Opinion Stephen Silvagni

[Blue__Balls]

CH 7 reported last night they were consider Matt Bain as a potential replacement for SOS.

Matt Bain.

Interesting.

Player agent, so knows that side of the game very well. Would have a good understanding of player valuation. Would have good relations with most clubs' LM teams. Would likely have good connections among junior talent scouts. That all sounds pretty good to me.

The salary cap balancing would presumably be a new element for him, but if Agresta is sticking around then we've at least got someone to ensure continuity where necessary.

If I remember rightly, he has close connections with a few Carlton people. Definitely manages Cripps. I think Stride manages BSOS, not sure if Bain himself if involved there. If his skill set is right, bringing him on board might help to alleviate any inherited animosity towards "SOS's replacement".

 

[HARKER]

If we were a basket case, we would've turfed Liddle, paying him out in order to avoid a lawsuit in order to keep SOS; if there is friction between him and Lloyd or Agresta or Brodie, they would be getting turfed, too. We would've filled list management with yes men. Nepotism would've been the name of the game, and what I have feared for a very, very long time would have been proven to be the case.
That's the silver lining in this for me. Old Carlton would never, not in a million years, have done this. We're a modern club now; we don't make decisions that way anymore. I'd prefer for MLG to have been able to smooth things over and to allow SOS to get along with Liddle, but it hasn't happened. Both continuing would've been better than either leaving, but as I said before, them's the breaks.

Maybe in technical terms but not in terms of what is required of a club to succeed in the short, medium and long terms.

The left hand still doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
It doesn't function as a single entity but as a group of individuals fighting for supremacy.
Liddle may well have taken up the cause on this, but left behind some shit stains as he went along and there was no one there to placate the mess that was in play and snow-balling to a very poor outcome for the club.
This is not the modern club I want for us and did we really offer Silvagni another 'make-up on the run' role? How modern is that?

It's evident to me and has been for some time that we really don't know what we're doing and when the heat comes on, we assume our default position of aggression, bad-blood and disunity. That's not the making of a modern club.

Only good outcome here is for the big, bad broom to come out and take out the players that aren't capable of running this club in the way it should be run.

 

[Gethelred]

Maybe in technical terms but not in terms of what is required of a club to succeed in the short, medium and long terms.

The left hand still doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
It doesn't function as a single entity but as a group of individuals fighting for supremacy.
Liddle may well have taken up the cause on this, but left behind some shit stains as he went along and there was no one there to placate the mess that was in play and snow-balling to a very poor outcome for the club.
This is not the modern club I want for us and did we really offer Silvagni another 'make-up on the run' role? How modern is that?

It's evident to me and has been for some time that we really don't know what we're doing and when the heat comes on, we assume our default position of aggression, bad-blood and disunity. That's not the making of a modern club.

Only good outcome here is for the big, bad broom to come out and take out the players that aren't capable of running this club in the way it should be run.

If you could kindly repost this with the facts within it bolded, that'd be appreciated.

Otherwise, there's not much in there that substantial, Harks.

 

[bluemahogany]

CH 7 reported last night they were consider Matt Bain as a potential replacement for SOS.

Ah yes, Liddle is worried about SOS' conflict of interest but will hire the manager of 3 of our most high profile players

 

[HARKER]

If you could kindly repost this with the facts within it bolded, that'd be appreciated.
Otherwise, there's not much in there that substantial, Harks.

I've stated the facts many times over. Provided many names that left this club in recent times under less than 'ideal' circumstances.
You go right ahead and see what you see and I can only continue to see what I see.........and as if we couldn't see this coming about in one shape or form from a long way out. We're a poorly run club and if that isn't a fact.....can't help you.

 

[Stamos]

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This is what I mean, Stamos.

If we were a basket case, we would've turfed Liddle, paying him out in order to avoid a lawsuit in order to keep SOS; if there is friction between him and Lloyd or Agresta or Brodie, they would be getting turfed, too. We would've filled list management with yes men. Nepotism would've been the name of the game, and what I have feared for a very, very long time would have been proven to be the case.

That's the silver lining in this for me. Old Carlton would never, not in a million years, have done this. We're a modern club now; we don't make decisions that way anymore. I'd prefer for MLG to have been able to smooth things over and to allow SOS to get along with Liddle, but it hasn't happened. Both continuing would've been better than either leaving, but as I said before, them's the breaks.

No, we're a basket case because Liddle isn't going as well.
We're not a basket case because SOS is going, we're a basket case because of the unprofessional manner in which it's been done.
The CEO is clearly not up to it, or we wouldn't be in this situation.

 

[HARKER]

No, we're a basket case because Liddle isn't going as well.
We're not a basket case because SOS is going, we're a basket case because of the unprofessional manner in which it's been done.
The CEO is clearly not up to it, or we wouldn't be in this situation.

I keep saying - It's not what we do but the way we do it.

That's what really annoys me about this club. We keep making a mess of situations that a professional club would have dealt with better.
We aren't as modern as we think we are....or pretend to be.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I've stated the facts many times over. Provided many names that left this club in recent times under less than 'ideal' circumstances.
You go right ahead and see what you see and I can only continue to see what I see.........and as if we couldn't see this coming about in one shape or form from a long way out. We're a poorly run club and if that isn't a fact.....can't help you.

Yeah I think you were right all along.

Mark Loguidace seems like an Autocratic type of President/Chairman, and I think that is unhealthy tbh.

First time I have said this, but he needs to go.

 

[Bee Vee]

The player agent? WTF?

Dan Richardson was a player agent IIRC. He went to Richmond and they won a flag with him in a high level football department role.
I'd suggest he'd have a great insight into player salaries, TPP management etc.

 

[Stamos]

Dan Richardson was a player agent IIRC. He went to Richmond and they won a flag with him in a high level football department role.
I'd suggest he'd have a great insight into player salaries, TPP management etc.

We just sacked our last guy due to a conflict of interest.

 

[Gethelred]

I've stated the facts many times over. Provided many names that left this club in recent times under less than 'ideal' circumstances.
You go right ahead and see what you see and I can only continue to see what I see.........and as if we couldn't see this coming about in one shape or form from a long way out. We're a poorly run club and if that isn't a fact.....can't help you.

I'm not talking about your posting history, Harker. I'm talking about the facts in that immediate post.

Refer to them, please.

No, we're a basket case because Liddle isn't going as well.
We're not a basket case because SOS is going, we're a basket case because of the unprofessional manner in which it's been done.
The CEO is clearly not up to it, or we wouldn't be in this situation.

I said this to Opine a few days ago, but the only reason Liddle wouldn't be leaving after this mess is purely down to contracts (ie, he has one for a longer term than this or to sever the contract, and the club is loathe to pay him out for this ****up).

Otherwise, I'm struggling to see how a single mistake drives one back to being a 'basket case' when they were not one the week before. I mean, provided the mistake isn't a relationship between a superior and one of their staff...

Oh wait, that was Lethlean.

Yeah I think you were right all along.

Mark Loguidace seems like an Autocratic type of President/Chairman, and I think that is unhealthy tbh.

First time I have said this, but he needs to go.

Elmer, you're a leaf fallen in a creek. You are blown back and forth by the tides and the wind, and you settle only where they take you.

Don't follow other opinions. Think for yourself.

 

[Stamos]

Otherwise, I'm struggling to see how a single mistake drives one back to being a 'basket case' when they were not one the week before. I mean, provided the mistake isn't a relationship between a superior and one of their staff...

Because it's not a single mistake.
It is ongoing, unprofessional mistakes over months (at least) that have lead to this situation.

Quite simply, if Liddle was capable of doing his job, we would not be where we are now.

 

[Gethelred]

Because it's not a single mistake.
It is ongoing, unprofessional mistakes over months (at least) that have lead to this situation.

Quite simply, if Liddle was capable of doing his job, we would not be where we are now.

Okay.

List them. List the mistakes Liddle has made which has made his positon untenable. You've got Ellis, no doubt, but I'd be interested in hearing what else there is.

 

[slashin_velvet]

How many list managers in the AFL report into the board/president vs report into the CEO?

 

[Bee Vee]

We just sacked our last guy due to a conflict of interest.

What's the conflict? He wouldn't be a player manager any longer. If anything, his knowledge of player contracts from other clubs would be a bonus.

 

[Stamos]

Okay.

List them. List the mistakes Liddle has made which has made his positon untenable. You've got Ellis, no doubt, but I'd be interested in hearing what else there is.

He has managed an ongoing situation that has resulted in the sacking of a Club Legend who had done an amazing job in turning around our list, on bad terms, for not apparent reason.

Every day that he didn't fix this problem to a satisfactory level was a mistake.

 

[Gethelred]

He has managed an ongoing situation that has resulted in the sacking of a Club Legend who had done an amazing job in turning around our list, on bad terms, for not apparent reason.

Every day that he didn't fix this problem to a satisfactory level was a mistake.

... so, one mistake?

 

[Brackets]

I keep saying - It's not what we do but the way we do it.

That's what really annoys me about this club. We keep making a mess of situations that a professional club would have dealt with better.
We aren't as modern as we think we are....or pretend to be.

What AFL clubs would you suggest are the opposite of us in their professionalism? All clubs have their issues in one form or another, the better clubs move on and continue to prosper.

Despite all our 'mess', we're attracting quality on and off the field, memberships are growing at an incredible rate, and the playing group are happy.

What even is a 'modern' club?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

We just sacked our last guy due to a conflict of interest.

If he was still a player manager whilst being a list manager of a club then yes he would 100% have a serious conflict of interest.

Are you suggesting this is how it would work?


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[Stamos]

... so, one mistake?

You missed my edit.

Every single day that he didn't fix this situation to a satisfactory level, was a mistake.

Being unprofessional is not a 'single mistake'.

 

[DangerousD]

SOS is that you?

5 years? really? BSOS is a prospect and could very well be a bust (hopefully not but im not giving him a guaranteed 5 years). Jack still hasnt found his position in the side, i dont think he will play 150 games (if we are going to be any good, i think he gets pushed aside by a better player)

I thought the post was sarcastic, now I’m unsure.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Yeah I think you were right all along.

Mark Loguidace seems like an Autocratic type of President/Chairman, and I think that is unhealthy tbh.

First time I have said this, but he needs to go.

Reading the tea leaves, and Niall paints that picture near the end of his article, I’d suggest a big reason for SOS moving on is he had a very autocratic management style.

Which was probably very much needed in the early days as he had a potentially very unpopular mandate to deliver, id dare say he failed to change his style as needed over time and become far more collaborative and here we are today.


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[AndyLucimitis]

You missed my edit.

Every single day that he didn't fix this situation to a satisfactory level, was a mistake.

Being unprofessional is not a 'single mistake'.

So was any of it SOS's fault or this is all on Liddle ?

 

[Sector 7G]

Isn’t he Juddy’s Mate?

Pretty sure he is Murphs mate and manager. Also manages Crippa.

Would he do as good a job of list management as Bryce's former manager, Justin Reid.

I see the talent evaluation being a issue for list managers without a football/recruiting background

 

[Stamos]

So was any of it SOS's fault or this is all on Liddle ?

Of course it was a clash between both of them.

But it's Liddle's job to fix it in a professional manner.