Religion Folau

[DaRick]

You think Folau will take the money?

I reckon if this was about the money, he would have looked into a wrongful termination claim in the state courts, because it's not clear to me that he actually breached his contract and even if he did, terminating someone's contract simply for a breach of the 'code of conduct' is a stretch - the ARU don't have a track record of doing that and players who IMO have committed worse breaches (like Beale assaulting his teammates) haven't had their contracts terminated over such.

He's doing this to prove a point about his religion - the problem is that his unlawful termination case IMO isn't strong.

 

[Echoes]

Getting over this garbage. No escaping it.

 

[Monkey King]

I don't think I'm intimidating anyone, just calling out bigotry. This stuff needs to be called out.

I am a bigot towards the institution that is organized religion, IMO it is an abomination and a scourge on society.

You call out what’s fashionable to call out. Had you lived 75 years ago you’d be on a whole different page. Your moral high ground is merely shifting sands.

 

[DaRick]

This is because groups of people have decided that their ideology is right and no further correspondence will be entered into.
Once upon a time both sides were good for each other. They acted as checks and balances. If one side went to far the other side dragged them back to the middle. Not anymore which is a shame.

Well said. I have some theories as to why that is (maybe right, maybe wrong):

1) We've become more alienated from one another as a society, so we're more likely to see people who disagree with us as adversarial.

2) The fringe left/right dominate political discourse more than they used to, and the gap between them can't be bridged.

3) The growth of the internet means that too many people spend more time in political echo chambers where everyone broadly agrees with them, so they're simply not accustomed to dealing with people who disagree with them.

4) Certain media outlets have come to encourage and reinforce the views of those on the fringes of both sides (Newscorp for the right, maybe the Guardian for the left), whereas previously Newscorp was closer to the centre.

 

[chelseacarlton]

His husband, I mean wife, i mean tall athletic male looking partner has been cautioned by the powers that be that fund netball.
Bummer, I mean vagina, I mean snake and apple.
**** you jesus.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Who amongst us has the balls to do it though?

No-one, yet.
The more I think about it, there will be some really significant issue/war/tragedy which will eventually wake society up to these incredibly puerile and stupid issues of which it is currently so focussed upon.
Meanwhile, I'm going to focus my pointless rage on breakdancing being included into the Olympics and vegans.
Always vegans.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Getting over this garbage. No escaping it.

What do you expect?

The idiots are playing right in to his hands.

 

[Kurve]

You think Folau will take the money?

I think he would have and walked at the figure he wanted for 'legals' at around $3 million. Who knows how much influence he's given ACL though.

 

[Craven Morehead]

I think he would have and walked at the figure he wanted for 'legals' at around $3 million. Who knows how much influence he's given ACL though.

The Principal of one of the biggest litigation law firms in the land has laughed, cynically, at the $3m figure.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Is it time some sort of GoFundMe is established to support RA in this battle?

Good idea.

We can settle this once and for all in a raise-off. Folau, ACL, GuzzLG and the other weird Christian fundamentalists v everyone else.

 

[Kurve]

The Principal of one of the biggest litigation law firms in the land has laughed, cynically, at the $3m figure.

Really? That makes it even sadder that Folau expects other people to foot his legal fees.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Really? That makes it even sadder that Folau expects other people to foot his legal fees.

Employment lawyers have raised their eyebrows at the $3m fundraising target. Maurice Blackburn principal lawyer Josh Bornstein believes the goal is over the top.

“If you set out to spend $3m on that case it would be very difficult, even if you sought to max out your legal spend by getting the most expensive lawyers in Australia on the case, it would be still very hard to achieve,” Bornstein told the Guardian.

He said the case could be run comfortably for $300,000-$400,000, bearing in mind that most cases settle before a trial so it could be less.

If the case was to progress to the federal court for appeal that might add an extra $100,000 on to the tab, followed by an extra $150,000 if it reaches a high court appeal.

“I find the whole notion of a multimillionaire crowd-funding for his legal expenses highly problematic and dubious,” Bornstein said.

Israel Folau: Australian Christian Lobby's fundraising sparks complaints to watchdog

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

It is very lucrative martyring yourself.

Surely the tape over the mouth photo shoot is in the works.

 

[skipper kelly]

Employment lawyers have raised their eyebrows at the $3m fundraising target. Maurice Blackburn principal lawyer Josh Bornstein believes the goal is over the top.

“If you set out to spend $3m on that case it would be very difficult, even if you sought to max out your legal spend by getting the most expensive lawyers in Australia on the case, it would be still very hard to achieve,” Bornstein told the Guardian.

He said the case could be run comfortably for $300,000-$400,000, bearing in mind that most cases settle before a trial so it could be less.

If the case was to progress to the federal court for appeal that might add an extra $100,000 on to the tab, followed by an extra $150,000 if it reaches a high court appeal.

“I find the whole notion of a multimillionaire crowd-funding for his legal expenses highly problematic and dubious,” Bornstein said.

Israel Folau: Australian Christian Lobby's fundraising sparks complaints to watchdog

It certainly puts into perspective our legal system.

 

[Kurve]

Employment lawyers have raised their eyebrows at the $3m fundraising target. Maurice Blackburn principal lawyer Josh Bornstein believes the goal is over the top.

Yeh sorry, I thought you meant this lawyer laughed at Folau settling for $3 million with RA and he'd get much more than that.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I'm loathe to utilise the term, but "salty" is the only word that springs to mind at the moment.

There's a whole lot of very petty, bitchy, non homosexuals venting at the moment.

 

[GuzzLG]

Employment lawyers have raised their eyebrows at the $3m fundraising target. Maurice Blackburn principal lawyer Josh Bornstein believes the goal is over the top.

“If you set out to spend $3m on that case it would be very difficult, even if you sought to max out your legal spend by getting the most expensive lawyers in Australia on the case, it would be still very hard to achieve,” Bornstein told the Guardian.

He said the case could be run comfortably for $300,000-$400,000, bearing in mind that most cases settle before a trial so it could be less.

If the case was to progress to the federal court for appeal that might add an extra $100,000 on to the tab, followed by an extra $150,000 if it reaches a high court appeal.

“I find the whole notion of a multimillionaire crowd-funding for his legal expenses highly problematic and dubious,” Bornstein said.

Israel Folau: Australian Christian Lobby's fundraising sparks complaints to watchdog

He would also have to pay RA's costs if he loses.

 

[Craven Morehead]

He would also have to pay RA's costs if he loses.

On the basis of what is stated in that quote, it still leaves a hell of a lot left over.

 

[Turnover]

I blame tony Abbott, Peter Dutton, newscorp, Rupert, Alan Jones and sky news for this Folau situation. Their influence made Israel post what he did on social media. Beware, they will get you next.

 

[skipper kelly]

On the basis of what is stated in that quote, it still leaves a hell of a lot left over.

Isn't it standard practice to double the quote.

 

[Bazzar]

I'm loathe to utilise the term, but "salty" is the only word that springs to mind at the moment.

There's a whole lot of very petty, bitchy, non homosexuals venting at the moment.

Many here are so outraged and committed to the cause of bringing down Folau, I get the feeling they're dissapointed they're not actually homosexual.

 

[Echoes]

He would also have to pay RA's costs if he loses.

Probably why Folau has jacked his fundraising target through the roof.

Got to make sure whatever happens he still leaves himself enough to walk away with a few extra million in his pocket.

 

[Goosecat]

Employment lawyers have raised their eyebrows at the $3m fundraising target. Maurice Blackburn principal lawyer Josh Bornstein believes the goal is over the top.

“If you set out to spend $3m on that case it would be very difficult, even if you sought to max out your legal spend by getting the most expensive lawyers in Australia on the case, it would be still very hard to achieve,” Bornstein told the Guardian.

He said the case could be run comfortably for $300,000-$400,000, bearing in mind that most cases settle before a trial so it could be less.

If the case was to progress to the federal court for appeal that might add an extra $100,000 on to the tab, followed by an extra $150,000 if it reaches a high court appeal.

“I find the whole notion of a multimillionaire crowd-funding for his legal expenses highly problematic and dubious,” Bornstein said.

Israel Folau: Australian Christian Lobby's fundraising sparks complaints to watchdog

Pffft. It's literally ingrained into their DNA to get this deliberately wrong. "Yeah the total costs will be roughly x my dear client, depending on a few variable possibilities of course".
24 months later
"Geezuz the bill is more than 3 times the original estimate!".
"Well as you know we had to do this , and then we did that and then the opposite party did this, so we had to do that, and remember you indicated to us your intentions were so aligned all the way, after we informed you of all possibilities"hehehe.
If the case were to drag on for a long period and include multiple appeals at varying court levels it will absolutely be more than a couple hundred grand as suggested here. He is being disingenuous and considering the supposed mental capabilities of most legal eagles, most likely deliberately so.
Check some costs of previous big cases with multiple appeals to multiple court levels. If that happens it will most certainly be millions, including possibly some of the legal fees of the opposite party. James Hird alone cost almost 1 million and that only went to the full Federal.
Of course if RA come to their senses and Folou can be talked into taking the money early with something appropriate agreed to regarding statements it could be the couple hundred grand he mentions. He's just not being entirely "inclusive" in his estimation and I'd suggest that is by design.
****ing lawyers, can't lie straight in bed!

 

[AM]

Fairly much encapsulates my feelings.

 

[M Malice]

You call out what’s fashionable to call out. Had you lived 75 years ago you’d be on a whole different page. Your moral high ground is merely shifting sands.

You have no idea MK, I'm 59 years of age and have been disdainful of organised religion for nigh on 40 years.

Also you're shedding nothing insightful or new, we are all a product of our upbringing, geographical family and societal circumstance, if I was around 2000 years ago I would probably of bowed down to various gods whenever they were angry and produced lightning, thunder, floods, pestilence, earthquakes, eruptions etc. gods were the only answers they could put forward at the time. If I was raised in a devoutly Islamic country or in a strictly Amish family I'd in all likely hood be devout to either of those ideas as well.

Well at least until I could think logically, critically, view the evidence or lack of and come to my own conclusions. Luckily I now live in a time and place where I am free to think for myself and when science has answers for previously mystical events that left gaps for gods to fit into.