Autopsy Round 18, 2019: St.Kilda v Western Bulldogs *LANGLANDS DEBUT*

[luca77]

I reckon we should give him the number 32 in honour of our greatest indigenous bone cruncher of all time...

Traianidis doesn't sound very indigenous to me

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Woah what a whirlwind 24 hours, my first game, first goal, got a win! Got to hug rats and awkwardly touch coffield's arm/shoulder in the song. All me friends and fam were there too, the whole Ganglands!

How'd I look? Pretty quick huh, not to mention the guns... yeah I go alright, the young molt

anyway who the hell comes out for steven? Not Ganglands that's who!

 

[plugger66]

Paton got in the best players its funny how we all see things different. I thought paton was avg hes another who plays with a live hand grenade. Surely the classy tough tall marking white comes in for him.

I’m not sure white is a tough marking player. He is a long kicking back man who isn’t that versatile in the way he plays. I think Paton long term will be a good player. Wouldn’t be dropping him.

 

[Ricmel]

Yeah it was vintage Jake yesterday.

So laconic. Reads the ball like Stevie Wonder does braille.

I confess I have discussed him as a trade option but only if he wants out as rumoured.

I have not seen that he wants out....if that is so they should do everything to make him want in. He is critical to our chances of being a top 4 team in the next 5 years (unless Ben King come along)

 

[plugger66]

Fair call... I reckon Sav is played out of position. I'd like to see him as a high half forward/wing personally.

What Sav does very well as a defender is getting back to help. So often he's the one who pushes back to be the get out option for someone in trouble... it's an under estimated act but one that is exceptionally important to a team's defence.

I reckon savage is a back but not a great one. If people want white in they are very similar players. Unfortunately savage still has credits in the bank. Just

 

[Drake Huggins]

The great man!

I think people forget how skilful, quick and explosive Muir was. A genuine match winner, along the lines of a DeGoey.

I had the good fortune of knowing him personally as a kid through my cricket coach who was a friend from Ballarat. Kick to kick in Exeley Road Moorabbin with Robbie was a childhood highlight for me and my friends.

A thorough gentleman except when he crossed the white line and copped racially based abuse, which was rife in those days. The other teams knew it and negated his skills, not by playing better, but by riling him up.

In 1992, we made the road trip to Adelaide late in the season. Robbie was accompanied by Ron Andrews, who I knew through his father, also a copper. What could possibly go wrong?

We lost, neither made it back to the motel that night and concern was high when Bobbie casually sauntered in for breakfast the next morning, a huge scratch scar on his neck and a shiner.

He casually informed us he and Ronnie got in a "scrap" in one of the bars with some crows supporters. Won the fights decisively, but the coppers didn't agree and as was the way, the winners of the fight got the standard and complimentary overnight stay in the cells as their reward.

We dropped them at Bordertown on the way back, as they were meeting others for a beer.

One of the most talented players I've ever seen. Sadly, an unfulfilled talent. I wonder how he would have gone in a more supportive and tolerant system.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Clears 370 grand a year....and goes to bali

Has no idea

 

[Joffaboy]

After one win?

Eventually yes, but for now he provides another strong mature body which we lack.

Experience is the key ingredient here.

Has the tank required for consistent performance.

If anything id like to see him moved to the wing.

Not after one win but over a number of seasons.
For me he doesn't do enough, getting cheapies of a HBF, but isn't damaging enough.
We used to want to get it into his hands, now it is Billings and when back Webster, both more accurate and penetrating than Savages bombs and helicopter disposals.

Poor mans Adem Yze

 

[luca77]

I’m not sure white is a tough marking player. He is a long kicking back man who isn’t that versatile in the way he plays. I think Paton long term will be a good player. Wouldn’t be dropping him.

Yeah, I like watching Paton because I can see he's learning. He makes mistakes, but I get the feeling he won't make the same ones forever.
Same goes for players like Hind, Parker, obviously C&C. I want to see improvement and scope for improvement. If I can see that, I really can handle losing games. I know he's not young and people will scoff at this, but I've got a sneaky feeling Sav could turn out to be better at 30-32 than in his 20s, so I don't even mind his mistakes so much (I know a lot of people on here have had enough of them, and he sure knows how to stuff up properly).
I think Seb has been pretty good the last couple of weeks, and I thought Newnes was good yesterday - but at times this year I felt like they've been as good as they're going to be and it wasn't good enough. DMac just seems like the small moments are just way too big for him. I'd hate to think how he'd handle a GF.

So yeah, anyway, I agree...I wouldn't be dropping Paton unless he really starts to plateau or flounder, or White needs to be given another look.
White will be interesting. I felt like if Ratten dropped too many players right away it would have a bit of a Scott Watters impact. He might lose the trust of the players who've been around for a bit. So I'm not reading (yet) into White not getting picked that Ratten won't pick him. Even next week, given our good win. If he has another big game for Sandy next week and still can't make the team the week after I'd say he's gone for sure.

 

[Joffaboy]

Interesting, Clark stepping up, Coffield becoming a good player, Paton developing, Lonie has developed into an invaluable small forward, Gres and Billings becoming A grade Rowan Marshall one of the top rucks in the game after 20 games...

.....but STKFC can't develop players?

Maybe that call was a tad premature by some?

 

[Noidenous]

Which is the worse take:

The club has players stagnating in their improvement when they should be hitting their straps?

OR

The entire list is shit cause recruiters, coach just needs support, woe the injuries, blah blah blah?


It's inevitable that players taken in the last 3 years will improve and doesn't vindicate anyone.

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

Can’t see any changes to the side for this week.

Jack Steven only played 3 quarters and who knows where Hannebery’s at with his fitness. Think they’ll give Jack Steven another run at Sandy but if both players are deemed available it would have to be Langlands and Hind who make way in my opinion, unfortunately

 

[The_Steadier]

Today and when the other fill in coaches started shows that the state of the game is driven solely by coaches. Take the pressure off and sides can still score. I wish one coach would try that for the whole year. Unfortunately who is ever appointed in the 3 jobs will suddenly feel the pressure

Agreed- overcoaching is a real problem in the game.

The restrictions on runners brought in this year was aimed at aesthetics (making the ground look less crowded) and removing the possibility of nick maxwell style runners being used tactically on field.

I think over time these restrictions on runners will help coaches loosen their vice like grip which has turned the game into chess.

I've seen this opinion a couple of times now lately, and i'm perplexed.

He's been our best player for the last 2 years, solidified a backline that used to have key forwards kicking 7 each week, and he's expendable?

That's like saying Richmond should trade away Tom Lynch just because someone else play forward but worse.

Madness

Perhaps it would make sense for richmond entertain trading tom lynch if like us- they had zero midfielders that are above B grade, whereas other teams have literally a handful of A graders.

We had plugger, the greatest full forward of all time dominating for a decade... while we won wooden spoons and went nowhere.

Geez we made a grand final the year AFTER we lost the greatest full forward of all time.

Buying a ferrari when you can't afford food isn't a good decision just because a ferrari is an amazing car.

What WOULD be madness is not taking drastic action to get A graders into our midfield.

And no- just wishing/hoping/expecting guys like clark, acres etc etc to step up wont fill the hole we have.

We are so far behind the genuine finals teams that we need those guys to progress AND more A graders from outside too.

We are dead in the water until guys like seb ross, steele and dunstan are our 3rd-5th best mids.

Jake is a viable option trade wise to get us an A grade mid.
He's a good candidate to do so because what we would miss from his output downback would more than be made up for what we gain in the middle.

All the moreso with the likes of wilkie and battle looking great.

In the same way we'd prefer of course to have had robbo this year- guys like wilkie and battle have made that big loss quite minimal in reality.

 

[plugger66]

Yeah, I like watching Paton because I can see he's learning. He makes mistakes, but I get the feeling he won't make the same ones forever.
Same goes for players like Hind, Parker, obviously C&C. I want to see improvement and scope for improvement. If I can see that, I really can handle losing games. I know he's not young and people will scoff at this, but I've got a sneaky feeling Sav could turn out to be better at 30-32 than in his 20s, so I don't even mind his mistakes so much (I know a lot of people on here have had enough of them, and he sure knows how to stuff up properly).
I think Seb has been pretty good the last couple of weeks, and I thought Newnes was good yesterday - but at times this year I felt like they've been as good as they're going to be and it wasn't good enough. DMac just seems like the small moments are just way too big for him. I'd hate to think how he'd handle a GF.

So yeah, anyway, I agree...I wouldn't be dropping Paton unless he really starts to plateau or flounder, or White needs to be given another look.
White will be interesting. I felt like if Ratten dropped too many players right away it would have a bit of a Scott Watters impact. He might lose the trust of the players who've been around for a bit. So I'm not reading (yet) into White not getting picked that Ratten won't pick him. Even next week, given our good win. If he has another big game for Sandy next week and still can't make the team the week after I'd say he's gone for sure.

I was at the game yesterday and white was probably best but probably 10 of his kicks were from kicking out after a point. Certainly inflated his stats

 

[plugger66]

Interesting, Clark stepping up, Coffield becoming a good player, Paton developing, Lonie has developed into an invaluable small forward, Gres and Billings becoming A grade Rowan Marshall one of the top rucks in the game after 20 games...

.....but STKFC can't develop players?

Maybe that call was a tad premature by some?

Agreed.

 

[St Muir]

I think people forget how skilful, quick and explosive Muir was. A genuine match winner, along the lines of a DeGoey.

I had the good fortune of knowing him personally as a kid through my cricket coach who was a friend from Ballarat. Kick to kick in Exeley Road Moorabbin with Robbie was a childhood highlight for me and my friends.

A thorough gentleman except when he crossed the white line and copped racially based abuse, which was rife in those days. The other teams knew it and negated his skills, not by playing better, but by riling him up.

In 1992, we made the road trip to Adelaide late in the season. Robbie was accompanied by Ron Andrews, who I knew through his father, also a copper. What could possibly go wrong?

We lost, neither made it back to the motel that night and concern was high when Bobbie casually sauntered in for breakfast the next morning, a huge scratch scar on his neck and a shiner.

He casually informed us he and Ronnie got in a "scrap" in one of the bars with some crows supporters. Won the fights decisively, but the coppers didn't agree and as was the way, the winners of the fight got the standard and complimentary overnight stay in the cells as their reward.

We dropped them at Bordertown on the way back, as they were meeting others for a beer.

One of the most talented players I've ever seen. Sadly, an unfulfilled talent. I wonder how he would have gone in a more supportive and tolerant system.

Great post mate, thanks! He's obviously one of my favourites. I thought he was very under-rated and I was constantly arguing his skills and potential at the time. Copped heaps of abuse, often racial. I was really disappointed he couldn't ignore that crap & go on to be the elite footballer that he could be. A sad reflection of the times.

 

[Sab22]

You know that feeling, waking up on a monday, revisiting the weekend, your team has won, and its your birthday, IT FEELS SO ****ING GOOD, ITS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE WON A GAME AROUND MY BIRTHDAY. IM SO HAPPY.

 

[plugger66]

You know that feeling, waking up on a monday, revisiting the weekend, your team has won, and its your birthday, IT FEELS SO ******* GOOD, ITS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE WON A GAME AROUND MY BIRTHDAY. IM SO HAPPY.

Congrats on turning 22

 

[VDS66]

Interesting, Clark stepping up, Coffield becoming a good player, Paton developing, Lonie has developed into an invaluable small forward, Gres and Billings becoming A grade Rowan Marshall one of the top rucks in the game after 20 games...

.....but STKFC can't develop players?

Maybe that call was a tad premature by some?

Bring back Trout!

Too soon?

 

[VDS66]

Not after one win but over a number of seasons.
For me he doesn't do enough, getting cheapies of a HBF, but isn't damaging enough.
We used to want to get it into his hands, now it is Billings and when back Webster, both more accurate and penetrating than Savages bombs and helicopter disposals.

Poor mans Adem Yze

The one win reference was about climbing up the ladder...

 

[malevu]

I think people forget how skilful, quick and explosive Muir was. A genuine match winner, along the lines of a DeGoey.

I had the good fortune of knowing him personally as a kid through my cricket coach who was a friend from Ballarat. Kick to kick in Exeley Road Moorabbin with Robbie was a childhood highlight for me and my friends.

A thorough gentleman except when he crossed the white line and copped racially based abuse, which was rife in those days. The other teams knew it and negated his skills, not by playing better, but by riling him up.

In 1992, we made the road trip to Adelaide late in the season. Robbie was accompanied by Ron Andrews, who I knew through his father, also a copper. What could possibly go wrong?

We lost, neither made it back to the motel that night and concern was high when Bobbie casually sauntered in for breakfast the next morning, a huge scratch scar on his neck and a shiner.

He casually informed us he and Ronnie got in a "scrap" in one of the bars with some crows supporters. Won the fights decisively, but the coppers didn't agree and as was the way, the winners of the fight got the standard and complimentary overnight stay in the cells as their reward.

We dropped them at Bordertown on the way back, as they were meeting others for a beer.

One of the most talented players I've ever seen. Sadly, an unfulfilled talent. I wonder how he would have gone in a more supportive and tolerant system.

Excellent post but I think you need to add to your last sentence "and during Prohibition". I knew Mad Dog...great skills, nice bloke and loved a frothy.

 

[gringo2011]

Just remembered the clear mark to Matty Parker that wasn’t paid by an ump directly in front of it. Umpiring was poor today, just less noticeable when we actually play well for once.

Yeah I went out at half time and watched the replay of the second half knowing the result so wasn't emotionally watching, but the umpiring was all their way in the second half and completely inconsistent. Looks like they were told to keep it close. First half they were quite even handed.

 

[plugger66]

Yeah I went out at half time and watched the replay of the second half knowing the result so wasn't emotionally watching, but the umpiring was all their way in the second half and completely inconsistent. Looks like they were told to keep it close. First half they were quite even handed.

If corse they were told to keep it close. Makes so much sense. Moon landing was fake and 9 11 was done by the Americans.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Not going to get caught up too much in a one week j!zz fest tho good initial signs.

Occurs to me that all our kids have only ever heard one senior voice their entire AFL careers. It's going to do wonders for them to have someone with new ideas come in and unleash their potential.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah Coff was on Dixon and had a few kicked on him , a few of them were pretty unlucky on Coffs behalf but he is going to be a far better player than DMac will ever be , I dont have anything personal against DMac but i sure as hell dont want a team of 22 nice guys who have a crack but have no skill , I want us to win a flag not a friendship contest

DMac has played good games but he's more Geary than a smooth moving ball user. He probably replaces Geary as a lock down small defender longer term. He's probably more likely to blanket a player like Dickson or Bailey Dale. I guess we wait and see what Ratten prefers, lock down or rebounders.