially when you factor in that Rough, Burgoyne and maybe Birchall (who's another calf away) will all retire.

 

[TylerDurden]

No mids... come on TD it’s not that dire.
Easily start - Mitchell, Jags, Worps, Scully, Wingard
Second start - Howe, Shiels, Cousins
Potential - Morrison, Jones, Moore
Roll through - Breust, Impey, Smith
That’s a pretty reasonable amount of midfield depth if all easy starts are fit.
Take out Mitch & comebacks from Wingard & Scully & yes it looks shot.

Cogs big offer will be from GWS but I don’t doubt that there would be 800k tucked away just in case

We've got injuries, but starting midfield tomorrow will be JOM, Worpel and Cousins. With 2 tenths of ferk all on rotation. The time to pounce is now.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Hawks are not interested in having players on 1.1-1.2m contracts.

I suspect we may be involved in a trade situation again for a player around the 700-800 mark.

Build the list and keep all the players fairly paid is the way we normally operate.

I don't think giving the amount we did for Wingard can be a regular thing if we want to build a premiership list.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Would 100% trade our first round pick for Patton if it involved Coniglio offer not being matched

 

[COKEandCOLA]

Would 100% trade our first round pick for Patton if it involved Coniglio offer not being matched

It would effectively give us an elite midfielder in Coniglio and also a KPF with injury issues for our medical team to tinker with in Patton.

I honestly don't see why others would have an issue with it.

 

[hawk65]

It would effectively give us an elite midfielder in Coniglio and also a KPF with injury issues for our medical team to tinker with in Patton.

I honestly don't see why others would have an issue with it.

I would imagine it's because there's no guarantee he'll get back to his pre knee injury form.

 

[COKEandCOLA]

I would imagine it's because there's no guarantee he'll get back to his pre knee injury form.

Agreed, but if it was the only way for us to ensure we obtained Coniglio would they still be against it?

 

[hawk65]

Agreed, but if it was the only way for us to ensure we obtained Coniglio would they still be against it?

I'm not against picking up Patten especially given his age. I'm not sure a 1st round pick would have to be the sweetener to get the deal over the line. And after today, the Giants showed they have a few young options to go forward.