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[Bamboo Harvester]

Based on last year's form, Newman and Gibbo in my starting 22 in a heartbeat.

So there you go...

 

[therubbernub]

The stat that stands out for me with Newman, as far as the difference between him and Marchbank in the backline, is metres gained. He was 15th in the entire comp, and the next Blues on the list were Simmo, Murph and Daisy. He is a player that provides significant drive off half back. Marchbank gains about half as much ground, on average, per game.

My line of thought it that if Weitering, Jones/Casboult, Plowman and Doc can handle most of the defensive/intercept work, then the side benefits more from a more offensive player than Marchbank, who is more suited to playing a loose intercept role (which I'd expect Doc to do more of). It's not about which is a better player, it's about which player's skillset/style provides more value to the collective.

yeah but ......

" Carlton's Patrick Cripps played a brilliant game in Round 5 against the Western Bulldogs, dominating with 37 disposals and 11 clearances in the win. However, he only finished with 84 metres gained. "

Metres gained: Breaking down the AFL's most misunderstood statistic

'Metres gained' has become the sexy statistic that's synonymous with modern footy, but what does it mean and just how valuable is it? ESPN and Champion Data have joined forces to break down everything metres gained and explain what it all means.

www.espn.com

 

[therubbernub]

Newman & Marchbank play differently and to me arent fighting for the same spot. Newman will be fighting with Doc, Simmo, Willo and SPS of that HBF role (Simmo will have to watch himself as others are coming) To me, when fit, Marchbank is best 22. Newman will likely start round 1 but i see Doc, SPS, Simpson, Willo as our rebounding defenders (so basically doc or Willo taking newmans spot) and Marchbank being the 7th defender rotating with plowman (and others)

As for disposal, players with great footskills often try and bite off more than they can chew or go for the really tough kcik too often and when they turn it over it really hurts.

Edit: As for meters gained, just another made up stat that doesnt mean much to me, thats just how i read stats (or try to ignore them as they mean sfa most of them)

HBF's just keep coming and growing like weeds. We tried to thin them out when we traded Touhy but lookey lookey the bastards keep growing back. Given that we have plenty of HBF talent, we should be pushing Marchbank further up the ground. Wing sounds like a nice start IMO

 

[therubbernub]

just play him wherever his knees aren't involved.........

On the pine with charlie?

 

[thylacine60]

shit no, nowhere near charlie.......

 

[Wickzki]

yeah but ......

" Carlton's Patrick Cripps played a brilliant game in Round 5 against the Western Bulldogs, dominating with 37 disposals and 11 clearances in the win. However, he only finished with 84 metres gained. "

Metres gained: Breaking down the AFL's most misunderstood statistic

'Metres gained' has become the sexy statistic that's synonymous with modern footy, but what does it mean and just how valuable is it? ESPN and Champion Data have joined forces to break down everything metres gained and explain what it all means.

www.espn.com

This is a classic example of different roles representing different values statistically.

One of the vital stats of a running rebound defender is definitely meters gained. The more MG the more "rebound" they've provided.

Cripps playing on the inside is likely to have gotten the ball to an outside mid who would have been responsible for the meters gained.

I'd like to see how many meters inside mids generate through passing the ball onto the guy who gets the credit for it. However, you can have a thousand different stats that tell you exactly what you want (or don't want) to see and at the end of the day they're not much more than numbers on a screen.

 

[TerryWallet]

This is a classic example of different roles representing different values statistically.

One of the vital stats of a running rebound defender is definitely meters gained. The more MG the more "rebound" they've provided.

Cripps playing on the inside is likely to have gotten the ball to an outside mid who would have been responsible for the meters gained.

I'd like to see how many meters inside mids generate through passing the ball onto the guy who gets the credit for it. However, you can have a thousand different stats that tell you exactly what you want (or don't want) to see and at the end of the day they're not much more than numbers on a screen.

When watching and evaluating AFL football:

Eyes & Brain = 90%

Stats = 10%

Ours is still a game played on the biggest surface, with the most players on the field, with an oval ball, over a long physical season.

 

[Kreuz Control]

Really is surprising how the likes of Gibbons, Newnes, Newman are so underrated by so many

Gibbo almost being the most underrated of the three, loved what the little man dished up last year and have him firmly in my starting 22. Now as a contracted player with a year under his belt and knowing our system, can't wait to see what he can do.

 

[Accidental genius]

to me marchy looks a little awkward when kicking. Maybe he needs to work with Rocco too. Levi also has this issue but his kicking accuracy has improved immensely.

 

[FRUMPY]

When watching and evaluating AFL football:

Eyes & Brain = 90%

Stats = 10%

Ours is still a game played on the biggest surface, with the most players on the field, with an oval ball, over a long physical season.

Spot on - 10% maybe too high

Dont get me started on those that use supercoach or dreamteam points in the argument

 

[HARKER]

Teague on SEN - Just briefly.

The names Setterfield, Fisher and Newnes keep popping up.
Lots of players putting their hand up for a starting spot.

Kennedy knows the craft of playing forward.

Betts doing all the things that the club expected and more.
The 'small backs' are learning a lot from this 'small forward'

 

[HARKER]

Just mentioned on SEN again -

Apparently, all the coaches were asked to list their best 22 and no lists were the same.
If there can't be a relative consensus for those that watch these guys every day, it's certainly not going to happen here.

 

[Kreuz Control]

Here it is - https://www.sen.com.au/programs/sen-breakfast/

 

[Blue__Balls]

yeah but ......

" Carlton's Patrick Cripps played a brilliant game in Round 5 against the Western Bulldogs, dominating with 37 disposals and 11 clearances in the win. However, he only finished with 84 metres gained. "

Metres gained: Breaking down the AFL's most misunderstood statistic

'Metres gained' has become the sexy statistic that's synonymous with modern footy, but what does it mean and just how valuable is it? ESPN and Champion Data have joined forces to break down everything metres gained and explain what it all means.

www.espn.com

Again, not relevant to the point. I wouldn't play Cripps in the backline, either.

The metres gained stat was thrown in to highlight what particular role/strength Newman brings to the table. Specifically, rebound and drive from the back half. Marchbank doesn't add to that, because his strengths are in covering a mobile tall forward, and zoning off to intercept whenever possible.

Yes, you can argue that Marchbank intercepts more balls, which then allows us to rebound more. Maybe that's true, maybe not. Maybe having one more interceptor and one less rebounder results in reduced efficiency in our transition out of the backline.

My belief is that with Doc back in the side, and the form of Weitering, Jones and Plowman, that extra interceptor is less valuable than a player who offers/specialises in rebound play. Nothing to do with who is better, or who should be cut/delisted/traded or any nonsense like that. Simply an opinion on the balancing of the backline group now that we find ourselves pretty flush with talent.

 

[Macca43]

Based on last year's form, Newman and Gibbo in my starting 22 in a heartbeat.

So there you go...

Of course based on last years carlton form Betts, Martin, Docherty, Willo, Marchbank, Newnes and Cuningham wouldn't be in the best 22.

Also based on last years form we finish 16th.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

to me marchy looks a little awkward when kicking. Maybe he needs to work with Rocco too. Levi also has this issue but his kicking accuracy has improved immensely.

Needs too be a little more aware on who's around him, at times has been caught or nearly which has effected him releasing the ball by hand or foot...

 

[Blue__Balls]

Teague on SEN - Just briefly.

The names Setterfield, Fisher and Newnes keep popping up.
Lots of players putting their hand up for a starting spot.

Kennedy knows the craft of playing forward.

Betts doing all the things that the club expected and more.
The 'small backs' are learning a lot from this 'small forward'

More flow-on effects, love it.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Of course based on last years carlton form Betts, Martin, Docherty, Willo, Marchbank, Newnes and Cuningham wouldn't be in the best 22.

Also based on last years form we finish 16th.

Fair enough....
So based on that, nobody from last year is in our starting 22.

 

[Arr0w]

Here it is - https://www.sen.com.au/programs/sen-breakfast/

Martin 50/50, forward/midfield

Go figure

 

[Blue__Balls]

Martin 50/50, forward/midfield

Go figure

Wonder how they define "midfield".

Is it that they expect him to be one of the 6 starting mids at 50% of centre bounces?

Or just that he'll be given license to push up the ground and assist in transition rather than making the forward line his home all the time?

 

[Macca43]

Fair enough....
So based on that, nobody from last year is in our starting 22.

Not at all, some players demonstrated they were elite last year, some players play positions where we don't have new players or returning players competing for their spots.

There is also a difference between being in our 22 and being "in my starting 22 in a heartbeat"

 

[Arr0w]

Wonder how they define "midfield".

Is it that they expect him to be one of the 6 starting mids at 50% of centre bounces?

Or just that he'll be given license to push up the ground and assist in transition rather than making the forward line his home all the time?

We have seen with Martin that he is effective at centre bounces/around the ground stoppages. I think most of the time it will be pushing up the ground, with cameos through the centre

One thing is clear though, he won't be a stay at home forward. Martin's ability to hit targets inside 50 is elite

 

[FRUMPY]

More flow-on effects, love it.

I was thinking this when eddie kicked a few goals in an intra club game the other week - steep learning curve for our small backs - love it.

 

[Macca43]

Wonder how they define "midfield".

Is it that they expect him to be one of the 6 starting mids at 50% of centre bounces?

Or just that he'll be given license to push up the ground and assist in transition rather than making the forward line his home all the time?

I see him like Charlie Cameron or Jeff Garlett under Ratten - push up high lose your defender in traffic, create dangerous forward entries and then beat your opponent back into the forward 50.

 

[HARKER]

Martin 50/50, forward/midfield

Go figure

Proof...pudding...that sort of thing.

Martin has the ability but it may be utilised more so at forward stoppages than playing any dedicated midfield role. Could say the same about Betts.

Again - Taking the odd centre bounce doesn't render you a midfielder. What's the obsession?