Bluemour Melting Pot XX - Snark Free Zone

[Neese]

Jabba73 is always asking about cake....

Is he also the weirdo that likes jam in hot donuts?

 

[HARKER]

So Agresta said we don't really need support for Cripps.
I think it was Jeremias who wisely said that as every year goes by, the less we need to find this support for Cripps.
We have to put it on the players we now have to step-up tio support - Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, SPS etc.

As someone put forward to me today in regards to Gaff; If indeed West Coast are happy to move him on in order to get Kelly, why not just deal with Geelong?

 

[Dravid's in]

Yep.

This is it. End of trade period.

Good. Looks like we won then.

 

[Blugazi]

So Agresta said we don't really need support for Cripps.
I think it was Jeremias who wisely said that as every year goes by, the less we need to find this support for Cripps.
We have to put it on the players we now have to step-up tio support - Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, SPS etc.

As someone put forward to me today in regards to Gaff; If indeed West Coast are happy to move him on in order to get Kelly, why not just deal with Geelong?

As much as I don't think Gaff will leave, I doubt the Cats would have the cap space to fit Gaff's asking price.

 

[Zlatan]

Any clarification on this news a fellow workmate heard today on the radio somewhere and rushed up to tell me after lunch on site...

Papley for next years future 1st.

This years #9 is being given to the Eagles to try and get Andrew Gaff.

Now i did ask the bloke that told me if he had been smoking shards during lunch when he told me, but he reckons he heard it may be happening but i cannot seriously see us landing Gaff at all.

I am just catching up on this opening day of trade period now after walking in from work and not being able to access a radio or much of my phone all day for updates.

Next years future 1st...so first round 2022? I’d do it.

 

[zeggie]

But the general rules of contract would prevent a unilateral option to terminate at mere discretion of one party.

Ummmm what.

I deal with contracts everyday. 99.9% of contracts have a termination clause for one party.

 

[carlton_99]

Its bloody not...

Is it not working?

 

[slashin_velvet]

I doubt this conversation is interesting to most but why do you think a unilateral option to terminate offends against the general rules of contract? There are termination for convenience clauses in many contracts. They depend on the wording of the clause but I doubt that's going to be an issue here.

The Gaff contract is probably more set up like a rolling contract that can be terminated under certain conditions. In this case, it's a unilateral termination option - the rules only prohibit unilateral extension options.

AFL CBA 21.1(g) An AFL Club and a Player shall not include provision in a Standard Playing Contract which would entitle either party to unilaterally exercise an option to extend the term of a Player’s contract.

 

[HARKER]

As much as I don't think Gaff will leave, I doubt the Cats would have the cap space to fit Gaff's asking price.

That's fair enough, but why not though?
Geelong have to position themselves for another hit at the flag next year or the one after.

Other than for Dangerfield, Selwood and Hawkins, who else are they paying premium dollars for?
If they want Gaff, they could deal directly with West Coast, unless of course Gaff insists that he doesn't want to go there.

 

[ESKIE]

Its bloody not...

Click on it twice...that worked for me

 

[Chism]

So Agresta said we don't really need support for Cripps.
I think it was Jeremias who wisely said that as every year goes by, the less we need to find this support for Cripps.
We have to put it on the players we now have to step-up tio support - Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, SPS etc.

As someone put forward to me today in regards to Gaff; If indeed West Coast are happy to move him on in order to get Kelly, why not just deal with Geelong?

What does naming posters publicly for opinions they hold achieve?

Except for the obvious of course that is petty point scoring.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

Hawks list manager Graham Wright had a go at Dodo

 

[slashin_velvet]

Hawks list manager Graham Wright had a go at Dodo [emoji1787]

I missed it....what was said?

 

[Opine]

Ummmm what.

I deal with contracts everyday. 99.9% of contracts have a termination clause for one party.

OK, leaving aside the 99.9% occurrence that you assert, while such contracts aren't invalid by default, I say this; if a contract says that x can terminate at sole discretion of one party, and doing so unreasonably negates or removes the essential reason or benefit that Y was reasonably expecting, then the agreement might be deemed illusory to begin with, or another mechanism can kick in to stop that discretion from being exercised. But, lets move on. The point here is that, I very much doubt such an agreement exists in respect of an AFL player.

 

[slashin_velvet]

OK, leaving aside the 99.9% occurrence that you assert, while such contracts aren't invalid by default, I say this; if a contract says that x can terminate at discretion, and doing so unreasonably negates or removes the essential reason or benefit that Y was reasonably expecting, then the agreement might be deemed illusory to begin with. but anyway, lets move on. The point here is that, that I very much doubt such an agreement exists in respect of an AFL player.

What if the agreement is structured very clearly into two seperate agreements that roll into the other?

E.g. contract has a 2 year term at X dollars per year, followed by a 5 year term at X dollars per year. The contract says the second part of the contract is automatically triggered at date X unless Gaff gives written notice to terminate the deal

If you couldn't unilaterally terminate a rolling contract....I'd still be renting and working at my first job.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

I missed it....what was said?

Well it was more his stance..

Asked if he had an issue with opposition clubs (read: Sydney) meeting with players (read: Daniher) halfway through the year, Dodoro didn't mince his words on Trade Radio this morning. "Personally, I do."

Wright made his feelings clear, calling Dodoro's stance "immature and silly". Oof.

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www.afl.com.au

 

[PumpyChowdown]

FB: S. Docherty -- L. Jones -- L. Plowman
HB: K. Simpson -- J. Weitering -- N. Newman

C: A. Gaff -- E. Curnow -- J. Martin
R: M. Kreuzer -- P. Cripps -- S. Walsh

HF: J. Silvagni -- C. Curnow -- T. Papley
FF: E. Betts -- H. McKay -- M. McGovern

Int: L. Casboult -- W. Setterfield -- M. Murphy -- S. Petrevski-Seton

Emg: L. O'Brien -- P. Dow -- Z. Fisher -- C. Marchbank

I'm tumescent.

 

[HARKER]

What does naming posters publicly for opinions they hold achieve?

Except for the obvious of course that is petty point scoring.

I applauded his view.
What's wrong with you?

 

[tattooedJESUS]

Soooo when do our wonderful ITK posters start dropping amazing news?

 

[Navara79]

Thoughts?

 

[zeggie]

OK, leaving aside the 99.9% occurrence that you assert, while such contracts aren't invalid by default, I say this; if a contract says that x can terminate by sole discretionary of one party, and doing so unreasonably negates or removes the essential reason or benefit that Y was reasonably expecting, then the agreement might be deemed illusory to begin with. But, lets move on. The point here is that, I very much doubt such an agreement exists in respect of an AFL player.

Ok, so you have no understanding how contracts work. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

An AFL contract can easily be structured for terms and options. JKelly's contract was the test case and got ticked off by the AFL.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Thoughts?

Really??? Thought he had something lined up with the AFL

 

[jooce8891]

FB: S. Docherty -- L. Jones -- L. Plowman
HB: K. Simpson -- J. Weitering -- N. Newman

C: A. Gaff -- E. Curnow -- J. Martin
R: M. Kreuzer -- P. Cripps -- S. Walsh

HF: J. Silvagni -- C. Curnow -- T. Papley
FF: E. Betts -- H. McKay -- M. McGovern

Int: L. Casboult -- W. Setterfield -- M. Murphy -- S. Petrevski-Seton

Emg: L. O'Brien -- P. Dow -- Z. Fisher -- C. Marchbank

I'm tumescent.

marchbank is quite easily best 22 when fit

 

[Blueballs38]

If people still have a vision of a serious player coming to us, then it can only come about via a couple of means -

1. No Papley - That would be embarrassing asking someone to nominate you and then not going ahead with the deal/
2. Players have to be involved.

You can attain a good young player via next years first alone, but you're not going to get a game changer with that sort of currency.
So if one wants to follow this 'big fish' line, one has to accept that it won't happen for relative peanuts.


Harker, Harker, Harker .... why do you refuse to kneel at the alter of House Silvagni?

Bow down and accept that SOS is football’s GOD

 

[zeggie]

Thoughts?

Thought he was taking a plum AFL gig. Maybe he didn't want to share an office with Brad Scott?