Preview Rnd 6 - Carlton v Hawthorn Sunday April 28th 3.20PM @ UTAS - Team Post #1331

[Blue and Blue]

I don’t see Cuningham needing a stint in the VFL. He has been totally fine to run they were just waiting to get clearance for the kidney. He would not have lost any fitness so why does he need a VFL game. I have defended Polson but after the last two weeks he has had he needs to go back to te VFL and find the footy.

He was in the VFL two weeks ago as it happens. But I dont think he will hold it against you. Seeing as you defended him.

 

[AB_Blue]

Just saw Big Fev on the footy show and just started explaining to my young son who didnt see him play, the day the bastards at Hawthorn put three defenders on him when he was on 99 goals. Can’t forgive them for that....hope we smash’em for Fev!

Was there .....did run on the ground

Remember it like it was yesterday



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[thylacine60]

Just saw Big Fev on the footy show and just started explaining to my young son who didnt see him play, the day the bastards at Hawthorn put three defenders on him when he was on 99 goals. Can’t forgive them for that....hope we smash’em for Fev!

trending at a post a month - and making em good ones!

 

[Blues_1864]

So from the combined teams, can we infer the Simpson is in enough doubt that the Match Committee felt the need to name a like-for-like potential replacement (in Garlett), despite VFL form that sounds less than stellar? Having said that, I don't mind either way, we need to get used to life without Simpson in any case, and at the risk of speaking anti-Russell heresy, I think Marchbank for Garlett happened one week too early. A week in the VFL would have done Marchbank no harm. Didn't seem to hurt Kreuzer or Silvagni.

And so I hope Polson is retained, to give Cuningham the opportunity to combine his fitness and skill with some actual touch and confidence at the lower level. He is not yet so seasoned that it wouldn't do him good.

But also because Polson and Cuningham are not really very similar players (and no, not just because Cuningham is more likely to get the pill and kick a goal!). The stats don't really capture the contribution of fast small defensive forwards, but it's more than tackles, one-percenters, or even pressure acts. I read a good post associating Polson with "electrifying pace and crippling panic", but the thing is, some of that panic is induced in his opponent as he bears down, and it really matters. In the modern game, you must have defensive foot speed in your F50, and we don't have many that provide it (after Fisher, our next best is probably Thomas, which is a bit of an indictment on everyone else). It's a curious hole in our list (as others have noted), and until it's remediated, we'll be better when Polson plays, than when he doesn't.

Of course, I'd prefer his actual stats were better, and I'm not certain he'll ever be AFL standard with ball in hand. But with our 2019 list the way it is, I reckon he'll play a lot of AFL this year... in a very strong Carlton side, he might get pushed out by Fisher playing predominantly out of the F50. But not yet.

The actual game: I was bullish until I looked at the defensive matchups. Happy with Jones on Lewis and Weitering on Roughead, but looking at Breust-Wingard-Puopolo against Thomas-Plowman-Newman-Simpson/Garlett... well, we're going to have to do a lot better than break-even in the middle.

 

[choo]

You realise LOB is named as a starter, right? He's not getting dropped, nor should he.

No didn’t realize that. Too busy booing Pendlebury and dodging Shiel kicks

 

[Duigan Alley34]

The whole Harry plays ruck issue - does this mean we never play Charlie because Levi has to play ruck? Or we can’t have Charlie, Mitch and Harry in the same team? I’m just a little confused by the logic. The thing is with Krooz, Harry would spend less than 20% of the game playing ruck. No different than Cox and Grundy which seems to work fine for them.


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It's difficult because you don't want arguably your best forward playing in the ruck for spurts. But realistically long term the Harry, Charlie and Gov forward line probably can't exist if Harry doesn't take time in the ruck. We can't afford another tall down there so Charlie would probably have to play midfield which I believe is the wrong option full time.

 

[PrinceCharles]

It's difficult because you don't want arguably your best forward playing in the ruck for spurts. But realistically long term the Harry, Charlie and Gov forward line probably can't exist if Harry doesn't take time in the ruck. We can't afford another tall down there so Charlie would probably have to play midfield which I believe is the wrong option full time.

Exactly the reason we need to get Grigg back.

 

[Opine]

So from the combined teams, can we infer the Simpson is in enough doubt that the Match Committee felt the need to name a like-for-like potential replacement (in Garlett), despite VFL form that sounds less than stellar? Having said that, I don't mind either way, we need to get used to life without Simpson in any case, and at the risk of speaking anti-Russell heresy, I think Marchbank for Garlett happened one week too early. A week in the VFL would have done Marchbank no harm. Didn't seem to hurt Kreuzer or Silvagni.

And so I hope Polson is retained, to give Cuningham the opportunity to combine his fitness and skill with some actual touch and confidence at the lower level. He is not yet so seasoned that it wouldn't do him good.

But also because Polson and Cuningham are not really very similar players (and no, not just because Cuningham is more likely to get the pill and kick a goal!). The stats don't really capture the contribution of fast small defensive forwards, but it's more than tackles, one-percenters, or even pressure acts. I read a good post associating Polson with "electrifying pace and crippling panic", but the thing is, some of that panic is induced in his opponent as he bears down, and it really matters. In the modern game, you must have defensive foot speed in your F50, and we don't have many that provide it (after Fisher, our next best is probably Thomas, which is a bit of an indictment on everyone else). It's a curious hole in our list (as others have noted), and until it's remediated, we'll be better when Polson plays, than when he doesn't.

Of course, I'd prefer his actual stats were better, and I'm not certain he'll ever be AFL standard with ball in hand. But with our 2019 list the way it is, I reckon he'll play a lot of AFL this year... in a very strong Carlton side, he might get pushed out by Fisher playing predominantly out of the F50. But not yet.

The actual game: I was bullish until I looked at the defensive matchups. Happy with Jones on Lewis and Weitering on Roughead, but looking at Breust-Wingard-Puopolo against Thomas-Plowman-Newman-Simpson/Garlett... well, we're going to have to do a lot better than break-even in the middle.

I enjoyed reading your post, and found the concept of electrifying pace and crippling panic interesting: though am not convinced that, without more, it amounts to much when it comes to winning a game of footy.

I think that, at AFL level, electrifying pace and crippling panic are ancillary, or contributory, to those primary footy attributes measured by stats; kicks, tackles, handballs, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc..

 

[Drexl 31]

It wasn't too long ago we played Matthew Watson as our main go to forward. How things have changed.

 

[PrinceCharles]

It wasn't too long ago we played Matthew Watson as our main go to forward. How things have changed.

Let's not get big headed, we've only won one game.

 

[VainGlorious]

It wasn't too long ago we played Matthew Watson as our main go to forward. How things have changed.

Looks like it’s back to therapy for me. Im scarred

 

[Accidental genius]

If we win this week it will mean we have definitely turned the corner...and we probably should tally at least 4-6 wins this year...top 8 next year shouldn’t be an unrealistic target

 

[inyourcool]

These pricks are going to come organised and aggressively at our young players. Try to put them off their game. You wouldn’t except anything less from a team coached by the coward puncher. This is a good test for us. Can SPS, Harry & co back up. Can Dow take another step forward? Can our back half cope with their small-mid sized forwards?

Wingard, Puopolo & Breust are going to cause massive problems

I enjoyed last week but I didn’t get too ecstatic because I want to see how we back up. We can’t get satisfied with single wins and then fall away again

 

[ESKIE]

Sicily an McGovern I’d like to see

 

[Nori]

It's difficult because you don't want arguably your best forward playing in the ruck for spurts. But realistically long term the Harry, Charlie and Gov forward line probably can't exist if Harry doesn't take time in the ruck. We can't afford another tall down there so Charlie would probably have to play midfield which I believe is the wrong option full time.

So, the choice is play Charlie out of position or let Harry ruck for 5 mins a quarter? Why can't Charlie and McGovern be the forward targets when Harry is in the ruck, or resting?

... and for those people that are worried about ruck injuries, what is the deference between two key backs smashing into Harry in the forward line compared with one ruckman around the ground.

 

[bigm386]

Looks like no change to me.

If CCurnow was to be in the main team then..........hang on........why isn't he named in the NB's team?
That's a little weird as most of the other players except Simpson have been.

Have to have a look at this and try and make sense of it.


EDIT: Of the 8 named on the extended interchange bench, Simpson and CCurnow haven't been included in the Northern Blues team.
That's unusual, as usually all those named on the extended interchange are included in the NB's team.

Would CCurnow be the traveling emergency?

 

[Blue Chip Pass]

Exactly the reason we need to get Grigg back.

NO NO!, not even in jest.

 

[footyfan1978]

If we win this week it will mean we have definitely turned the corner...and we probably should tally at least 4-6 wins this year...top 8 next year shouldn’t be an unrealistic target

That is the general feel imo. I see it as a very important game to see how our coaching group go. Hawks have no more talent than us, yeah, they got some strengths of some really good smalls but we also got some serious weapons that we should be good enough for long enough to kick a winning score over Hawthorn. Putting several wins in a row would show we are really moving forward rather than odd win dispersed between regular losses. It is good sign we won every quarter last week and rarely played a game this year where we did not outplay the opposition for at least two quarters per game. Once we outplay the other team three out of four quarters more often , we really turning the corner. Getting the scoreboard pressure very important too, which until last week we struggled in. Things look up to me on many fronts. A win here against a well coached group would show we turning the corner from a bottom four team to something much more.

 

[TooBlue14]

So from the combined teams, can we infer the Simpson is in enough doubt that the Match Committee felt the need to name a like-for-like potential replacement (in Garlett), despite VFL form that sounds less than stellar? Having said that, I don't mind either way, we need to get used to life without Simpson in any case, and at the risk of speaking anti-Russell heresy, I think Marchbank for Garlett happened one week too early. A week in the VFL would have done Marchbank no harm. Didn't seem to hurt Kreuzer or Silvagni.

And so I hope Polson is retained, to give Cuningham the opportunity to combine his fitness and skill with some actual touch and confidence at the lower level. He is not yet so seasoned that it wouldn't do him good.

But also because Polson and Cuningham are not really very similar players (and no, not just because Cuningham is more likely to get the pill and kick a goal!). The stats don't really capture the contribution of fast small defensive forwards, but it's more than tackles, one-percenters, or even pressure acts. I read a good post associating Polson with "electrifying pace and crippling panic", but the thing is, some of that panic is induced in his opponent as he bears down, and it really matters. In the modern game, you must have defensive foot speed in your F50, and we don't have many that provide it (after Fisher, our next best is probably Thomas, which is a bit of an indictment on everyone else). It's a curious hole in our list (as others have noted), and until it's remediated, we'll be better when Polson plays, than when he doesn't.

Of course, I'd prefer his actual stats were better, and I'm not certain he'll ever be AFL standard with ball in hand. But with our 2019 list the way it is, I reckon he'll play a lot of AFL this year... in a very strong Carlton side, he might get pushed out by Fisher playing predominantly out of the F50. But not yet.

The actual game: I was bullish until I looked at the defensive matchups. Happy with Jones on Lewis and Weitering on Roughead, but looking at Breust-Wingard-Puopolo against Thomas-Plowman-Newman-Simpson/Garlett... well, we're going to have to do a lot better than break-even in the middle.

I think cuningham is actually quicker than Polson.

 

[Soapy V]

I have already stated that Polson should do a stint in the VFL, but I wouldn't be bringing Cuners in until he has had at least one run in the VFL

Cuners is and will be best 22, no need to rush that, for him or the team

100%. People thinking too much about 1 week instead of what we are trying to do.

We are still very much about development. Big Picture

 

[LanceRomance]

Cheers.....good on you made your own nickname up for him

That's an odd name, I'd have called him chazwazza

 

[Soapy V]

I don’t see Cuningham needing a stint in the VFL. He has been totally fine to run they were just waiting to get clearance for the kidney. He would not have lost any fitness so why does he need a VFL game. I have defended Polson but after the last two weeks he has had he needs to go back to te VFL and find the footy.

Not about fitness. It's about touch and confidence and rewarding others for the win

 

[Soapy V]

UP to 16 Carlton listed players could line for the Northern Blues on Sat.
Finally getting depth and competition for spots.

Awesome isn't it.

I really don't care who is selected now. We are starting to have options and depth and that is all I care about. Been a long time since I could say that

 

[cfc4life]

Cunners (if fit) for Polson. That's it. No need to over complicate things.

 

[LanceRomance]

Renal laryngeal testicularitis?

Ahh yes... RLT