Preview Rnd 15 - Carlton v GWS Thurs 3rd Sept 7.10pm @ Metricon

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Anything we do now is infinitely better than what happen in the first half of 2019.

If comparing direct output then sure, however missing finals next year would be a harder pill to swallow imo.

 

[katmanblue]

One thing he can do is read the unfolding movement in front and spot up his other forwards. Plus, he can kick straight. He may only get the ball 8 times but if he can get others involved or clear a path, I'll go with that.

TDK is the future, but his spot duel was with Pitto and Levi at the end of the day. Gov offers more as a forward at the moment than TDK does.

Also helps spread the defenders. They have to respect him and so can't sag off and double team Cas or H. Which makes their lives a bit easier.

He might not get a stat for it but if he is stopping the others getting double teamed and they are kicking goals, then he is still contributing.

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[Arr0w]

Bounce the ball ffs

 

[RPCB]

I agree! What’s taking them so long? Just bounce the ****ing ball.

 

[WFGodot]

GWS are very tall.

Cameron.Himmelberg.Riccardi.Finlayson.

Perhaps Levi plays back this week.


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Well, they are the GIANTS. Sorry, couldn’t resist. Yes, Levi is an obvious option down back.

 

[myblueroan]

Bounce the ball ffs

Not long horsies.

 

[myblueroan]

4 q. Effort please.
Also
Win please. And I don't mean whinnie.

 

[BoundbyKreuze]

Cottrell —> Greene
Curnow —> Whitfield
Cripps —> forward line
McGovern —> backline (spare)
Jones —> himmelberg
Williamson (Riccardi)

Docherty —> lloyd
SPS —> Daniels

Newnes —>Whitfield (could even go with Cottrell if it doesn’t work)
Walsh —> perryman (head to head)

Casboult needs to have in influence that forces Okeefe to go to him allowing mckay to get corr or force them to go one on one. Haynes needs to be made accountable so Jack Martin or Cripps to go near him to force him to defend. I think Cripps forward will be a smart move particularly if he stays in the square all day.

 

[johnno73]

I’m watching the collingwood replay and dow wasn’t too bad getting to the contest first game back. Will be eager to back it up

I was at the game and watched Dow as closely as i could (was up high)
He didn't disgrace himself by any stretch and was willing in the contest, faded in the last but wasn't a lone soldier there...
I am still quite bullish on Paddy but think it's going to be a slow burn. (hope the club brings Diesel back to help him again )
It was awesome to hear the predominantly Carlton crowd give a rousing cheer when he ran on early in the game
He's quite popular up here. Go Blues !

 

[HARKER]

Crush I don’t know how any supporter can say this. We have had injuries to various players that should have allowed him to step up, he is in his 3rd year of football and has gone backwards at a massive rate (he played seasons 1 and 2), we are in a condensed season where most teams have rested players , yet he is no where near it.

I feel the only reason why people say what you replied to me is, they can’t bring themselves to accept what’s happening in front of them because it means we have stuffed up and we aren’t in the position we all expected.

2018: 18 games
2019: 17 games
2020: 0 games

He hasn’t been injured, I’m not sure how a kid who goes 18 games, 17 games to zero is fine.

Re O'Brien - He's as fine as any player on the list may be seen to be for now, but on evidence.....not so much so.
We've played 34 players to date, including Lang, Cottrell, Polson, Honey over O'Brien and I dare say it could have more if Marchbank, CCurnow, Kemp and Stocker weren't injured or had issues.
Whatever reason one may front up with, the evidence to date shows up he isn't being favoured over almost any of our playing list....and if it's only the wing he can play....,Newnes and Cottrell are ahead for now. Maybe next week?

Would have been hard to imagine us putting out a team with Pittonet, Cottrell, Newnes and Polson all involved at the start of the year.
Strange times.

 

[myblueroan]

I am a teensy bit terrified about tonite.

 

[Revenant1995]

I am a teensy bit terrified about tonite.

I'm not terrified... Just resigned to the possibility of anything from a 2 goal win to up to an 8 goal loss... Anything outside that and I'll have a massive hangover tomorrow... Hopefully it's because I am celebrating seeing a win...

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Cottrell —> Greene
Curnow —> Whitfield
Cripps —> forward line
McGovern —> backline (spare)
Jones —> himmelberg
Williamson (Riccardi)

Docherty —> lloyd
SPS —> Daniels

Newnes —>Whitfield (could even go with Cottrell if it doesn’t work)
Walsh —> perryman (head to head)

Casboult needs to have in influence that forces Okeefe to go to him allowing mckay to get corr or force them to go one on one. Haynes needs to be made accountable so Jack Martin or Cripps to go near him to force him to defend. I think Cripps forward will be a smart move particularly if he stays in the square all day.

I like Cottrell on Whitfield, he has the running ability. I think Whitfield is a little quick for Ed and Ed is great in close and Whitfield will take him outside.
For me Doc to Greene. Give the skipper the big job and he is probably the only one physically strong enough and a chance in the air considering we will have all the taller guys trying to cover their tall forwards.
Will be interesting to see how the other skipper Cripps goes. Going to get a very hard tag again. He really has to beat one of these guys soon.
Probably the most exciting game for the year in terms of seeing where the group is at.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Expecting a valiant 5 goal loss, but would not be surprised if GWS come out guns blazing and rip us by 10+ goals.

 

[La Dispute]

I think the club is happy to close out the year getting crucial gametime into some younger guys, hence Polson, Dow still in, Cottrell coming back. The improvement in our gamestyle is clear, but there's no real benefit in pushing our best 22 out given we can no longer make the finals. I think we will roll out some seriously inexperienced teams in the coming games.

I'm a little concerned we are going to get smashed, but in this COVID-affected season that's only a 30-point deficit.

 

[Coops93]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cripps line up forward a fair bit tonight. It's been talked about for a long time, but if you're not going to do it when we're coming off a 4 day break and he's under an injury cloud then it's never going to happen.

I'd expect a Fyfe type split between mid/forward. About 70%fwd/30%on ball.

 

[Lace_Out]

Can't believe Polson is still in. Cunners would of been a better fit.
Just give him a pure negating role and hope he doesn't need to kick the footy, handball at all cost. He just doesn't seem to have the composure for the top level unfortunately.

Hopefully we can continue our nice transitional work and run the ball out of defense all night with the height they are going in with.

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[Mezzoculo]

No Plow! Who am I gonna blame for the loss now?

Gibbo.... oh, wait...

 

[Blue Chip Pass]

He needs someone to kick properly to him - because he is the only forward (apart from Jack)_who actually leads and he needs someone to kick to- positioned or running to advantage. McGovern is a footballer - not an expert in picking up meaningless stats.

Put Charlie in the goal square and get everyone else to spread well away from there - and the bomb it to him will work. Harry doesn't have the one on one strength yet to play that FF role and Levi for whatever reason doesn't like to lead unless he is running down the boundary as the target. The biggest problem we have in forward lines is the refusal of our talls to spread - instead they huddle together and make like ducks. Very frustrating to watch - and encourages silly looking entries.

Between the arcs ex Cripps we are very predictable lacking link play - purposeful or not I don't know. So the team makes hard work of even getting out of defensive fifty as opposition learn to push up - the down the boundary hail mary stuff doesn't work against better-drilled defences and structures or when Levi is the target - even if he marks the ball he is slow to act and telegraphs his kicks like an invitation to intercept. Still it isn't really Levi's fault that we have non marking wingmen in Walsh and Newnes or Setterfield - who are only used in shorter kicks as the whole of Carlton is squeezed backwards by most defences.

The more outside on ballers like Murphy and Dow aren't center of the field runners - I don't think Murph has the stamina he used to have or the speed - and Dow is learning everything including how to tackle.

Teague has got enough role players to play in Gibbons/Cottrell/Newnes blokes that can run all day - but none of them are game breakers. Walsh is the bloke who has developed a more damaging ability playing on the wing - but the cost of him there or Setterfield there is to weaken the contested and through the middle capability of the team.

The fast way to opposition goal - through the center is denied to Carlton - so the side typically clocks up more running than the opposition and that is why we are seeing the team fade at times.

Teague has to stop with the one speed game if he wants to give the team an opportunity to learn how to control the tempo of the game and until the player on field have the skill to execute keepings off and run the opposition around for a while - the whole game style whilst attractive to watch at times - is easy pickings for the better sides.

Run is only as useful as the skill that the player has - it is overrated by blokes who have never played a contact sport at any level worth talking about. Skill and ability to execute under pressure will destroy the helter-skelter fellas - every time - we don't get beaten by better runners - we get beaten by smarter and more skilled footballers.

Great post, again.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I hope Curnow goes to Whitfield. My supercoach team will suffer but he will do the job.
Whitfield doesn't participate in may centre bounces, therefore I'm not convinced Teague will like that but for mine, it's the perfect opportunity to have a Cripps, Setterfield and Walsh line up in there with rotations of Martin, Dow, Fisher (oh wait ), Murphy, Kennedy (oh wait ).

 

[Macca43]

We could, but I don't think we get that close to a finals berth if we start resting the older blokes. Would rather fall short by one win playing the vets than fall short by 3 playing kids before they're ready.

And I reckon there's less need for the club to "take a look" at some players than we as fans want for ourselves. The coaches and LM team will already have a good idea which guys are worth persisting with, so games should only be given to those who have genuinely earned a spot.

Dow is a good example. I know we were at odds on this point recently, but his game against Collingwood highlighted why I was against bringing him back this year. I do think we need to persist now that he's in, could be very damaging to drop him, but I still don't think he's mentally ready to play the game he needs to play. Hope he proves me wrong, that'd make me incredibly happy.

On Dow, to me it showed why he needs to be playing seniors. He has been dominating the scratch matches but not developing, you would have to admit it would have been a massive change to go from playing 12 a side scratch matches to a game with 125 tackles.

I am still confident that if they play him at the top level for the next 4 games he will improve dramatically on what we saw last week.

 

[Blues4lyfe]

Pretty happy with the ins, just thought though that this was the perfect opportunity to bring in Marchbank for Plowman

 

[Coops93]

I hope Curnow goes to Whitfield. My supercoach team will suffer but he will do the job.
Whitfield doesn't participate in may centre bounces, therefore I'm not convinced Teague will like that but for mine, it's the perfect opportunity to have a Cripps, Setterfield and Walsh line up in there with rotations of Martin, Dow, Fisher (oh wait ), Murphy, Kennedy (oh wait ).

I don't think so, Whitfield is an out and out wingman and while Curnows tank is elite, Whitfield has speed that Ed doesn't so he'd still probably get off him.

I wouldn't mind seeing Cottrell sit on him. Has the tank and speed to go with him from a physical perspective and it'd be a great learning opportunity for him.

 

[HBF]

Probably protecting the kid from Mummy literally crushing him?

Totally agree, but his form has been pretty good.
Hopefully he comes back in against Sydney.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I don't think so, Whitfield is an out and out wingman and while Curnows tank is elite, Whitfield has speed that Ed doesn't so he'd still probably get off him.

I wouldn't mind seeing Cottrell sit on him. Has the tank and speed to go with him from a physical perspective and it'd be a great learning opportunity for him.

I believe Curnow has played on quicker more elusive players, i.e.. Neil.