Autopsy Round 15 = Collingwood 79-91 Fremantle

[jackcass]

Well if one player plays 100% of his game time forward 50 and the other is playing further up the ground and taking on relieving rucking duties, I would be very surprised he would have more inside 50 possessions. And given Cox only had 3 all game v 2 (as you have pointed out), this really isn't a strong argument that Cameron needs to work on his inside 50 impact to be as strong as Cox. In fact, Cameron kicked a goal, and Cox failed to do. What impact did Cox have without the footy? He is liability.

If Cox wasn't playing and Cameron played the inside 50 role like he has, we probably would have won the game, because as we have seen, Cameron can get more than 6 disposals a game and has kicked goals. Against Melbourne he kicked 4, and has kicked 3 goals on 2 other occasions this season.

Whereas Cox, has an inside 50 forward hasn't kicked a goal in his last 2 AFL games. As a key forward having played 75 games with such as height advantage, he has been very poor the past 2 seasons.

Completely missing my point. I thought Cameron had the better game. I was just highlighting he offers little inside F50 when he doesn’t mark the footy. Lacks 2nd & 3rd efforts, and poor defensively. Cox better in those aspects. Cameron himself had 2 goals in 4 games before nailing a few against the Dees, Checkers likewise.

 

[Kappa]

Actually that decision was beyond a howler, it should have got the grub taken off immediately and kicked down to the sub district league permanently.
As for Maynard I can understand his frustration with such a brain dead call even if I can't condone giving away a vital free.

The media reaction is typical by the way - gloss over the worst umpiring decision of the year and instead focus on a deeply frustrated young man's reaction to an obvious howler by painting it as the actions of a mass murderer.

They have Collingwood in their sights and they won't relent.

Ump howlers happen all the time just like player howlers, Maynard gave away two 50s in reality for no reason, I mean what’s the point in arguing over the call is made and not giving the ball back?

 

[jackcass]

Didn’t see much of the game today to have a fair grasp on play but wondering (and as good as he can be), are we a better side at the moment without Grundy in the team?

Short answer, no. Longer answer, no.

 

[sr36]

Madge can be shot into the sun without a return ticket.

No point in persisting with him IMO - tries hard and good on him but is well off the level.

I think you're blowing the footy department cap on rockets.

 

[LarryKinn]

This game was lost at the selection table
Cox and Madgen instead of Kelly(Sier) and Keane doomed us
Development from here on is priority #1

 

[KrispyKremePie]

Have you seen the sheer size of Darcy? He is a monster. And very quickly joining the big 3 rucks this year, you only have to look at his last 6-8 weeks of football. His next contract (end of this year?) will see him get PAID. So yes as of right now it hurts (the $$ difference) but Darcy is a gun when fit and will get paid accordingly.
Freo’s midfield also shits over ours LOL - Brayshaw Cerra Serong Mundy are all good inside mids, Mundy and Brayshaw both very good clearance mids too. Our midfield sucks balls, just admit that and then you might not wonder why we get beaten on occasion. We can’t ever move forward if we keep relying on Pendles to save our ass every week. Adams is our only true clearance player. We missed JDG today.

Yes Brodie is an AA footballer and his contract won’t hurt us if we structure it right, but what I’m saying is blokes calling him out to be dropped and saying we are a better team without him are nonsensical.

There is no way Darcy will be getting a contract as big as Grundy’s…


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[Kappa]

That decision against Maynard is the worst umpiring decision I've ever seen on a football field. I actually don't blame him for losing his sh*t over it either. An absolutely disgraceful call. That umpire must go back to the VFL for a lengthy period of time.

So you'd be happy for Maynard to give away a crucial 50metre penalty in a grand final if a bad call goes against him...?

 

[jathanas]

This game was lost at the selection table
Cox and Madgen instead of Kelly(Sier) and Keane doomed us
Development from here on is priority #1

I was puzzled by the selection of Cox... Madge

 

[Billys Back]

Completely missing my point. I thought Cameron had the better game. I was just highlighting he offers little inside F50 when he doesn’t mark the footy. Lacks 2nd & 3rd efforts, and poor defensively. Cox better in those aspects. Cameron himself had 2 goals in 4 games before nailing a few against the Dees, Checkers likewise.

Yeah I get it. But completely disagree that he lacks 2nd and 3rd efforts and is poor defensively in comparison to Cox. I’m still trying to work out what Cox offers.

Cameron is above average in almost every category including 2.4 tackles a game. Cox is at 1 tackle per game. He is a liability when the ball isn’t in the air. Where’s his defensive pressure you are talking about because I haven’t seen it.

 

[Billys Back]

This game was lost at the selection table
Cox and Madgen instead of Kelly(Sier) and Keane doomed us
Development from here on is priority #1

I hope Tohill gets a game this year.

 

[Billys Back]

There is no way Darcy will be getting a contract as big as Grundy’s…


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Not sure any ruckman will

 

[hellfire]

Maynard invited that 50m penalty. I love Maynard because of his passion so I'll accept the good with the bad. I do hope he learns from it though.

Yeah he did, I was referring to the initial free against. No contact from Maynard, and he was pushed in the throat in the contest. Howler.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Yeah he did, I was referring to the initial free against. No contact from Maynard, and he was pushed in the throat in the contest. Howler.

Agreed far too many people both here and in the general public got sucked in AGAIN by the media hit squad.
The free kick was worse than a howler it was - at best - absolutely incompetent.
Maynard earned the penalty but that grub umpire provoked it.

 

[JM#1]

Actually that decision was beyond a howler, it should have got the grub taken off immediately and kicked down to the sub district league permanently.
As for Maynard I can understand his frustration with such a brain dead call even if I can't condone giving away a vital free.

The media reaction is typical by the way - gloss over the worst umpiring decision of the year and instead focus on a deeply frustrated young man's reaction to an obvious howler by painting it as the actions of a mass murderer.

They have Collingwood in their sights and they won't relent.

And it wasn't a free kick against Caleb Daniel after he punched Gaff in the head. Haha, these umpires are embarrassing.

 

[Moore of the Same]

Agreed far too many people both here and in the general public got sucked in AGAIN by the media hit squad.
The free kick was worse than a howler it was - at best - absolutely incompetent.
Maynard earned the penalty but that grub umpire provoked it.

Players are starting to get over the umpiring BS. More often than usual I'm seeing guys flip out at the umpires for their calls, and what I can only describe as vindictive responses by the umpires. That melbourne vs bombers game last night was absolutely atrocious and its only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Players are starting to get over the umpiring BS. More often than usual I'm seeing guys flip out at the umpires for their calls, and what I can only describe as vindictive responses by the umpires. That melbourne vs bombers game last night was absolutely atrocious and its only the tip of the iceberg.

I'm pretty much convinced the umpires are under pressure from above which is why they are overreacting.
The League's obsession with evening every contest no matter the consequences for the individual player has turned it into an umpiring nightmare.
The umpires are pathetic but the real villains sit in AFL house.

 

[Moore of the Same]

I'm pretty much convinced the umpires are under pressure from above which is why they are overreacting.
The League's obsession with evening every contest no matter the consequences for the individual player has turned it into an umpiring nightmare.
The umpires are pathetic but the real villains sit in AFL house.

Oh I wholeheartedly agree. Umpires are absolutely crucified by the AFL, so with a couple of exceptions (I'd run through Chamberlain weekly if I was playing) I dont think they're entirely to blame.

 

[anshell]

I saw a replay of the game today.We weren’t great,but we weren’t terrible either.A typical Collingwood performance this year,you might say.What really cost us were two bad lapses,late in the first quarter and late in the second quarter when they out scored us six goals to nil.If we hadn’t let them off the chain in those periods then we almost certainly would have won.

I think our problem is more of a personnel problem than a coaching one to be honest.We lack an elite clearance player,a strong marking key forward,and a lively crumbing small forward.Most clubs have one or even two of these players,but we haven’t had one for years,for some strange reason.I think a failure of our rectuing these sorts of players has hurt us more than coaching has in recent years.Our next coach,whoever that is,is going to struggle to get the team going forward if we don’t fill the holes in our list.We’ve just made so many recruiting mistakes in the last seven years or so,and it’s really making us pay now.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Oh I wholeheartedly agree. Umpires are absolutely crucified by the AFL, so with a couple of exceptions (I'd run through Chamberlain weekly if I was playing) I dont think they're entirely to blame.

Chamberlain I happily turn around after running through and do it as often as he got up again - slimeball.

 

[the big lebowski]

Just wanted to say that free against Maynard needs to be explained and apologised for. Everyone makes mistakes but that umpire either clearly didn’t see what happened and guessed or has no appreciation for the game. It was as bad as that Zurhaar deliberate when we played you.

FFS!

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I remember his first ever ruck contest, he just flew at the ball.
Now he watches his opponent until the last moment and then looks at the ball.

This is so so so true. It happens every single Center bounce.

 

[Visions]

Not sure any ruckman will

No ruckman is worth a million a year (including Grundy) and rightfully so and teams won’t be dumb enough to pay them that (except ours). In fact very few players period are worth and paid that amount.

 

[Apex36]

No ruckman is worth a million a year (including Grundy) and rightfully so and teams won’t be dumb enough to pay them that (except ours). In fact very few players period are worth and paid that amount.

Grundy isn’t being paid a million a year. That’s a false rhetoric.

 

[Swooper18]

In Robert Harvey's first game as coach since the departure of Nathan Buckley, Collingwood were competitive, yet numerous lapses of concentration and execution in defence allowed Fremantle to close out the game and prevail by 2 goals (12 points). In the opening term, the Magpies had the ascendancy early in general play, but conversion on the scoreboard kept the Dockers in it, who were then able to claim a slender lead at the first change. The second term was played almost entirely on Fremantle's terms where they put on significant scoreboard pressure, which Collingwood could not do during that period. After half time, the Woods found themselves staring down the barrel with a deficit of over 4 goals during the third term, before clawing back significant momentum until the Dockers hit back late in the quarter to establish a handy buffer of 18 points at the last change. The opening 5 minutes of the last quarter was all Collingwood, where they booted 3 goals to draw scores level within the opening 6 minutes, before a diabolical umpiring decision and 50-metre penalty gifted Freo the lead. The Magpies kept coming after that indiscretion and had the lead approaching time on at the 20-minute mark of the 4th quarter, until the Dockers had their kicking boots on when it counted to consign Collingwood to their most recent defeat. Of all the games that Freo have played this season, their goalkicking accuracy prevented Collingwood from getting Robert Harvey off to a flyer.

Collingwood won their statistical categories from disposals by +54 (400 - 346), kicks were won by +40 (238 - 198), handballs had a margin of +14 (162 - 148), while contested possessions were up by +4 (124 - 120), uncontested possessions had a differential of +62 (270 - 218), and +5 for intercept possessions (65 - 60). Hit-outs went Collingwood's way by +9 (29 - 20), tackles were won by +22 (56 - 34), with Tackles Inside 50 up by +7 (10 - 3). Uncontested marks were in favour of the Magpies by +36 (113 - 77), as were Contested Marks by +8 (16 - 8), while Marks Inside 50 had an advantage of +5 (14 - 9). Fremantle won their categories from clearances by +11 (34 - 23), with centre clearances up by +1 (14 - 13), while the Dockers doubled the stoppage clearances differential by +10 (20 - 10). The Dockers were then able to cap off their dominance from stoppages on the Inside 50s count, which they won by +4 (51 - 47).

Taylor Adams (32 disposals @ 59%, 491 metres gained, 15 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 13 handballs, 4 marks, 6 tackles, 7 score involvements, 7 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 9 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) won plenty of the ball in the clinches, but he made skill errors when he found time and space to dispose the ball effectively. Adams had 9 Inside 50s without being accurate nor effective whenever he pumped the ball inside 50 to Collingwood's forwards.

Jack Crisp (30 disposals @ 70%, 466 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 12 handballs, 9 marks, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 7 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) continued his strong form in the midfield with a workmanlike performance. Supported Adams nicely throughout the game, although I would think the pair of them will need to work on the kick going inside Collingwood's forward line before their next game.

Scott Pendlebury (29 disposals @ 76%, 160 metres gained, 15 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 19 handballs, 2 marks, 3 tackles, 5 score involvements, 8 clearances, 7 centre clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) had a high-volume game of handpasses that released teammates into open space and out of congestion of which he displayed exemplary poise. The Dockers were unfortunately able to reduce the amount of kicks that Pendlebury would normally have, which caused him to gain fewer metres with his possessions. Very solid game nonetheless from a skipper who leads by his actions all the time.

Steele Sidebottom (25 disposals @ 88%, 362 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 25 uncontested possessions, 13 kicks, 12 handballs, 10 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 7 score involvements, 5 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) played his best game in weeks, where he was sharper with his gathering skills and hit the vast majority of his targets in general play and kicked an early goal to get his confidence levels up. Kept working hard across the ground to be a marking outlet on the wings so his teammates could use him when he was available.

Brodie Grundy (22 disposals @ 68%, 219 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 27 hit-outs, 8 kicks, 14 handballs, 7 marks, 3 Contested Marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 7 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) made a reasonable return to AFL footy without dominating his position completely. It was nice to watch Grundy take more marks and have an impact on the scoreboard up forward. Grundy's clearance numbers were not acceptable, and I want him to take ownership of this element next weekend.

Will Hoiskin-Elliott (17 disposals @ 82%, 466 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 13 kicks, 4 handballs, 3 marks, 4 goal assists, 7 score involvements, 7 Inside 50s & 1 goal) had significant scoreboard impact from fewer disposals on the wing and across half-forward with plenty of goals created and chimed in with one major himself. Hoskin-Elliott was not able to take many marks, but that did not deter him from being a viable option to create chances.

Brayden Maynard (27 disposals @ 89%, 661 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 23 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 22 kicks, 5 handballs, 8 marks, 6 tackles, 3 score involvements & 6 Rebound 50s) was arguably Collingwood's best defender throughout the game by kicking long with accuracy, took marks to maintain possession, and applied excellent tackling pressure. Maynard should not have been penalised against Liam Henry for front-on contact, as Henry was the perpetrator who put his hands on Brayden Maynard's throat, which then resulted in that 50-metre penalty to gift the Dockers an easy goal.

Chris Mayne (24 disposals @ 92%, 198 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 8 handballs, 10 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements & 2 Rebound 50s) stuck to his limitations when he chose to kick or handpass the ball after he took his marks. Made good decisions to hit targets with short kicks to maintain possession instead of taking risks for greater rewards.

Jordan Roughead (19 disposals @ 95%, 216 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 4 handballs, 13 marks, 2 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) demonstrated his aerial prowess and strength to expertly judge the flight of the ball to take his marks. Roughead chose the same path as Mayne to pass the ball safely without turning the ball over.

Jack Madgen (19 disposals @ 79%, 291 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 8 handballs, 6 marks, 2 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) showed he could hold his marks. Despite this impressive display, he made a host of brain farts behind the ball that gave the Dockers every chance to kick goals.

John Noble (18 disposals @ 72%, 274 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 7 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 2 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) took plenty of risks and showed plenty of dare. Usually those traits serve the team well. Against the Dockers, those traits went pear-shaped.

Nathan Murphy (15 disposals @ 87%, 181 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 7 handballs, 8 marks & 2 tackles) backed himself in to take marks behind the ball, but did nothing else.

Darcy Cameron (15 disposals @ 73%, 164 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 2 hit-outs, 9 kicks, 6 handballs, 7 marks, 4 Contested Marks, 4 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements & 1 goal) kicked Collingwood's first goal of the game, and clunked plenty of marks to give his teammates a viable marking target to kick to from the midfield or half-back.

Josh Thomas (14 disposals @ 71%, 261 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 7 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) made the most of his scoring opportunities, stayed involved in scoring chains and made an effort to apply tackling pressure up forward.

Brody Mihocek (13 disposals @ 62%, 192 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 3 handballs, 7 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements & 1 goal) provided an option up forward, but he could not finish his work. Mihocek had 5 scoring shots for 1 goal. In recent years and some matches this season,
Mihocek would usually kick at least 3 goals from that many attempts, so it was exceedingly disappointing that his conversion was below par, and will look to atone for that display next week.

Trent Bianco (12 disposals @ 75%, 152 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 5 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 score involvements & 2 goals) had a relatively quiet game, but he showed he could impact the scoreboard up forward with two classy goals.

Collingwood's next game will be against St Kilda on July 4 at the MCG. As for the battle ahead, the Saints are a very enigmatic side that have not reached lofty heights aside from their shock victory over reigning premiers Richmond. Collingwood will need to match and overpower the Saints to ensure St Kilda do not continue their inspired form from their victory over the Tigers. The Magpies are yet to win a home game this season (all of Collingwood's victories have been in away games), so it would be bloody nice to achieve that and give Robert Harvey his maiden victory against the club he had played for with great distinction.

 

[Visions]

Grundy isn’t being paid a million a year. That’s a false rhetoric.

Really? So what is it?