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AFL legend Terry Wallace sends passionate message to West Coast to never drop Oscar Allen again


“Can you do me one favour at West Coast? Tell them never, ever, ever to drop Oscar Allen again,” Wallace said on SEN’s Match Committee.

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‘Never, ever, ever drop him again’

‘Can you do me one favour at West Coast? Tell them never, ever, ever to drop Oscar Allen again,’ Wallace said.
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www.abc.net.au

Ugly football: Could broadcasters be the source of AFL's image problem?

Watch AFL on television and you could see a completely different game to the one you'd see live. Russell Jackson analyses whether it could be what's broadcast that changes our view.
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A really interesting article.
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This is excellent. I’ve long bemoaned the verbal side of footy presentation on TV - they have chosen to entertain rather than explain - and why I battle to sync up the radio comms with the vision most of the time. Radio comms are much better at telling the story and highlighting the tactics.

But I haven’t thought too deeply about the camerawork side of things. Maybe I am part of the problem because I get frustrated if they switch to a new camera angle, especially when watching the Eagles, because I want the comfort of seeing what I am used to because I can make sense of that instantly.

Whilst this article talks about the pace of the game a lot as a challenge, this might be the era to bring in the behind the goals angle. Certainly, teams like WC and Hawthorn chip it around enough to allow for enough quality seconds to show audiences at home the lock the players’ are trying to pick. More difficult for chaos teams like Richmond, Melbourne from a couple of years ago and Collingwood, to a certain extent.

I’d love them to try something different though. Everyone is mentally flexible right now and they’ve introduced new features like interviewing coaches in the breaks and so on. But a coach giving you stock answers is less educational than a wide angle shot behind Hurn seeing what he has available when he’s marked at the back of the square.
 
ukurrie said:
This is excellent. I’ve long bemoaned the verbal side of footy presentation on TV - they have chosen to entertain rather than explain - and why I battle to sync up the radio comms with the vision most of the time. Radio comms are much better at telling the story and highlighting the tactics.

But I haven’t thought too deeply about the camerawork side of things. Maybe I am part of the problem because I get frustrated if they switch to a new camera angle, especially when watching the Eagles, because I want the comfort of seeing what I am used to because I can make sense of that instantly.

Whilst this article talks about the pace of the game a lot as a challenge, this might be the era to bring in the behind the goals angle. Certainly, teams like WC and Hawthorn chip it around enough to allow for enough quality seconds to show audiences at home the lock the players’ are trying to pick. More difficult for chaos teams like Richmond, Melbourne from a couple of years ago and Collingwood, to a certain extent.

I’d love them to try something different though. Everyone is mentally flexible right now and they’ve introduced new features like interviewing coaches in the breaks and so on. But a coach giving you stock answers is less educational than a wide angle shot behind Hurn seeing what he has available when he’s marked at the back of the square.
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This is why I love my seats at Optus. Top tier, the shady all year/day long side of the ground, roughly in line with the 50m line. They're amongst the cheapest seats, but I can see so much more up the ground than on TV. Watching gameplans unfold is so good.

An in-form Jetta is even more of a freak when you can see so much and still can't see what he does.
 
Tugga27 said:
Hear, here.

AFL legend Terry Wallace sends passionate message to West Coast to never drop Oscar Allen again


“Can you do me one favour at West Coast? Tell them never, ever, ever to drop Oscar Allen again,” Wallace said on SEN’s Match Committee.

www.perthnow.com.au

‘Never, ever, ever drop him again’

‘Can you do me one favour at West Coast? Tell them never, ever, ever to drop Oscar Allen again,’ Wallace said.
www.perthnow.com.au www.perthnow.com.au
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I've been saying for ages (granted some of it was when I was his sponsor), Oscar is going to be our best player in the next few years
 

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Tugga27 said:
Hear, hear.

AFL legend Terry Wallace sends passionate message to West Coast to never drop Oscar Allen again


“Can you do me one favour at West Coast? Tell them never, ever, ever to drop Oscar Allen again,” Wallace said on SEN’s Match Committee.

www.perthnow.com.au

‘Never, ever, ever drop him again’

‘Can you do me one favour at West Coast? Tell them never, ever, ever to drop Oscar Allen again,’ Wallace said.
www.perthnow.com.au www.perthnow.com.au
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He also said this about Jack Darling in his early years and it is now causing all sorts of havoc on this forum!!

The Eagles wanted to drop him, but were unable to break a promise to Terry.
 
Ambrose Burnside said:
This is why I love my seats at Optus. Top tier, the shady all year/day long side of the ground, roughly in line with the 50m line. They're amongst the cheapest seats, but I can see so much more up the ground than on TV. Watching gameplans unfold is so good.

An in-form Jetta is even more of a freak when you can see so much and still can't see what he does.
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I’ve always wondered if this is what has kept AFL attendances reasonably high compared to, say, NRL. NRL is a better tv sport whereas AFL is better viewed live.

And I agree, I aim for similar seats at the G.
 
Wow... Very strict conditions in the WA hub:

Families of Collingwood and Geelong players blocked from entering Perth hub

The families of multiple Geelong and Collingwood players have been blocked from entering the Perth hub as the two teams begin their lockdown.
Club officials were on Saturday night scrambling to secure special exemption, but were all but certain some players’ partners and young children would have to remain in Melbourne.
Those affected include Geelong spearhead Tom Hawkins and superstar Paddy Dangerfield, as well as Collingwood fathers Adam Treloar, Scott Pendlebury, Travis Varcoe, Jack Crisp, Lynden Dunn and Will Hoskin-Elliott.
It means the players and coaches will almost certainly have to complete the two or three-week Perth hub and then contemplate an extension of the road trip in another interstate hub without their families.
The only Collingwood and Geelong players who have so far received special exemption for their families to self-isolate in Perth either have medical reasons or Western Australian family.
Geelong duo Sam Menegola and Rhys Stanley and Collingwood’s Chris Mayne were all granted permission to bring their family members across the Nullabor as they have WA-based family.
Jordan Roughead also received permission for his partner to be part of the Perth hub after a recent health issue.

It means Geelong and Collingwood players could be asked to play more games in Queensland or New South Wales after their Perth hub is complete.
But, unless their families are permitted to join them in the next hub, some players who are fathers may instead elect to return home to see their partners and children in Melbourne.
The Cats landed in Perth yesterday and will stay at Crown Perth, but have to catch a bus to a small area where they can go for a walk outside.
They are otherwise confined to the hotel and their hotel rooms and indoor common areas when they are not either training or playing.
The Perth hub is far more restrictive than the situation facing other teams in Sydney and Gold Coast.
Clubs sent to Queensland have been able to bring their family members and drive around in cars.
Geelong and Collingwood players yesterday wore masks on the plane flight from Sydney to Perth.
 
FreeTK said:
Wow... Very strict conditions in the WA hub:

Families of Collingwood and Geelong players blocked from entering Perth hub

The families of multiple Geelong and Collingwood players have been blocked from entering the Perth hub as the two teams begin their lockdown.
Club officials were on Saturday night scrambling to secure special exemption, but were all but certain some players’ partners and young children would have to remain in Melbourne.
Those affected include Geelong spearhead Tom Hawkins and superstar Paddy Dangerfield, as well as Collingwood fathers Adam Treloar, Scott Pendlebury, Travis Varcoe, Jack Crisp, Lynden Dunn and Will Hoskin-Elliott.
It means the players and coaches will almost certainly have to complete the two or three-week Perth hub and then contemplate an extension of the road trip in another interstate hub without their families.
The only Collingwood and Geelong players who have so far received special exemption for their families to self-isolate in Perth either have medical reasons or Western Australian family.
Geelong duo Sam Menegola and Rhys Stanley and Collingwood’s Chris Mayne were all granted permission to bring their family members across the Nullabor as they have WA-based family.
Jordan Roughead also received permission for his partner to be part of the Perth hub after a recent health issue.

It means Geelong and Collingwood players could be asked to play more games in Queensland or New South Wales after their Perth hub is complete.
But, unless their families are permitted to join them in the next hub, some players who are fathers may instead elect to return home to see their partners and children in Melbourne.
The Cats landed in Perth yesterday and will stay at Crown Perth, but have to catch a bus to a small area where they can go for a walk outside.
They are otherwise confined to the hotel and their hotel rooms and indoor common areas when they are not either training or playing.
The Perth hub is far more restrictive than the situation facing other teams in Sydney and Gold Coast.
Clubs sent to Queensland have been able to bring their family members and drive around in cars.
Geelong and Collingwood players yesterday wore masks on the plane flight from Sydney to Perth.
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Restrictions like this will see this Perth Hub being the one and only for the year in WA - that is unless restrictions are eased if the Vics get on top of Rona or there is a rethink by WA Govt.

IMO will also see WA omitted from the GF Hosting race.


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southcoast said:
Restrictions like this will see this Perth Hub being the one and only for the year in WA - that is unless restrictions are eased if the Vics get on top of Rona or there is a rethink by WA Govt.

IMO will also see WA omitted from the GF Hosting race.


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Tend to agree with your general premise.

If you want to host the Grand Final, you have to be willing to work together constructively. WA government want it all their own way.

On the other hand - I read a different article that said AFL is "aghast" at the numbers some of the Vic clubs have taken in to the hub.

North Melbourne has something like 91 people as part of their cohort.

It's not meant to be a holiday.
 
FreeTK said:
On the other hand - I read a different article that said AFL is "aghast" at the numbers some of the Vic clubs have taken in to the hub.

North Melbourne has something like 91 people as part of their cohort.

It's not meant to be a holiday.
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I think it’s nice that North are taking their members along.
 
BrotherDodge said:
Jesus, can North even afford to feed that many people?
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That number includes the very young and very old, two demographics not known for surviving long, arduous journeys. If North could afford plane tickets it wouldnt be a problem, but alas they could only scrounge enough cash to get a Greyhound bus to South Australia. They will be crossing the Nullabor on foot.

The weak who fall by the wayside will stock their storehouses for the duration of the hub.
 
southcoast said:
Restrictions like this will see this Perth Hub being the one and only for the year in WA - that is unless restrictions are eased if the Vics get on top of Rona or there is a rethink by WA Govt.

IMO will also see WA omitted from the GF Hosting race.


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Theres no doubt there and will see the eagles going back to hub life quicker than they think as it will be to hard to bring sides here...


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southcoast said:
Restrictions like this will see this Perth Hub being the one and only for the year in WA - that is unless restrictions are eased if the Vics get on top of Rona or there is a rethink by WA Govt.

IMO will also see WA omitted from the GF Hosting race.
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A singular WA hub is all that is required. 6 matches down already, 7 in the hub - that leaves just 4 matches remaining in the fixtured season.

Hub in WA, play 3 matches hubbing interstate other than Victoria and then finish in WA for the last match before finals against a non-top 8 side.


It is the hosting and fixturing of finals that is going to be the bigger issue - currently, in order for them to run as scheduled, all finals participants will need to have undergone quarantine prior to their commencement. Perhaps by October WA may have lightened restrictions on arrivals from states other than Victoria which will overcome much of this issue.


Also, I think those running the AFL would rather cancel the season than see the Grand Final hosted in WA.

My personal feeling is that the quarantine restrictions and cost of travel will be used as the excuse to exclude Perth as an option for Grand Final hosting, with it going to whichever ends up being the most 'neutral' to the finals participants out of Adelaide and Brisbane.

Sydney is far too much of a risk with the amount of Melbourne-Sydney people movement that has been going on, plus the former Olympic stadium at Homebush is not up to standard for any match, lest a Grand Final - there is a reason the state government there wanted to to get it knocked down.
 
ukurrie said:
What makes you say that?
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It would set a precedent. If Perth at the other end of the country can host the Grand Final, then it opens a can of worms in regard to the MCG contractual arrangement without any easy answers available. Adelaide is just an hour away by plane, it is less distance than Perth to Esperance, and can be explained as the closest geographical option available to honouring the MCG contract; Brisbane and Sydney can be explained as developing the game in the northern states; Perth however, has no similarly easy excuse. Give the Grand Final to Perth once and there becomes no reason that it cannot be hosted there again in the future. A successfully hosted Grand Final in Perth would without question lead to the current contractual monopolisation of the Grand Final by the MCG being upended - a fairer outcome for the national competition, but one that also runs contrary to the desired outcomes of significant political powerbrokers who hold the ear (and purse) of the league's governing body.

Take the following for eample:

In 2017 the AFL bought out the Docklands stadium for $200M.
https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/how-etihad-stadium-has-transformed-the-afl-into-a-financial-powerhouse-20180325-h0xx82

A year later the 2057 MCG Grand Final extension was announced along with $225M of government investment funding for Docklands stadium and the precinct surrounding it.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/137699/gf-at-mcg-until-2057-as-part-of-500m-megadeal

And just last month, the AFL sold a parcel of land abutting the Docklands stadium for $67M.
https://www.realestatesource.com.au/grocon-paying-afl-c67m-for-site-abutting-marvel-stadium/


There is a lot of money and politics tied up in this. The situation with the Grand Final is political capital in exchange for the financial windfall of several lifetimes. Neither party would want to compromise that arrangement by blowing up the knot that ties it together.
 
Dylan82 said:
It would set a precedent. If Perth at the other end of the country can host the Grand Final, then it opens a can of worms in regard to the MCG contractual arrangement without any easy answers available. Adelaide is just an hour away by plane, it is less distance than Perth to Esperance, and can be explained as the closest geographical option available to honouring the MCG contract; Brisbane and Sydney can be explained as developing the game in the northern states; Perth however, has no similarly easy excuse. Give the Grand Final to Perth once and there becomes no reason that it cannot be hosted there again in the future. A successfully hosted Grand Final in Perth would without question lead to the current contractual monopolisation of the Grand Final by the MCG being upended - a fairer outcome for the national competition, but one that also runs contrary to the desired outcomes of significant political powerbrokers who hold the ear (and purse) of the league's governing body.

Take the following for eample:

In 2017 the AFL bought out the Docklands stadium for $200M.
https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/how-etihad-stadium-has-transformed-the-afl-into-a-financial-powerhouse-20180325-h0xx82

A year later the 2057 MCG Grand Final extension was announced along with $225M of government investment funding for Docklands stadium and the precinct surrounding it.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/137699/gf-at-mcg-until-2057-as-part-of-500m-megadeal

And just last month, the AFL sold a parcel of land abutting the Docklands stadium for $67M.
https://www.realestatesource.com.au/grocon-paying-afl-c67m-for-site-abutting-marvel-stadium/


There is a lot of money and politics tied up in this. The situation with the Grand Final is political capital in exchange for the financial windfall of several lifetimes. Neither party would want to compromise that arrangement by blowing up the knot that ties it together.
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I love your insights Dylan
 

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Dylan82 said:
It would set a precedent. If Perth at the other end of the country can host the Grand Final, then it opens a can of worms in regard to the MCG contractual arrangement without any easy answers available. Adelaide is just an hour away by plane, it is less distance than Perth to Esperance, and can be explained as the closest geographical option available to honouring the MCG contract; Brisbane and Sydney can be explained as developing the game in the northern states; Perth however, has no similarly easy excuse. Give the Grand Final to Perth once and there becomes no reason that it cannot be hosted there again in the future. A successfully hosted Grand Final in Perth would without question lead to the current contractual monopolisation of the Grand Final by the MCG being upended - a fairer outcome for the national competition, but one that also runs contrary to the desired outcomes of significant political powerbrokers who hold the ear (and purse) of the league's governing body.

Take the following for eample:

In 2017 the AFL bought out the Docklands stadium for $200M.
https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/how-etihad-stadium-has-transformed-the-afl-into-a-financial-powerhouse-20180325-h0xx82

A year later the 2057 MCG Grand Final extension was announced along with $225M of government investment funding for Docklands stadium and the precinct surrounding it.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/137699/gf-at-mcg-until-2057-as-part-of-500m-megadeal

And just last month, the AFL sold a parcel of land abutting the Docklands stadium for $67M.
https://www.realestatesource.com.au/grocon-paying-afl-c67m-for-site-abutting-marvel-stadium/


There is a lot of money and politics tied up in this. The situation with the Grand Final is political capital in exchange for the financial windfall of several lifetimes. Neither party would want to compromise that arrangement by blowing up the knot that ties it together.
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I'm not sure the argument that Adelaide is just down the road from the MCG will hold all that much weight (although if we start seeing Richmond travel there twice a year maybe I am wrong).

The obvious choices seem to be Adelaide or Perth. Possibly Brisbane, but if they have actually been watching the footy in the QLD hubs they will realise conditions up there mean that the game would likely be scrappier.

Adelaide would, in the AFLs point of view be more neutral. Port are flying at the moment, but haven't won a premiership in 15 years. Adelaide won't make finals.

Perth is a larger venue, and arguably better (splitting hairs I think as they are both excellent). Obviously it would be a huge potential advantage for WC (we are expected to make finals). Freo are going ok at the moment. Probably not expected to make finals but are certainly still in the mix.

To me the major benefit Perth has is the time difference with the East Coast. As it is daylight savings time in October there will be a 3 hour time difference. That opens up prime time scheduling options (east coast, but that is where the TV audience is majority based), while still having a day/twilight game. This would be huge $ (and let's be honest, a 'soft' introduction to the night GF that the AFL has slowly been trying to talk the public into).

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shooshka said:
I'm not sure the argument that Adelaide is just down the road from the MCG will hold all that much weight (although if we start seeing Richmond travel there twice a year maybe I am wrong).

The obvious choices seem to be Adelaide or Perth. Possibly Brisbane, but if they have actually been watching the footy in the QLD hubs they will realise conditions up there mean that the game would likely be scrappier.

Adelaide would, in the AFLs point of view be more neutral. Port are flying at the moment, but haven't won a premiership in 15 years. Adelaide won't make finals.

Perth is a larger venue, and arguably better (splitting hairs I think as they are both excellent). Obviously it would be a huge potential advantage for WC (we are expected to make finals). Freo are going ok at the moment. Probably not expected to make finals but are certainly still in the mix.

To me the major benefit Perth has is the time difference with the East Coast. As it is daylight savings time in October there will be a 3 hour time difference. That opens up prime time scheduling options (east coast, but that is where the TV audience is majority based), while still having a day/twilight game. This would be huge $ (and let's be honest, a 'soft' introduction to the night GF that the AFL has slowly been trying to talk the public into).

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Good old Homebush - 70000 plus spectators and a state government that will show the AFL the money. It is in Western Sydney - Australias third largest economy after Sydney East then Melbourne. Would the AFL take the money and invest in a growth market?
 
ziad said:
Good old Homebush - 70000 plus spectators and a state government that will show the AFL the money. It is in Western Sydney - Australias third largest economy after Sydney East then Melbourne. Would the AFL take the money and invest in a growth market?
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It will be held at the MCG if spectators are the issue - as they are as likely to be allowed to attend Homebush as they are the MCG. Western Sydney is now a second epicenter (of a second wave).

They really do need to hold it (assuming they want capacity crowds) in a state that has achieved elimination (at least at the community transmission level) - QLD, WA, SA.

NT or Tassie would be options, but they don't have the capacity in their stadiums to make it worthwhile.
 
Dylan82 said:
It would set a precedent. If Perth at the other end of the country can host the Grand Final, then it opens a can of worms in regard to the MCG contractual arrangement without any easy answers available. Adelaide is just an hour away by plane, it is less distance than Perth to Esperance, and can be explained as the closest geographical option available to honouring the MCG contract; Brisbane and Sydney can be explained as developing the game in the northern states; Perth however, has no similarly easy excuse. Give the Grand Final to Perth once and there becomes no reason that it cannot be hosted there again in the future. A successfully hosted Grand Final in Perth would without question lead to the current contractual monopolisation of the Grand Final by the MCG being upended - a fairer outcome for the national competition, but one that also runs contrary to the desired outcomes of significant political powerbrokers who hold the ear (and purse) of the league's governing body.

Take the following for eample:

In 2017 the AFL bought out the Docklands stadium for $200M.
https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/how-etihad-stadium-has-transformed-the-afl-into-a-financial-powerhouse-20180325-h0xx82

A year later the 2057 MCG Grand Final extension was announced along with $225M of government investment funding for Docklands stadium and the precinct surrounding it.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/137699/gf-at-mcg-until-2057-as-part-of-500m-megadeal

And just last month, the AFL sold a parcel of land abutting the Docklands stadium for $67M.
https://www.realestatesource.com.au/grocon-paying-afl-c67m-for-site-abutting-marvel-stadium/


There is a lot of money and politics tied up in this. The situation with the Grand Final is political capital in exchange for the financial windfall of several lifetimes. Neither party would want to compromise that arrangement by blowing up the knot that ties it together.
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Don't agree with you about the AFL preferring to cancel the GF rather than play it in Perth.
I don't trust them but they're not that bad.

This year is pretty much a once in a life time event with covid.

Regardless where it is played this year, it will be back at the Gee after that.

The AFL don't care about the being locked in at the MCG otherwise they wouldn't have signed the deal.
 
Dylan82 said:
It would set a precedent. If Perth at the other end of the country can host the Grand Final, then it opens a can of worms in regard to the MCG contractual arrangement without any easy answers available. Adelaide is just an hour away by plane, it is less distance than Perth to Esperance, and can be explained as the closest geographical option available to honouring the MCG contract; Brisbane and Sydney can be explained as developing the game in the northern states; Perth however, has no similarly easy excuse. Give the Grand Final to Perth once and there becomes no reason that it cannot be hosted there again in the future. A successfully hosted Grand Final in Perth would without question lead to the current contractual monopolisation of the Grand Final by the MCG being upended - a fairer outcome for the national competition, but one that also runs contrary to the desired outcomes of significant political powerbrokers who hold the ear (and purse) of the league's governing body.
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The contract with the MCG doesn't just fall away completely because, due to extenuating circumstances, the AFL is prevented from playing the GF at the MCG in a given year.

I agree that it does create a slippery slope that the AFL/MCG/Vic Govt would prefer to avoid, but I see no reason why they can't put this down as a mere blip due to COVID-19 and we are back at the MCG for the GF next year and beyond because a binding contract is in place.
 

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