Opinion Stephen Silvagni

[DangerousD]

Is Liddle even a Carlton supporter?

Was Parkin?
Judd?
Cripps?
Teague?

Add another few hundred who didn’t support us, who then became Carlton people.

 

[chelseacarlton]

At least the off-season and now we can all move on, if other changes need to made, let the club do their job.
It’s all been terribly annoying after a great finish to the season, trade period draft PSD.
We move on......or do we?

 

[doormat73]

If Liddle is a snake and all that he’s accused of, why was he none of this at Richmond? According to some he’s the type that likes to big note himself and interfere, yet has only just become this way in the past 4 months.
What garbage

Wasn't Liddell in charge of gym memberships at Richmond? Not enough power to **** things up.

 

[DangerousD]

Niall is spot on.

Liddle has to go. This situation has not been resolved with SOS going. It is cancerous.

How exactly would SOS departing today, resolve anything?

 

[DangerousD]

Wasn't Liddell in charge of gym memberships at Richmond? Not enough power to **** things up.

Gym memberships? Not sure that’s an educated take.

 

[DangerousD]

Liddle is far from a professional.

I’ll just add - we critiqued Ratten, Malthouse and other coaches for interfering with draft selections but are happy for our CEO to push for Teague to make these calls.......hypocritical much!!! Btw - no coach or any other person has any right to interfere with recruiters jobs. That is what they get paid for!!!!

I asked this yesterday which no one said anything, how did these coaches interfere? What a load of crap

 

[Coona Blues]

If Liddle is a snake and all that he’s accused of, why was he none of this at Richmond? According to some he’s the type that likes to big note himself and interfere, yet has only just become this way in the past 4 months.
What garbage

At the time he was appointed there was a cryptic post on a main board thread from a Richmond supporter, warning of character flaws and that we would regret the appointment. Among a barrage of positive info was an outlier, but one I couldn't forget about, due to the perception of inside knowledge.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Silvagni's unnecessary departure a bad look for Blues

It is broadly agreed within Carlton that Stephen Silvagni did a fine job in reconstructing the club's playing list over the course of his time as list manager.

www.theage.com.au

 

[bluemahogany]

If Liddle is a snake and all that he’s accused of, why was he none of this at Richmond? According to some he’s the type that likes to big note himself and interfere, yet has only just become this way in the past 4 months.
What garbage

because he wasn't in the top job at Richmond

 

[Coona Blues]

SOS is the architect, as much as Crippa is the extractor. Perfect no, but superior to most, if not all of his peers around the league, yes. He is a class above in the negotiation stakes, and clearly has restructured our wage structure to a highly sustainable level.

The throwaway suggestion of conflict of interest is contemptible. If it has been acceptable until now, and he had flagged one more year to complete the job he has taken such strong ownership of as being the extent of his tenure, he was entitled to the respect of the club and the personal satisfaction of handing over the finished product.

I could continue with anecdotal feedback on decisions by both SOS and coaches and administrators, but has been done to death. He was given a role to play when club had f all direction and did it with great aplomb. Along the way he had people rightly or wrongly encroaching on his domain and clearly had enough so pushed back, hard.

 

[Doro]

I asked this yesterday which no one said anything, how did these coaches interfere? What a load of crap

Ratten was very involved with list management, McLean, Lucas etc. It does happen.

 

[TerryWallet]

At the time he was appointed there was a cryptic post on a main board thread from a Richmond supporter, warning of character flaws and that we would regret the appointment. Among a barrage of positive info was an outlier, but one I couldn't forget about, due to the perception of inside knowledge.

That may well be Coona.....but

What about the alternative, that he comes in with "outside eyes" and sees one employee who happens to be a club legend, that won't play harmoniously with the rest of the footy dept because he is a my way or the highway guy to his bootstraps. And one with 2 clear conflicts of interest staring everyone in the face.(one conflict was enough to destroy Denis Pagan at North).

Imo, SOS was perfect for the job he has done and i've been rapt with the way he did it. But i've always been of the opinion that it wouldn't be a long tenure. He's hard work...for everyone. Always has been. And it's not fair on his sons, whether they realise that right now or not.

And i'm only mildly surprised that he's chosen to go out with a fight. Even though it's not ideal for anyone involved including those around him and those on his side. It's his nature. It's what made him a champion.

Hopefully the footy dept can be all on the same page now.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Nope effective today I am resigning my Membership. and sending my badge personally to Cain liddle.

See ya !!

 

[DangerousD]

Exactly how I felt. He had not really done anything to raise my eyebrows until I realised there was stuff around our apparent interest in Ellis that did not add up to me around trade weeks. I can only hope Liddle has fully owned his mistake and won't make such mistakes again ( I can forgive if he regrets it in house) but my confidence in him is not the same. But I am finally thankful the club has made an official comment on SOS leaving his role even if it leaves out the tension created over Ellis saga. It is better than nothing that had for a good 3 days of stupid media crap but nothing from our own club. PR staff have written it to be based on SOS removing himself from anything to do with his own sons contracts. Most will buy the whole thing which I can understand if plenty do.

Why do you think touring Ellis is such a big deal? I can see why SOS would be annoyed but I don’t subscribe that it’s a hangable offence. I also can’t imagine that Liddle would tour a player unless other recruiters were keen. Yes SOS might have been annoyed but why would the touring of a player, that he ended up withdrawing interest in, be the cause of this?

I’ve said it many times, the recruitment of Betts, who SOS didn’t want and where people went above his head, angered him a lot more.

 

[Stamos]

That may well be Coona.....but

What about the alternative, that he comes in with "outside eyes" and sees one employee who happens to be a club legend, that won't play harmoniously with the rest of the footy dept because he is a my way or the highway guy to his bootstraps. And one with 2 clear conflicts of interest staring everyone in the face.(one conflict was enough to destroy Denis Pagan at North).

Imo, SOS was perfect for the job he has done and i've been rapt with the way he did it. But i've always been of the opinion that it wouldn't be a long tenure. He's hard work...for everyone. Always has been. And it's not fair on his sons, whether they realise that right now or not.

And i'm only mildly surprised that he's chosen to go out with a fight. Even though it's not ideal for anyone involved including those around him and those on his side. It's his nature. It's what made him a champion.

Hopefully the footy dept can be all on the same page now.

The problem is Liddle’s inability to manage the situation satisfactorily.

The chances of everyone being on the same page now are nil. If we were capable of that, then this would have been resolved in a different manner.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Silvagni's unnecessary departure a bad look for Blues

It is broadly agreed within Carlton that Stephen Silvagni did a fine job in reconstructing the club's playing list over the course of his time as list manager.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Stamos]

Why do you think touring Ellis is such a big deal? I can see why SOS would be annoyed but I don’t subscribe that it’s a hangable offence. I also can’t imagine that Liddle would tour a player unless other recruiters were keen. Yes SOS might have been annoyed but why would the touring of a player, that he ended up withdrawing interest in, be the cause of this?

I’ve said it many times, the recruitment of Betts, who SOS didn’t want and where people went above his head, angered him a lot more.

It’s completely unprofessional. And it’s undermining the person who is employed to manage the list.

 

[Stamos]

This is such a ****ing own goal

 

[DangerousD]

The Butler misalignment between Agresta and SOS now makes a bit more sense.

As does the back and forth regarding Ellis - the perception from his manager that we were hot and cold on him.

We clearly had a list manager who wasn't aligned with the other recruiters and football managers/coach. Have to question why Liddle got involved on Ellis without telling SOS? Was he acting for Lloyd/Bolton/Teague, or did he go rogue?

The handling of this still points to mismanagement by MLG, and he should vacate his post in the near future.

I think you answered your own question, you’re right, there was mixed messages, and they didn’t seem aligned, but imo a CEO doesn’t push those things and if he did, then it would be at the request of others.

 

[DangerousD]

It’s completely unprofessional. And it’s undermining the person who is employed to manage the list.

I don’t disagree it’s unprofessional, I’m talking of Ellis here, I just don’t see it as a big a deal as Betts, and I was told SOS felt the same. After Ellis toured the club, SOS would have found out, discussions would have been had, and we decided not to recruit him.

It really annoys me, that the commentary here, still references Ellis, a player that SOS knocked back, but ignores Betts, a player SOS didn’t want and the club got anyway. Betts is a club great, so it’s accepted, Ellis is disliked so it’s a big deal.

 

[Stamos]

I think you answered your own question, you’re right, there was mixed messages, and they didn’t seem aligned, but imo a CEO doesn’t push those things and if he did, then it would be at the request of others.

Well he clearly did in relation to Ellis. And whether asked by somebody else or not, he should not have done it.

 

[Azzurro]

If you don’t understand that, the internet is a form of media, then I’m not sure it’s me, who knows nothing.

And now you make assumptions about what I do and don't understand.

Conversely, I am not making an assumption. When I say that you know nothing, I mean that on evidence you literally know nothing. You are not an insider, you have no sources, you put forth no facts. You only have an opinion. Everyone has one of those. Many are also blessed with the ability to suppress the seemingly incessant need you have to make opinions known. As the saying goes, opinions are like...

SOS leaving is another sorry chapter in this club's sad recent history. I don't know why it has turned out this way, and I'm not happy about it. The club statement sucks, just like the Bolton one did, but this is way worse.

You are spouting negativity at other posters for expressing their passion, as well as rubbishing people for referencing points that have long been held as widely accepted information. It stinks. So I'm calling you out as being a manipulator of the very medium that you are accusing me of being unaware. You don't fool me.

Although i have always thought SOS should step down at the end of next season, i hope we can work through any issues that have arisen recently. As for SOS taking another job in the industry, I'm not so sure, im not sure how a proud father could actively make decisions to weaken his childrens chances at premiership success. Its the same reason, why i don't see SOS being able to go on being list manager, if he has 3 boys on the list. Although, as far as I've been told, this isn't where the issues are coming from.

If Liddle is a snake and all that he’s accused of, why was he none of this at Richmond? According to some he’s the type that likes to big note himself and interfere, yet has only just become this way in the past 4 months.
What garbage

Don’t let the door hit you, supporters who threaten to burn memberships throw them out, when something happens they don’t understand or like, aren’t true supporters.

I asked this yesterday which no one said anything, how did these coaches interfere? What a load of crap

 

[Stamos]

I don’t disagree it’s unprofessional, I’m talking of Ellis here, I just don’t see it as a big a deal as Betts, and I was told SOS felt the same. After Ellis toured the club, SOS would have found out, discussions would have been had, and we decided not to recruit him.

It really annoys me, that the commentary here, still references Ellis, a player that SOS knocked back, but ignores Betts, a player SOS didn’t want and the club got anyway. Betts is a club great, so it’s accepted, Ellis is disliked so it’s a big deal.

Betts wasn’t toured behind SOS’ back though, was he?

 

[Crippa#9]

Anyone know when the replacement for SOS will be announced? Also if there are any leading candidates for the role, if that's even possible to know?

Have heard, though I doubt the reliability of the information, that Graham Wright (Hawthorn) has been sounded out. Some view Hawthorn as a good model of a club that has traded well after they’ve built success via a young core through the draft.

 

[Own The Future]

Have heard, though I doubt the reliability of the information, that Graham Wright (Hawthorn) has been sounded out. Some view Hawthorn as a good model of a club that has traded well after they’ve built success via a young core through the draft.

I’m sure we had asked him before. Doesn’t mean that’s a no forever, and well worth asking again. He and Wells are the 2 I’d want above all others. Doubt we’ll pry either out of their current club however.