Bluemour Melting Pot XIX - Give Me Ed Baby - Return of the Prodigal Son

[SirSanchez]

We might owe him for doing us that favour

100%
we might forgive, but we never forget!

 

[Doro]

Yep.

Blues eye Sandover runner-up

CARLTON have emerged as the preferred destination for Sandover Medal runner-up Tim Kelly, but at least three other clubs may use an earlier opportunity to draft the WAFL gun.

www.perthnow.com.au

We were a little loose with our intent on Kelly, though history shows that using 10 on him would have been worth it. Hopefully LOB makes it a no regrets situation by progressing again next year.

 

[HBF]

Only concern is we haven't addressed our midfield needs. Yes Papely may pinch hit in there, however Ed and Smurph aren't getting any younger.

This may come from within the club. But yeah would love to see another pure mid be traded into the footy club

 

[HBF]

Martin will be playing midfield and wing, but I do agree we're probably 1 class midfielder away. However by the time next year rolls around Stocker, Setterfield or Dow could be that player.

Setters for me.
Stocker and Dow are still 12 months away imo.

 

[HBF]

over-rated pea heart......

You'd know all about over-rated pea hearts....

 

[Juddalenko]

Pick 53 - Silvagni, best 22.
Pick 47 - Macreadie, Played a lot of footy in his first year, been injured, he can play.
Pick 59 - Polson, not yet a bust but hasn't done much.
Pick 61 - Williamson, Best 22 if not for two years of back injuries.
Pick 65 - Not a bad player but our drafting of tall forwards has been too good.
Pick 30 - DeKoning, Looking very much like a very good future ruckman for years to come.
Pick 70 - Schumacher, Looked ok but delisted at the moment.
Pick 78 - Garlett, Didn't have it.
Pick 66 - O'Dwyer, Far too raw to tell.
Pick 70 - Silvagni, Raw but looking good.

Rookies
Glass-McCasker - Not up to it.
Gallucci - Good VFL player but not AFL level.
Korcheck - Project ruck who didn't work out.
LeBois - Not good enough.
Silvagni - Good solid mature pick brought down by injuries.
Shaw - Recruited as a one year list filler and to have a mature player.
O'Shea - Same as above.
Goddard - Has been a pretty good pick IMO.
Bugg - He backflipped on us.
Owies - Showed plenty.

Mid seasons
Gibbons - Best 22, been pretty good.
Cottrell - Been injured a bit but has shown a fair bit.
DeLuca - Finished off playing games but didn't do anything massive, will be interested to see how he goes next year.

I wouldn't say it's been bad, it's been heavily affected by injuries, if not for injuries it looks quite good.

I think what we all need to consider is that players don't miss the draft and keep missing drafts or get left until the last rounds or the rookie draft if there isn't something wrong with them.

We're not in a position to take players who are not squeaky clean off field and will not contribute positively to our leadership yet. We might be nearly there at the moment but at this stage we just can't take who we like because they have talent. Richmond can, they are a mature list which won't be effected by individuals potential off field issues.

Definitely an are to improve on but I think there is more to it that us being not good at picking talent late in the draft. We would have lines drawn through talented players who have been taken by other clubs and done well simply because they aren't a good fit for us at this stage.

I still think we are well on track with our rebuild in terms of where the list is at and the expected time frame. Need to land these small forwards though. Then there won't be too much more to do. Especially if we do land Papley, Martin, Betts and maybe one more and our young midfielders like Dow, O'Brien, Setterfield, Stocker, Fisher and Cuningham really come on like they should. Our list rebuild will look in a really solid position.

End of next year I am hoping we tarket a midfielder, not because we have a hole there but because we see an opportunity to increase the quality there. I'm hoping that the hole is filled by a player we have drafted. IMO it should be and that is where we can judge the recruiting harshley.

Wow, I love the club as much as anyone, but this is rose coloured glasses personified IMO.

We’ve gotten JSOS, and maybe DeKoning from national draft picks, and the rookies are misses and nothing of AFL quality yet.

 

[Stamos]

We were a little loose with our intent on Kelly, though history shows that using 10 on him would have been worth it.

You reckon it would have been wise to use #10 on a player who would walk out after 2 years to go back to WA?

 

[BrownDog20]

We’re playing finals next season...

Correct

 

[thylacine60]

You'd know all about over-rated pea hearts....

It's on......

 

[Faz 2000]

Wow, I love the club as much as anyone, but this is rose coloured glasses personified IMO.

We’ve gotten JSOS, and maybe DeKoning from national draft picks, and the rookies are misses and nothing of AFL quality yet.

Yep, need to start finding some late/cheap "hits" to keep stoking the fire. Our premium talent is all there.

 

[Blue Rising]

Even Cornes saying we should be aiming for and are capable of finals next year, I bet that hurt.

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[Red_man2008]

I think Stack and Pickett would have struggled in our team this year (and past couple of years) while we've been building a nucleus.

I couldof played in that GF side and they still would of won by 80+ points. I can run but I’ve never kicked a footy before. I could of even done a pretty spin out of trouble (no one within 3 metres) and missed a target 40 metres away but been lauded my the commentators for the amazing attribute. Don’t think Pickett is much chop at all. If he’d played for GWS they would of lost by more. Richmond have a habit of using shit footballers with there game plan and turning it successful. There’s about 10 players on the weekend I wouldn’t want anywhere near our list.

 

[Doro]

You reckon it would have been wise to use #10 on a player who would walk out after 2 years to go back to WA?

As wise as pick 30. Not sure why we were interested if there was strong go home factor at the time.

 

[Percy2257]

Setters for me.
Stocker and Dow are still 12 months away imo.

Dow is two years away. Minimum. He’s a nervous Nellie. Stocker, on the other hand, is what you want in a hard nosed midfielder. He’s not nervous. He’s Greg Williams like arrogant.
Dow may be very good trade bait at the end of 2020!

 

[Percy2257]

You reckon it would have been wise to use #10 on a player who would walk out after 2 years to go back to WA?

No. Only a club in finals contention could’ve afforded to draft him. So Geelong did the right thing. They, and everyone else for that matter, weren’t to know that he would be so good. I’m on their side in demanding over the odds from West Coast. If that’s not offered let him go into the draft.

 

[rog1995]

Pick 53 - Silvagni, best 22.
Pick 47 - Macreadie, Played a lot of footy in his first year, been injured, he can play.
Pick 59 - Polson, not yet a bust but hasn't done much.
Pick 61 - Williamson, Best 22 if not for two years of back injuries.
Pick 65 - Not a bad player but our drafting of tall forwards has been too good.
Pick 30 - DeKoning, Looking very much like a very good future ruckman for years to come.
Pick 70 - Schumacher, Looked ok but delisted at the moment.
Pick 78 - Garlett, Didn't have it.
Pick 66 - O'Dwyer, Far too raw to tell.
Pick 70 - Silvagni, Raw but looking good.

Rookies
Glass-McCasker - Not up to it.
Gallucci - Good VFL player but not AFL level.
Korcheck - Project ruck who didn't work out.
LeBois - Not good enough.
Silvagni - Good solid mature pick brought down by injuries.
Shaw - Recruited as a one year list filler and to have a mature player.
O'Shea - Same as above.
Goddard - Has been a pretty good pick IMO.
Bugg - He backflipped on us.
Owies - Showed plenty.

Mid seasons
Gibbons - Best 22, been pretty good.
Cottrell - Been injured a bit but has shown a fair bit.
DeLuca - Finished off playing games but didn't do anything massive, will be interested to see how he goes next year.

I wouldn't say it's been bad, it's been heavily affected by injuries, if not for injuries it looks quite good.

I think what we all need to consider is that players don't miss the draft and keep missing drafts or get left until the last rounds or the rookie draft if there isn't something wrong with them.

We're not in a position to take players who are not squeaky clean off field and will not contribute positively to our leadership yet. We might be nearly there at the moment but at this stage we just can't take who we like because they have talent. Richmond can, they are a mature list which won't be effected by individuals potential off field issues.

Definitely an are to improve on but I think there is more to it that us being not good at picking talent late in the draft. We would have lines drawn through talented players who have been taken by other clubs and done well simply because they aren't a good fit for us at this stage.

I still think we are well on track with our rebuild in terms of where the list is at and the expected time frame. Need to land these small forwards though. Then there won't be too much more to do. Especially if we do land Papley, Martin, Betts and maybe one more and our young midfielders like Dow, O'Brien, Setterfield, Stocker, Fisher and Cuningham really come on like they should. Our list rebuild will look in a really solid position.

End of next year I am hoping we tarket a midfielder, not because we have a hole there but because we see an opportunity to increase the quality there. I'm hoping that the hole is filled by a player we have drafted. IMO it should be and that is where we can judge the recruiting harshley.

Out of those 23 players. I would only give pass marks to 3 so far. JSOS, Willo & Gibbons. Dekoning could make it 4 however still a long way to go. Cottrell showing some good signs for a first year player. Owies will struggle to get an opportunity if he's main position is a small forward. That's not a great record whichever way you want to analyse it.

 

[El Topo]

Even that will be a stretch. Dow still built like a twig and Stocker has played what .. 3 games?

A third year mid in a competent high performance program should be ready for midfield minutes. It's time for Paddy to announce himself.

 

[Wickzki]

What was the 'risk' with Kelly again? Lists have 40+ players and every year as you pointed out previously a minimum of three have to go - what was the 'risk' with Stack/Pickett/Kelly ....

In my experience - the greater risk over time - is not taking any risks.

You remember what happened when we were losing games a few years ago? When Robbo, Garlett and co got on the sauce then lied to the club? That's what can happen when your club isn't in the position to risk it on volatile players. Those who do that at successful clubs aren't the type you want. They have greater likelihood of doing that on a team that isn't going anywhere but Mad Monday come September.

I would rightfully (in my opinion) suggest that SOS took calculated risks in Pickett and Garlett. Neither paid off.

Sure, you need to delist or trade out a minimum of three players a year. You're right, I've been more than happy to say that in the past. However, until we're a near lock to be a finals side I'd prefer to be able to delist or dump out the three least talented players on the side rather than best 22 caliber players due to bullshit like Robbo and Garlett.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Gee the draft assistance the AFL have given the suns is ridiculous.

And didn't they have about 5 picks in the top 30 last year?
Granted from trades and losses but they must have some young talent on their list.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Any news on Butler?

He's still at the cemetery gates!

 

[BringBackSimmo]

He's still at the cemetery gates!

 

[Percy2257]

We were a little loose with our intent on Kelly, though history shows that using 10 on him would have been worth it. Hopefully LOB makes it a no regrets situation by progressing again next year.

No SOS did the right thing. If we’d drafted him he probably would’ve left to go to WestCoast last year but, if not, then definitely this year. What would we have got for trading Kelly?
Kelly would not have got us into the finals.

 

[bmaurizio]

Dow is two years away. Minimum. He’s a nervous Nellie. Stocker, on the other hand, is what you want in a hard nosed midfielder. He’s not nervous. He’s Greg Williams like arrogant.
Dow may be very good trade bait at the end of 2020!

Agree Dow, Fisher and O'Brien all lightweights, play a like choir boys no disrespect intended, just slighter frames that will need time to meet demands & for the rigors of the AFL seniors, their 2 to 3 years away.

 

[gbatman]

Out of those 23 players. I would only give pass marks to 3 so far. JSOS, Willo & Gibbons. Dekoning could make it 4 however still a long way to go. Cottrell showing some good signs for a first year player. Owies will struggle to get an opportunity if he's main position is a small forward. That's not a great record whichever way you want to analyse it.

Yeah look I don't know how that stacks up with the more successful clubs. If I was to guess I would say it's about middle of the road.

I do think it has a lot to do with ruling out players based on personality traits and most players who have the talent but end up going late in the draft or don't get drafted until late go late for a reason. Richmond have been taking chances with anyone who has talent, sometimes it works, but we're not in a position to just draft anyone we want.

Would still be good to get a few more players late but we're not behind with our list build so it's not going to matter in the end.

Been building our recruiting dep up over the last few years so hopefully the bares fruit soon. Think we are getting close with club culture and seniority to possibly bring in players who require some guidance and leadership too.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Two years too many.
Lions taking a big gamble giving him 4 years.

I don't think they would eb offering top dollar for him. Well below average Id suggest.