Climate Change Arguing

[JackOutback]

The whole "if you don't understand the science shut up" mantra is classic cult leader tactics.

You prefer to pick a side based on a lack of understanding?

 

[Credit2thaB0is]

You prefer to pick a side based on a lack of understanding?

Same could be said either way. It really depends on your starting assumptions and who you believe. To me climate hysteria stems from a fundamental lack of understanding of our place in the world.

 

[Northalives]

I just don't know how taxing emissions helps when a volcano can just blow out any man made targets in a day. Do we tax the volcanoes? And why can a polluting company/corporation just steam ahead doing so much so called damage, simply pay a fee, and yet because it's finacialy stimulating economic coffers it's ok.

Seems very suss!

Island geography and shore lines have been changing for billions of years and as humans we have a very tiny window in the scale of it all.

My take is if we cut all emissions the climate will still change regardless and we are too arrogant of a species to accept this. Yes some beautiful man made shoreline developments will be lost, islands will disappear, species will become extinct and discovered but this is more to do with universal change and not humans thinking the can control the way the earth naturally morphs over such a much bigger window than our existence. I glaze over this stuff when 1. Money is involved 2. Two clear arguing factions form without being able to hear reason in the middle...

Are you f****ng serious or what? I just don't know how taxing emissions helps when a volcano can just blow out any man made targets in a day.

That's absolute bull s**t peddled by vested interests who make billions by using filthy, ancient technologies which are killing the earth and they hope and pray that drongos pick up what you wrote and run with it without even trying to find out if it's true. What's even sadder, is that people who you would normally consider intelligent, just parrot this type of bull s**t without even bothering to find out if it's true!

 

[Seeds]

The whole "if you don't understand the science shut up" mantra is classic cult leader tactics.

I have never heard a cult leader resort to science as the source of truth. Can you show me an example?

 

[Seeds]

Same could be said either way. It really depends on your starting assumptions and who you believe. To me climate hysteria stems from a fundamental lack of understanding of our place in the world.

Science is what helps us understand our place in the world though.

 

[JackOutback]

Same could be said either way. It really depends on your starting assumptions and who you believe. To me climate hysteria stems from a fundamental lack of understanding of our place in the world.

When one doesn’t understand a problem, they should accede to the experts. I wouldn’t tell my doctor I have the answer to cancer because I saw a YouTube clip. And I wouldn’t let hopelessly compromised people try to convince me otherwise.

 

[Dry Rot]

When one doesn’t understand a problem, they should accede to the experts.

I wouldn't necessarily. I dont trust all "experts".

I wouldn’t tell my doctor I have the answer to cancer

If you trust all doctors you are very foolish. Ditto big Pharma. Very dodgy lot.

I help a guy with terminal cancer. It's probably terminal because his first set of ****ing idiot doctors didn't believe me when I said he has cancer and months of possible treatment were lost.

Guess what? I was right. Appalling medical negligence. It was obvious he had cancer on the ****ing tests that these "experts" were looking at.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I wouldn't necessarily. I dont trust all "experts".

You're a hero

 

[JackOutback]

I wouldn't necessarily. I dont trust all "experts".



If you trust all doctors you are very foolish. Ditto big Pharma. Very dodgy lot.

I help a guy with terminal cancer. It's probably terminal because his first set of ****ing idiot doctors didn't believe me when I said he has cancer and months of possible treatment were lost.

Guess what? I was right. Appalling medical negligence. It was obvious he had cancer on the ****ing tests that these "experts" were looking at.

People are human, mistakes are made. But if nine doctors tell you that you have cancer and one says 'don't ****ing worry about it, mate", you'd be pretty stupid to decide he's the one worth listening to.

 

[NSWCROW]

By wearing a Collingwood scarf and yelling racist taunts at a Brownlow-winning AFL superstar, Greta Thunberg has immediately found herself completely shielded from criticism – as the Herald Sun and Australian talkback radio rushes to defend her.

Greta Wins Over Australian Media By Yelling Racist Taunts While Wearing Collingwood Scarf

Radio host Alan Jones has also come out in defence of Greta Thunberg, ever since he learnt about her very public act of bigotry.

www.betootaadvocate.com

 

[Raveneyes]

It's easy to be sceptical, when for many years, the science has pointed to climate catastrophes that have not eventuated.

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...

cei.org

Oh and whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer?

I just don't know what to believe.

 

[happy_eagle]

It's easy to be sceptical, when for many years, the science has pointed to climate catastrophes that have not eventuated.

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...

cei.org

Oh and whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer?

I just don't know what to believe.

Learn to distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources in the future if you can.

Competitive Enterprise Institute - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Competitive Enterprise Institute - SourceWatch

www.sourcewatch.org

What The Media Should Know About The Competitive Enterprise Institute's Regulation Report

www.mediamatters.org

 

[Raveneyes]

Learn to distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources in the future if you can.

Competitive Enterprise Institute - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Competitive Enterprise Institute - SourceWatch

www.sourcewatch.org

What The Media Should Know About The Competitive Enterprise Institute's Regulation Report

www.mediamatters.org

Good advice.

Didn't everyone think Al Gore was a reliable source of advice? All those scientists through the last 50 years with dire predictions?

I'm not trying to have a go, but when do predictions become fact? I just can't find a precedent.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Oh and whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer?

Oh dear.

 

[happy_eagle]

Good advice.

Didn't everyone think Al Gore was a reliable source of advice? All those scientists through the last 50 years with dire predictions?

I'm not trying to have a go, but when do predictions become fact? I just can't find a precedent.

How many predictions do you suppose science has gotten right in 50 years ?
You can frame issues any way you want with cherry picked statistics and selected anecdotal evidence these days. Its particularly dangerous in 2019 where nobody seemingly reads passed a headline anymore.

Anytime you read anything online that is research based, you should ask at the very least 2 questions.
1. Who conducted the research (what is their reputation in their field?)
2. Who funded the research (what is their agenda?)

When you ask these 2 questions about a lot of climate scepticism research, there are always holes to poke and agendas to see. This is not to say that left leaning organisations don't try and influence the research space because they do as well, but not nearly at the level that oil and gas peddle propaganda.

 

[ablett09]

They arent optimistic at all. Technology already exists to solve climate change. Atleast in terms of energy based emissions.

No it does not. Wind and solar are not reliable and cost a fortune to back up. We can't power a city the size of Melbourne with batteries.

 

[ablett09]

Cant afford electricity? Are you an idiot? Everyone can afford electricity.

Really ? Plenty of people are struggling with the costs of living with rising electricity costs being a major part of that.

 

[Dry Rot]

People are human, mistakes are made. But if nine doctors tell you that you have cancer and one says 'don't ******* worry about it, mate", you'd be pretty stupid to decide he's the one worth listening to.

Basically it was the reverse. At least five doctors and specialists ignored a key indicator, symptoms etc and/or requests for further examination. At the time, I was the only one correct and kept on pressing for the truth.

And when we found a decent doctor, he took one look and said this looks bad and initiated follow up action and diagnosis.

So I don't trust them and watch them closely. My friend would be dead now if it was not for me.

 

[Lebbo73]

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Oh dear alright. We’ve been through this 97% bs before. Give it up because it is so far from the truth it ain’t funny.

 

[Raveneyes]

Oh dear.

Years ago, it seemed that the hole in the ozone layer was the worlds most pressing environmental issue. Seems we don't hear about it anymore.

I'm happy to be enlightened, but if you'd rather be smug then that's OK too. No big deal buddy.

 

[Raveneyes]

Oh dear alright. We’ve been through this 97% bs before. Give it up because it is so far from the truth it ain’t funny.

Ah so it's old news in here.

I popped in to maybe learn something. Perhaps I am mistaken. Never mind.

 

[Raveneyes]

How many predictions do you suppose science has gotten right in 50 years ?
You can frame issues any way you want with cherry picked statistics and selected anecdotal evidence these days. Its particularly dangerous in 2019 where nobody seemingly reads passed a headline anymore.

Anytime you read anything online that is research based, you should ask at the very least 2 questions.
1. Who conducted the research (what is their reputation in their field?)
2. Who funded the research (what is their agenda?)

When you ask these 2 questions about a lot of climate scepticism research, there are always holes to poke and agendas to see. This is not to say that left leaning organisations don't try and influence the research space because they do as well, but not nearly at the level that oil and gas peddle propaganda.

Thank you for this sensible response.

It's a shame that the future of the planet is tied to wealth, politics, and power, but such is the way of the world.

I can see many in here know far more about this than I do, so I'd better do a little research before getting involved in debate.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Oh dear alright. We’ve been through this 97% bs before. Give it up because it is so far from the truth it ain’t funny.

OK that settles it, great, thanks.

I mean, what would NASA know.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

And anyway, what have the Romans ever done for us?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Years ago, it seemed that the hole in the ozone layer was the worlds most pressing environmental issue. Seems we don't hear about it anymore.

I'm happy to be enlightened, but if you'd rather be smug then that's OK too. No big deal buddy.

Because we're more or less fixing it, by having phased out the use of CFCs (Chlorofluorocarbons.)

Sorry, not wanting to appear smug. But you really should inform yourself of basic events of quite recent history.

Here you go, read all about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion