Bluemour Melting Pot XXII

[Accidental genius]

Who is OSS?

I think he means SOS.

 

[FoeverBlues]

Outline.com

outline.com

The out-of-contract Gold Coast player has nominated terms for a five-year deal – on more than $1 million next year – from any club that is to select him in the draft. A source indicated the total terms are in excess of $3 million for the five years averaging out at more slightly than $600,000 a year.

 

[SOS must stay]

Cant argue with any of that. One touch, good skills. A deficit currently. Will be a big asset if it all plays out as anticipated

Also deceptively tall. A legitimate marking option up forward who can play small. I cant wait to watch him under Teague.

 

[smashbox gill]

It's actually picks 14 and 36....which will probably creep to somewhere around pick 40 after the academy boys, f/s's etc.

Picks #14 and 40ish for pick #9....they can politely **** orff.....I agree, #14 and 24 more around the mark.

I agree, you could potentially get Robertson as a slider. And then one of Dylan Williams, Jeremy Sharp, Trent rivers

 

[StandByyourMan]

Murmurings re Neill balme style appointment very soon.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Dees, Cats, Giants and other potential trades in the draft

Melbourne's pick eight shapes as one that could be traded during the national draft for two later selections, in one of several trades that are still being canvassed.

www.theage.com.au

Interesting it says Cats offered us Pick 14 and Pick 30 for 9 which we rejected.

If they come back with 14 and 24 is probably accept

14 and 17 would be the trigger id think. Dont think we would want 24 and also dont think the cats would offer up 14 and 17

 

[StandByyourMan]

Betts
Pitonet
Newnes
Martin
Pick 9

EAD

I hope David teague does a Luke Beveridge and gives his jock mchale to SOS

 

[Blue__Balls]

Check out the contested possession stats. Ellis has the ball uncontested about 72% of the time. Martin about 53% of the time.

Reckon that might have something to do with it?

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Probably need to consider the system both players have operated in - reckon Ellis has been delivering the ball to experienced teammates in good position more so than Martin.

 

[Blue__Balls]

14 and 17 would be the trigger id think. Dont think we would want 24 and also dont think the cats would offer up 14 and 17

14 and 17 far too high a price. Equates to Pick 3 or 4 on the index table (yeah, yeah, just an indicator). Teams do typically overpay to move up the draft, but not that much.

If we want 14 and 17, I think we'd need to package up 9, one of our third rounders, and probably a swap of future second rounders as well.

14 and 24 for 9 and a third rounder is about right.

 

[DangerousD]

No. Your in a crap team, in a crap culture, where you don't really want to be...we have no idea what his upside is. All of a sudden he's in a system that he has good players around him, and the pressure is off....similar to Eddie being surrounded by Tex and Seagull and not much else.

And I tell ya, if we reject his offer, there would be a number of clubs more than willing to accommodate.

So we have a player of his caliber wanting to come over, and we're brokering a deal to get him over....the alternative is that we reject the bid, lose the money we currently have in our tpp, and he goes back to the Suns or to the Demons.

Probably best we don't take the risk, just like Richmond shouldn't have taken the risk with Stack after 17 other clubs rejected him. See where that got them!!

Bit of a tangent there, was merely pointing out that averaging 19 disposals against the weaker teams in the comp, is not tearing it up or tearing them a new one, which is what the poster said.

I look forward to seeing jack in Blue

 

[DangerousD]

Really surprised Martin isn’t asking for a 1 year $1M deal, if GC pick him, he’s a free agent at the end of 2020, if Demons pick him, he can request a trade or sign an extension.

The long deal really puts him in a poor spot if GC or melb pick him up

 

[Crippa#9]

Murmurings re Neill balme style appointment very soon.

Who would be the names in the mix?

 

[Heres Waite]

Really surprised Martin isn’t asking for a 1 year $1M deal, if GC pick him, he’s a free agent at the end of 2020, if Demons pick him, he can request a trade or sign an extension.

The long deal really puts him in a poor spot if GC or melb pick him up

On the other hand, I think he is also factoring the risk that a Melbourne or GC would take on. Very risky for a club to sign a guy up for five years if he doesn’t want to be there. I don’t think GC or Melbourne would take that risk. If he only did a one year contract Melbourne may just take the risk for one year.

 

[Robertio]

Who is OSS?

Ben. other son of Stephen.

 

[SammaGilberto]

Always good news to have a new partnership...

 

[footyfan1978]

We done a trade. Downgraded from pick 48 to two later picks.
Wonder why that is ?
We got a father-son bid I not aware of that comes in the 2nd or 3rd round ?

 

[Blue__Balls]

We done a trade. Downgraded from pick 48 to two later picks.
Wonder why that is ?
We got a father-son bid I not aware of that comes in the 2nd or 3rd round ?

48 for 54 and 63 with Sydney.

Probably to convince them to delist Papley for us...

 

[Blue__Balls]

Probably just for a bit of extra flexibility. Gives us an extra later pick to work into other pick swaps if we go down that path. Or if we don't, we probably do what SOS did last year and trade one or two late picks on the night to improve our late 2020 picks.

 

[ferrisb]

We done a trade. Downgraded from pick 48 to two later picks.
Wonder why that is ?
We got a father-son bid I not aware of that comes in the 2nd or 3rd round ?

48 for 54 and 63 with Sydney.

Probably to convince them to delist Papley for us...

That trade was done during trade week.

We then on-traded 54 and 63 for Pittonet.

I guess Hawthron preferred that to 48....The two picks are worth an extra 30 points in total, so perhaps that a consideration given Maginness matching etc.

 

[footyfan1978]

That trade was done during trade week.

We then on-traded 54 and 63 for Pittonet.

I guess Hawthron preferred that to 48....

****, was browsing and thought it was a trade today....lol
Blond moment.....

 

[Blue__Balls]

That trade was done during trade week.

We then on-traded 54 and 63 for Pittonet.

I guess Hawthron preferred that to 48....The two picks are worth an extra 30 points in total, so perhaps that a consideration given Maginness matching etc.

fu**, was browsing and thought it was a trade today....lol
Blond moment.....

Sooo.....

...no Papley as a DFA?

 

[footyfan1978]

Sooo.....

...no Papley as a DFA?

I said blond moment, not blond moment and drunk...

 

[DangerousD]

On the other hand, I think he is also factoring the risk that a Melbourne or GC would take on. Very risky for a club to sign a guy up for five years if he doesn’t want to be there. I don’t think GC or Melbourne would take that risk. If he only did a one year contract Melbourne may just take the risk for one year.

I see Melbourne as not bothering with him and using the logic that you expressed, GC on the other hand, I’m not so sure

 

[zeggie]

But they're not paying the million out of the salary cap which would be the main issue. It wouldn't scare a team as much as if it counted against the cap.

Because

1. They've just paid a guy a million bucks for a single year then nicks off. Not a good look for their players and agents.
2. If they even out their TPP salary cap: ie. 600k per year, and paid $1 mil in year 1 then they need to include 400k in the following years TPP salary cap if they leave. That puts a dent in their cap.

In any event it comes down to whether the player wants to be there and whether the club will actually get a return for the money paid.

Good point. I thought this is why the contract was so heavily front ended.
If the whole contract only has to be evened out then there was no point doing it.
I know a free agent has only to be matched in total but not so sure about the PSD.

You didn't read my post. Player payments the the salary cap are different beasts.

Regardless what they pay a player in year 1 (ie. $1 mil) if the player leaves or otherwise anything over what they specified in the year 1 cap needs to be included in the following year.

 

[branedotorg]

That trade was done during trade week.

i think it's 'cos i bumped the dead thread on the draft board.