Bluemour Melting Pot XXVIII

[bmaurizio]

I think that we’ll be happy with J.Boyd ex Bulldog, good speed , kick & distributes the ball ok too, hard enough , will shut down a small/medium forward.
I hope he gets a game soon, obviously Jorden will need time to adjust but the lad can play.

 

[Wickzki]

Plowman is the single good lockdown defender we had...I think the club was hoping that SPS or Stocker would be lockdown defenders. Not happening as well as they expected. If what people are saying about Jordan Boyd and his ability of play lockdown defender, I'll be stoked. It leaves SPS and Stocks to run off the the centre.

Plow is good. Underrated in his role. Can be made to look silly against the wrong opponent. Hence why we need a proper lockdown small. Amazes me the job Plow has done on Papley and Cameron at times.

If Boyd can fill that role then it'll be a huge win and problem solved. But there's an analogy about counting chooks.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Plow certainly has a place in the back six. When he makes an error it stands out but on the whole, I believe he's underrated.

Weiters - Jones - Plow - [lockdown defender] - [third tall] - Saad/Doc

What we really need is an improvement over Newman who plays his heart out but isn't quite enough. Right now we're also playing Stocker, Williams, SPS, etc. to plug that hole.

Perhaps that's the role Brodie Kemp will be introduced to moving forward if they envision him being a part of the back six.

Plowman has had decent games on mid/fwds and he’s been pretty laser accurate this year. SPS is training as mid/fwd now so he’s out of the picture.
I actually think the Williams for doch move was pretty savvy. Both have blossomed since and as soon as doch went down back for Newman we started to look really shaky again.
If we look back from last year Williamson actually took over for newman when he went down so I believe the coaching staff have always seen newman as a starting 22 player. I think he’s good enough for now but you’re probably right.

I really do hope that Kemp becomes a genuine swing man for us. I think he’ll be able to help up forward eventually as well. Needs time though.
However, I would like stocker to really stay in the one role for now.. why change it up again? He’s been pretty good in this new role and has been through a hell of a baptism of fire. Why not keep him down back and see if he’s learnt more on the job… maybe he’s the one who becomes just that for us. Dan Houston type.. plays down back and moves up the ground when asked to. He’s just beginning to get some continuity in the role. I would persevere.

 

[xDQ82x]

First opportunity to post (kids I tell ya)

2 to 3 more assistants to go as part of the review

Story around Barker slightly different to the public one but all in all he's gone.

Teague safe. My man seen many coaches but actually fan of Teague doesn't think it's his issue.

Big focus on development

All in all nothing new just coroborated (spelling) from another source.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Different game styles now. Gov would be the tertiary target. Wouldn't be counting on him to kick 3-4 goals every week (e.g. Spalding wasn't needing to kick bags because Sticks and Pearce were). If he can bob up with one or two and open up the game for McKay and Curnow he would be satisfying that role well.

When he's fit, McGov's physicality is underrated. Draws a big-bodied defender on him almost every time. This means you can't double-team McKay or Curnow. Too many of our forward forays are stopped because everyone crashes McKay.

Alleviating the pressure on both is his gig.

Yep, there’s a fair bit of that I agree with, I think Charlie is the key to taking pressure off Harry though, Gov could just roam free

I also am pretty keen on having Jack in my forward line and doubt we could fit all 4 in, be a nice problem to have...

 

[xDQ82x]

Also posted in other forum I was happy to hear the number on harrys deal. Thought it was fair.

 

[xDQ82x]

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[Wickzki]

I also am pretty keen on having Jack in my forward line and doubt we could fit all 4 in, be a nice problem to have...

The thing about having a player as determined as Jack is that there'll almost always be a role that he can play.

Might not always be in the forward line but when it's not he could slide down back (as could Gov) but also play that determined tagger role like he did when he shut down Fyfe.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Plowman is the single good lockdown defender we had...I think the club was hoping that SPS or Stocker would be lockdown defenders. Not happening as well as they expected. If what people are saying about Jordan Boyd and his ability of play lockdown defender, I'll be stoked. It leaves SPS and Stocks to run off the the centre.

I really hope they didn’t think that of either of them, I’d be even more concerned about our MC’s thought process

SPS and Stocker are mids, especially Liam, and he’ll be a beauty...

 

[Dramoth]

I really hope they didn’t think that of either of them, I’d be even more concerned about our MC’s thought process

SPS and Stocker are mids, especially Liam, and he’ll be a beauty...

Totally agree that they should be playing in the middle. Would be a massive shock for opposition players to find them there.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Plow is good. Underrated in his role. Can be made to look silly against the wrong opponent. Hence why we need a proper lockdown small. Amazes me the job Plow has done on Papley and Cameron at times.

If Boyd can fill that role then it'll be a huge win and problem solved. But there's an analogy about counting chooks.

The only thing we 'need' is good players and a method that maximises our intake of 'said' good players. We are always reaching, be it through trade or through the draft, for players that fill a particular theme (or themes) of the year. With the depleted draft stocks that are leftover, we think we can do more of the same. It's an extension of the saviour mentality and it's wasteful. The players we choose barely fit the minimum requirements for their roles, if at all, and we have nothing left over to be a bit more creative with. We need players that make things happen and keep the opposition guessing. I'm sick of us chasing our own tails when it comes to list management. We are not going to be able to save games, we need to win them. Sorry for the rant, and it's not directed at you but I thought I had to say it.

 

[Manhattanite]

Different game styles now. Gov would be the tertiary target. Wouldn't be counting on him to kick 3-4 goals every week (e.g. Spalding wasn't needing to kick bags because Sticks and Pearce were). If he can bob up with one or two and open up the game for McKay and Curnow he would be satisfying that role well.

When he's fit, McGov's physicality is underrated. Draws a big-bodied defender on him almost every time. This means you can't double-team McKay or Curnow. Too many of our forward forays are stopped because everyone crashes McKay.

Alleviating the pressure on both is his gig.

Just wanted to also point out that McGovern was also brought in because of Teague - Teague wanted to replicate the forward line he had installed as the forwards coach at Adelaide and he preferred having someone in from that system and the easiest get was McGovern. So while we may want to say it’s SOS who got it wrong and/or overpaid, it was very likely Teague who pushed for that to happen after his first year at the Blues (as an assistant coach).


McGovern has only shown glimpses of his value - and a lot will have to go right for it to click for him but the potential remains. It’s just that he’s 26 now and he will need to accept a much lower contract next time.






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[Weiterbot23]

Two of which will be lucky to be on a list at the end of the year and another that we recruited as a mid.

They were in addition to the 4...

Stop playing silly games, do you think Saad was a desperate need?

 

[Coops93]

Teague safe. My man seen many coaches but actually fan of Teague doesn't think it's his issue.

Not sure I like this. Purely because no one should be safe before the review has even happened.

 

[RoyalParade]

First opportunity to post (kids I tell ya)

2 to 3 more assistants to go as part of the review

Story around Barker slightly different to the public one but all in all he's gone.

Teague safe. My man seen many coaches but actually fan of Teague doesn't think it's his issue.

Big focus on development

All in all nothing new just coroborated (spelling) from another source.

If I was a betting man, I'd put some on Lloyd clearing out his locker at the end of the season.

 

[xDQ82x]

If I was a betting man, I'd put some on Lloyd clearing out his locker at the end of the season.

He did caveat in the fact that we need to win games for him to be truly safe but I thought this a redundant and obvious statement that I didn't post it.

Plus I had to many scotches last night and was trying to make sure I didn't post anything I wasn't supposed to.

 

[jimmyshell]

I always read posters lamenting about how they can’t believe Player X is on $XXXk a year and is always injured therefore taking up so much of our salary cap.

But surely it’s written into players contracts that they are paid significantly less during periods of injury?

Gov has played 30 odd games for us (?), surely his no where near cashed in the $700k per year for that.

Can someone shed some light on how number of games is incentivised in a players contract?

 

[majesticseacapt]

I actually think the Williams for doch move was pretty savvy

Imagine if we played the majority of our players in their best position..

 

[Coops93]

I always read posters lamenting about how they can’t believe Player X is on $XXXk a year and is always injured therefore taking up so much of our salary cap.

But surely it’s written into players contracts that they are paid significantly less during periods of injury?

Gov has played 30 odd games for us (?), surely his no where near cashed in the $700k per year for that.

Can someone shed some light on how number of games is incentivised in a players contract?

I don't actually know, but I'd be surprised if the AFLPA allowed these sorts of things into every players contract. Maybe in certain circumstances for certain players it would be but I'd be surprised if it was every players contract.

 

[RAPPA]

Barker interviewed on SEN this morning. A bit of the theme was that it was an all-consuming job including added pressures recently with the reduction in the soft cap.

Disappointing that he wasn't asked if he was going to participate in the review.

 

[branedotorg]

I don't actually know, but I'd be surprised if the AFLPA allowed these sorts of things into every players contract. Maybe in certain circumstances for certain players it would be but I'd be surprised if it was every players contract.

I think the 700k would include match payment so it's sort of correct. Like you I can't imagine the PA allowing any other injury 'penalty'

 

[Coops93]

I think the 700k would include match payment so it's sort of correct. Like you I can't imagine the PA allowing any other injury 'penalty'

I suppose another thing to consider is injuries would prevent players from reaching bonuses i.e. playing 15 games a season or kicking x amount of goals, so the top end of the contract can't be reached.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Also posted in other forum I was happy to hear the number on harrys deal. Thought it was fair.

I suspect he wanted the shorter deal, $ the appropriate compromise from our perspective

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

I don't actually know, but I'd be surprised if the AFLPA allowed these sorts of things into every players contract. Maybe in certain circumstances for certain players it would be but I'd be surprised if it was every players contract.

You'd be surprised by what the AFLPA does and doesn't do. Paper tigers on the vast majority of issues.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Not sure I like this. Purely because no one should be safe before the review has even happened.

Doesn't really matter provided "his man" is not one of the three on the review panel.