Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiership!

[M-Train]

We are arguably the strongest off-field club in the AFL with Adelaide and West Coast. The administration we have continue to provide the best sponsors, the best facilities, we average the biggest crowds, the profits keep coming......

There is just one thing missing......

Another Premiership, 16 years since our last one, thats half the time from 58-90..... Magpie fans when will it be our turn to lift the cup again?

Was it wrong to give Malthouse an extension till the end of 2008? Do you think he can lead us to a premiership by then?

 

[luvlicca]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

I think that Guy McKenna will be our next premiership coach. I dont think Mick has a broad enough game plan to take us to one.

 

[Firestorm]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Malthouse is the man but he has never had the cattle to get us over the line, the current list wont be at 12 oclock on the premiership clock until 09/10

 

[WakeUpPies]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

aww i want to say this so bad

no **** lol

 

[jerry springer]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

I think that Guy McKenna will be our next premiership coach. I dont think Mick has a broad enough game plan to take us to one.

hope not we need to wait for roo's to get out of contract and throw the bank at him.

If not him Eade.

we have the money,lets go poach the best coach

 

[MarkT]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Malthouse is the man but he has never had the cattle to get us over the line, the current list wont be at 12 oclock on the premiership clock until 09/10

That’s because of his list management ineptness. He has had 8 drafts and trade weeks to build his squad and this is his squad. He has lost some good cattle and failed to catch others. Sheedy would have got us a flag by now. He’d have recruited and culled better and we sure as hell wouldn’t go into out 8th season with inadequate rucks.

 

[doppleganger]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

we came from a long way back tho, the late 90's was one of the lowest points in the clubs history

we still have a very shallow playing list, the depth isn't there that the west coast and adelaides have

it will take a decade for that to build up

all the signs are there tho

we will spend the most on recruiting
have the best training and development facilities
and base ourselves at the home of footy the G

so we once we get strong, like the west coast and adelaide we should remain strong for a prolonged period of time.

 

[MarkT]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

we came from a long way back tho, the late 90's was one of the lowest points in the clubs history

Not nearly as far as apologists would make out. Look at the cream of 1999 and the impact they had had in 2002/3. Add Michael and Williams. Add a ruckman. By 1999 Shaw was a spent force and his exit had already been negotiated. In 1999 we had the first and third pick in a draft acknowledged as having a number of fantastic prospects and in 2000 we had pick 3.

If nothing else finishing second last in 2000 winning 2 of the last 17 games should put MM into perspective as against Tony Shaw.

Now we are on another rebuild with out having snared a flag because we failed to do the job last time around. The warnings from WCE were well founded. History repeated. Now we hope we have a better drafting team and that MM has no influence in that side of things but even if this is true (unproven at present) MM would still have to cull better, recognise talent better and recognise his own team’s deficiencies better. All that and he then has to actually coach better in the modern game.

It doesn’t stack up.

we still have a very shallow playing list, the depth isn't there that the west coast and adelaides have

Due to mismanagement. We have had as good or better drafting position in MM’s time as any club. 1 & 3 in 1999. 3 in 2000. 11 in 2001. 7 in 2004. 2 & 5 in 2005.

it will take a decade for that to build up

A decade is nearly 3 times the average AFL career. If it is going to take a decade than I am afraid that means we are hopeless. A club can rise, win a flag, fall back and come back for another flag inside a decade. If that’s the bar then it is way way too low.

all the signs are there tho

? I reckon we have secured 2 good prospects with picks 2 & 5 in the 2005 draft. In 2007 we have some good bios from a reputedly strong draft. The signs are that we draft better but that is with early picks in strong drafts so that has to be hedged a bit at this point. We need to see how we went with picks beyond 5 in 2005 and how 2006 turns out. At this point 2004 has not lived up to the hype. Travis Cloke was a gimme so no nouse needed there.

we will spend the most on recruiting
have the best training and development facilities
and base ourselves at the home of footy the G

All good. Now if we can get the best coach and get a trade over the line we might build a premiership list and then maintain it.

so we once we get strong, like the west coast and adelaide we should remain strong for a prolonged period of time.

based on the evidence of never having done it before but we are spending more money now? Are you Ranald McDonnald?


Look I don’t mean to be having a crack at you personally. It’s just that these views are repeated as nauseam and they never ring true. The same people doing the same job generally get the same results. I laugh at Melbourne and cry about Collingwood.

 

[hulld]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

don't hold your breath

 

[Dave The Man]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

hope not we need to wait for roo's to get out of contract and throw the bank at him.

If not him Eade.

we have the money,lets go poach the best coach

Would Love Eade as our Next Coach

 

[doppleganger]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Not nearly as far as apologists would make out. Look at the cream of 1999 and the impact they had had in 2002/3. Add Michael and Williams. Add a ruckman. By 1999 Shaw was a spent force and his exit had already been negotiated. In 1999 we had the first and third pick in a draft acknowledged as having a number of fantastic prospects and in 2000 we had pick 3.

was talking about the club as a whole

had the rubbish facilities at vic park, a rubbish list with a few gems, no money, we were miles away from the adelaide's and west coasts

Now we are on another rebuild with out having snared a flag because we failed to do the job last time around. The warnings from WCE were well founded. History repeated. Now we hope we have a better drafting team and that MM has no influence in that side of things but even if this is true (unproven at present) MM would still have to cull better, recognise talent better and recognise his own team’s deficiencies better. All that and he then has to actually coach better in the modern game.

im not really talking about MM, whether he is there or not is an entirely different debate

the reason west coast and adelaide have been able to maintain strong lists is due to great development of youngsters because they have the best facilities, and the ability to identify gun players in the rookie list and later in the draft

until recently we had rubbish facilities, and weren't able to invest as much money in recruiting and development as them.......now we can match them in these departments, and have grabbed an international rookie, and a gun sydney rookie as a result.........do u reckon reed would have been as eager to join back in 99-00 when we had ****e facilities at vic park????

Look I don’t mean to be having a crack at you personally. It’s just that these views are repeated as nauseam and they never ring true. The same people doing the same job generally get the same results. I laugh at Melbourne and cry about Collingwood.

All im saying is that in 99-00 we were miles behind west coast and adelaide, now we have caught up with them off field.......onfield will take a lot longer to establish the depth of our list, we will still be replacing top end talent for a while and remain fairly shallow in the depth department for a while i reckon, but should gradually start to improve the bottom end of the list now that we have the best facilities, most expansive recruiting network etc. but it isn't going to happen over night, have to get the kids in to the club, then build them up to a level where they are able to be seasoned footballers

im not talking about MM or premiership challengers moving forward, that is a different kettle of fish, talking about being able to build up a quality list where we actually have good solid depth.

 

[PieLebo87]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Its not a curse, or our mentality as a footy club, but its as though, i dunno, its like Liverpool in the EPL, we are always the BIG club, MASSIVE history we are ALWAYS going to be there abouts, but we just cant.. ever seem to pull it off.
I guess it is like a curse, Im a bloody Collingwood supporter and cannot picture the black and white, in September, captain and coach holding up a premiership.. I just cant see it with my own eyes. And Ive seen 1990.

 

[doppleganger]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Its not a curse, or our mentality as a footy club, but its as though, i dunno, its like Liverpool in the EPL, we are always the BIG club, MASSIVE history we are ALWAYS going to be there abouts, but we just cant.. ever seem to pull it off.
I guess it is like a curse, Im a bloody Collingwood supporter and cannot picture the black and white, in September, captain and coach holding up a premiership.. I just cant see it with my own eyes. And Ive seen 1990.

liverpool won the champions league a couple of seasons ago, and are pretty much already thru to the semi finals again this year after beating PSV away 3-0

liverpool still win titles, winning the title is purely about money, liverpool dont have the most money to spend, but may improve now that they have new owners!

go the reds!!

 

[Coin_Toss]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Football is a funny game.

It's pretty obvious that we will struggle to make the eight this year. 2008 promises more expectation: We could be the bolters. Alan Didak and Brodie Holland will be fully fit, John Anthony and Sean Rusling (Yes I still hold out hope) are returning, Scott Pendlebury and Dale Thomas will have more games under their belt and Heath Shaw may be ready to move into the midfield on a permanent basis. It's a far cry from being premiership material, but nonetheless,

Round 1, 2008
B: Iles, Prestigiacomo, Maxwell
HB: Lockyer, Clement, O'Brien
C: H Shaw, Pendlebury, Johnson
HF: Didak, Cloke, Thomas
F: Rusling, Rocca, Medhurst
R: Fraser, Swan, Holland

Int: Bryan, Dick, Cook, Anthony

We are still a ruckman short. Other than that, I'm confident about next year.

 

[luvlicca]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

hope not we need to wait for roo's to get out of contract and throw the bank at him.

If not him Eade.

we have the money,lets go poach the best coach

I thought I heard that Guy was going to be the interim coach until the club thought Bux was ready for the job. I mean i dont know I just thought that was a very well written rumor!!

 

[MarkT]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

the reason west coast and adelaide have been able to maintain strong lists is due to great development of youngsters because they have the best facilities, and the ability to identify gun players in the rookie list and later in the draft

Adelaide didn’t have great development of youngsters under Ayres, dog’s didn’t have it under Rhode, we didn’t have it under Shaw and WCE didn’t have it under Judd. Drafting sure as hell is vitally important but the coach makes a big difference.

All im saying is that in 99-00 we were miles behind west coast and adelaide, now we have caught up with them off field.......

Sure helps.

onfield will take a lot longer to establish the depth of our list, we will still be replacing top end talent for a while

Yes that’s the problem. After all this time what have we accomplished with the list. The list is still the starting point for any success.

im not talking about MM or premiership challengers moving forward, that is a different kettle of fish, talking about being able to build up a quality list where we actually have good solid depth.

The coach and the list are interdependent. Ignoring that, we still have a power of work to do to achieve what you are talking about. What we know so far is we have drafted better with early picks in good drafts. That is what I would call a minimum requirement. We hope Hine and co are the men to achieve our goals but at this point it is only hope. As I said a good early 05 draft and unknown quantities later in the draft and 2006 brought in some exciting bios. We’ve been excited by bios before though. I am not complaining about the 06 crop at all just saying we can’t crow about zero games just yet and unless they are better than what our opposition achieved at the same draft we haven’t made any ground. All yet to be decided.

 

[doppleganger]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Adelaide didn’t have great development of youngsters under Ayres, dog’s didn’t have it under Rhode, we didn’t have it under Shaw and WCE didn’t have it under Judd. Drafting sure as hell is vitally important but the coach makes a big difference. Sure helps. Yes that’s the problem. After all this time what have we accomplished with the list. The list is still the starting point for any success.
The coach and the list are interdependent. Ignoring that, we still have a power of work to do to achieve what you are talking about. What we know so far is we have drafted better with early picks in good drafts. That is what I would call a minimum requirement. We hope Hine and co are the men to achieve our goals but at this point it is only hope. As I said a good early 05 draft and unknown quantities later in the draft and 2006 brought in some exciting bios. We’ve been excited by bios before though. I am not complaining about the 06 crop at all just saying we can’t crow about zero games just yet and unless they are better than what our opposition achieved at the same draft we haven’t made any ground. All yet to be decided.

when rhode was in charge of the bullies they were rubbish and picked up cooney's and griffen's........west coast under judge picked up judd

the top end picks should always be decent players and luck out on a couple becoming champions

but it is the back end of the list where adelaide and west coast have outperformed us.......they have been able to turn rookie selections, and late draft picks into good players, that is how u build up club depth, because they have spent more money on recruiting, and had better facilities to develop the young kids........finally Collingwood has caught up

this is only starting to happen at Collingwood recently, the move to lexus and spending extra money on recruting staff didn't occur back in 99,00 when we were rubbish..........have already nabbed the best young kid in NSW in Reed, as a direct result of the new facilities and recruiting push.....that is how we are going to become a strong club, that has a deep list.

not talking about malthouse, well aware that u dont rate him. but as a club we have never had the facilities and expenditure avaliable for new recruits as we do now, this should help us build a strong deep list going forward

 

[jerry springer]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

I thought I heard that Guy was going to be the interim coach until the club thought Bux was ready for the job. I mean i dont know I just thought that was a very well written rumor!!

I hope not.

why does everbody think Bucks is our next coach?

what credentials does he have?He said the other night on "on the couch" that he might go overseas to somewhere like USA and work with a a team over there to get managment experience but thats it.

He is a champion player who loves collingwood but that doesnt = a great coach.we need fresh ideas from other clubs at the moment.

Personally I think,he might rub players under him the wrong way with his fanatisim and devotion to football.He used to put a lot of young players off at the club because he was so hard on them because they wernt professional enough.Football is his life but it aint every players life.we need someone to guide and direct the young kids coming through,a mentor,a teacher and a football coach all in one

just my 10 cents worth.

 

[FadeAway]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Malthouse i think is the best coach at the moment.

Next coaching line up will probably be as follows:

McKenna - COACH
Buckley- Assistant Coach
Brown- Assistant Coach 2


We need to get rid of fletcher as midfield coach. he is ****E!

 

[PieLebo87]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

liverpool won the champions league a couple of seasons ago, and are pretty much already thru to the semi finals again this year after beating PSV away 3-0

liverpool still win titles, winning the title is purely about money, liverpool dont have the most money to spend, but may improve now that they have new owners!

go the reds!!

you and my brother can kiss my ass!!

Man U is 1st in the league and will win the Champions League

MAN UTD ALL THE WAY!

 

[piepark]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Buckley should not be the next coach of Collingwood until he has gone away and got experience elsewhere.

There is nothing about Buckley in my opinion that makes him stand out as a coach in waiting that is any different to Voss, Hird or Kouta for example. I guess he does articulate himself better tha Kouta having said that.

A coach in waiting needs experience and more experience again as a coach, not a captain as Bucks is. Our club is too big financially and membership wise to experiment with a guy who whilst is a great club legend, simply is untried as a coach. We deserve and need an established coach and one who preferably has won a premiership in the modern era. Anything less would be a bold and silly experiment. While MM is still the best man for the job at the moment, you'd have to wonder what the club would do if Williams, Roos or Matthews wanted to ever come back to Melbourne. I know what I would do.

 

[luvlicca]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

that was my point. bux is apprently going to do an apprenticeship elsewhere, so he can bring back new ideas etc.... so i dont think he will be thrown in the deep end straight away.

 

[Coin_Toss]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

We need to get rid of fletcher as midfield coach. he is ****E!

If you look at the players at his disposal I would say he's done a good job. He was there in 2002 and 2003 when Collingwood were the best stoppage team in the league. He came back to the club, in 2005, around the same time when Shane O'Bree was close to being punted from the side and worked wonders with him!!! Now Shane is a consistent clearance king at Collingwood....

Adrian Fletcher is not the problem... nor does he deserve to be criticized.

 

[WakeUpPies]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

i can;t wait to see buckley coach, maybe he can coah his son

thats if he decides to coach

 

[Dj Chriss]

Re: Terrific Off-Field, Excellent Facilities, Record Braking Profits, all we need now is a Premiersh

Voss should coach us next, he has experience from a team that had SUCCESS, he seems to know what hes talking about and he has respect.

COME ON DOWN VOSSY