Bluemour Melting Pot XXXII - Reaching fever pitch! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[Brezsa]

Herald Sun reporting Voss could be appointed tomorrow ...

Highly unlikely, unless they plan on having him on a press conference from Adelaide or he is driving now.

Only 1 commercial flight Adelaide to Melbourne tomorrow (Covid border closures) arriving at 130pm. So I assume the media will be there for that flight.

Can’t see the club picking him up and meeting him face to face for the first time (well in this coaching search) & having a press conference & announcing it all within 4 hours of him arriving in Melbourne

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I disagree with all this ‘now it seems like we’ve been left with our pants down’ business

Lyon said he wasn’t interested in being part of a process.

Clarko said cook rang him up and asked if he’d be interested in being a part of the selection process, which he declined.

As far as we can tell as of right now at least Kingsley and Voss have also been in discussions as a part of the process.

collingwood had a six month head start sorting their sh*t out. We didn’t have that luxury. Ultimately they’ve chosen an untried coach.

one of the mandates of ‘the process’ was to find an experienced available coach. We’ve had a massive win with the CEO appointment and we need a coach who is experienced enough to have failed and learnt from it, be accepting of his role and the position of his assistants and the entire footy club to drive the standards and build the culture that wins flags in the modern era.

If ultimately the process determines Voss is best suited to fill that position then the process has been a success. Of course like all things in life no matter your best intentions things don’t always go to plan. But with a solid foundation of culture, structure, discipline, selflessness and hard work that has begun to be built by sayers, will be embedded by Cook; then any weakness or failings of the ‘system’ are easily identifiable and can be corrected.

I can’t honestly say I want Voss. No. But did I want to buy a flag with Clarko?, probably not. does Lyon still feel grubby to me? Yes.

so whatever the process we have been going through ultimately decides I’ll back in. Because process and systems are bigger than individuals. Yes the are instituted by individuals or a group but once established it’s the system, culture, whatever you want to call it that can and will endure long after any one individual has moved on.
Go Blues 2022!

We have not heard anything from the club about what we have done to try to secure Clarkson. We may have asked initially and been told no, he wants a holiday. We may have asked after we secured Cook, just in case anything had changed. The club haven't told us about any approaches. It is all media driven.

All we do know is that we have a panel and have been interviewing coaches. That's it.

Any embarrassment or feelings of being caught with our pants down is purely down to what people choose to believe.

 

[Opine]

Please parkin had won a premiership with hawthorn before he started - it it wasn't for the president and his board he probably would of won more than 81-82 -- even walls was sacked prematurely -- the 80/90s when we had a clear advantage over the competition but so much staff insecurity and poor culture probably why our results were ordinary - went from 6 in 14 to 2 in 40

Fair enough. I can't force you to see what you don't want to; you're entitled to opine what you like. If he's appointed I hope he proves you wrong.

 

[Heres Waite]

I feel as though Diesel, Parkin, and Cook ultimately know what they are doing and we are in the best group of hands that we have been in since I can remember. I really want to believe and to trust them, and that’s why ultimately I will support the club and whoever they end up putting up as head coach. If it is Voss though, I’m not going to lie, it’s going to take a bit to get used to. I know I don’t know everything about Voss and how he interviewed or his vision or gameplay. In that respect it’s hard to know. As a fan looking in, I’m not excited about Voss at all, but here we are, and we just have to trust Parkin Diesel and Cook.

 

[TerryWallet]

I am not a Vossy believer.

But somehow, i find myself really looking forward to the ride.

I am a believer in our list. I think it is primed, ready and hungry. It might be hard for some/most to see that thru the deep mist, but crazy or not i see it clearly. I would be rapt for Vossy to be competant enough to have some success with us.

It looks like it's time to strap in and see where this ride takes us.

For me, players make coaches. Much more than the other way around. Let's hope Vossy's strengths and learnings can come to the fore.

GO VOSSY.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

That whole feeling of 'who do you trust' when you are sacked, really hits home. They ask him if he has lost the players and he is thinking 'I don't know'.

To me, that is a cultural thing. You need the Footy Boss, the Footy Director, the assistant coaches, the club psychologist ... all being on top of player mindsets. Encouraging them to communicate, to share their frustrations. It is bloody hard for one senior coach to develop and maintain relationships with 44 players. Upset one and his immediate mates are also upset on his behalf. You need that feedback, you need that openness and inclusiveness.

I think Cook will be key here.

I was against Voss -- still have doubts but makes you realise how hard this gig really is -- Teague had no chance -- if Voss gets the job good luck to him because he has put himself out there and interview seemed very genuine

 

[GT619]

That whole feeling of 'who do you trust' when you are sacked, really hits home. They ask him if he has lost the players and he is thinking 'I don't know'.

To me, that is a cultural thing. You need the Footy Boss, the Footy Director, the assistant coaches, the club psychologist ... all being on top of player mindsets. Encouraging them to communicate, to share their frustrations. It is bloody hard for one senior coach to develop and maintain relationships with 44 players. Upset one and his immediate mates are also upset on his behalf. You need that feedback, you need that openness and inclusiveness.

I think Cook will be key here.

This will be great comeback story

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Still shocked but others have said there is a reason he still looking for a job

Still got one at Essendon, no?

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Would it make you feel better to learn that, despite the period in which he handed the reins late in his career to WB, he's been the best coach we've had in my lifetime thus far?

Yes now I can sleep peacefully tonight, thanks brother! I once told him as much at a function he was the keynote up here in Ballarat, and he thanked me, said that ultimately that's what drove him. Genuine good man, reminded me of my father, probably why I ark up when his integrity is questioned.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

That whole feeling of 'who do you trust' when you are sacked, really hits home. They ask him if he has lost the players and he is thinking 'I don't know'.

To me, that is a cultural thing. You need the Footy Boss, the Footy Director, the assistant coaches, the club psychologist ... all being on top of player mindsets. Encouraging them to communicate, to share their frustrations. It is bloody hard for one senior coach to develop and maintain relationships with 44 players. Upset one and his immediate mates are also upset on his behalf. You need that feedback, you need that openness and inclusiveness.

I think Cook will be key here.

I think you're right. That will be Cook's biggest task.
From all reports coming from ex players, staff etc. that we can have a culture of cliques within the main group and it is just not something you hear from successful clubs.
The successful clubs talk about whole club buy in. The boot studder is equal to the CEO. Having genuine care for everyone within the club.

I still believe that the Richmond 2017 side was not much better than their 2013 team on paper. It seemed to be a cultural shift led from Hardwick, Cotchin, Gale and O'Neil and it drove them to enormous success. I hope that is the kind of thing we are hoping to build and the fact their team dynamic didn't change drastically in that time gives me hope for us.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

‘This resulted in the club parting ways with nearly 70% of its staff in the first two years of Mr Cook’s tenure, and in the first three years seeing nearly half the players leave.’

Geelong Cats CEO Brian Cook: Character over talent – The Australian Business Executive | A Deeper Look at Business & Government

theabe.com.au

Reckon Cookie might hit 95% at this thing of ours.

 

[JuddgementDay]

If it’s Voss, so be it.

He’s not my first choice, but I’m happy to back any coach that CFC has selected - at least give him a chance

Also, this off season, we had plenty of changes. With lot of good people to support the new coach

 

[GT619]

 

[Opine]

Yes now I can sleep peacefully tonight, thanks brother! I once told him as much at a function he was the keynote up here in Ballarat, and he thanked me, said that ultimately that's what drove him. Genuine good man, reminded me of my father, probably why I ark up when his integrity is questioned.

I also told him as much at a function in Abbotsford in 1995 just prior to our resurgence that same year onto our eventual premiership.

 

[NavySteel]

Admire the optimism but I completely disagree. There’s little the club has done in the past two months that gives me confidence we’ve learned from our previous mistakes and that we will make the effective change we really need.
Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

What would you do differently?

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Im all in on Vossy.
Can‘t wait
100% behind him…. Until rd 2 at least

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I was against Voss -- still have doubts but makes you realise how hard this gig really is -- Teague had no chance -- if Voss gets the job good luck to him because he has put himself out there and interview seemed very genuine

Teague didn't know what he didn't know. He didn't know how to get through to the players, or didn't know that he needed to. He obviously didn't know about the angst that half of the playing list had. His assistants were all raw and/or unaware and didn't do any of that reconnaissance work for him. Lloyd obviously didn't think it was his job to get amongst the players from time to time and lend them an ear.

Liddle obviously didn't spot the disconnection and ask questions of Lloyd and the footy department. Judd obviously didn't know to ask questions, maybe for fear of undermining them all. MLG didn't recognise something was broken and what questions to ask.

Yeah, Teague was let down by others, but he also didn't recognise something was wrong. The crazy thing is that most of the supporters knew it was all going wrong. I can't believe they didn't entertain it themselves.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Still got one at Essendon, no?

Yes 100% - bit others have said there is a reason 5 years later he still an assistant

 

[GT619]

Im all in on Vossy.
Can‘t wait
100% behind him…. Until rd 2 at least

What if he beats richmond rnd 1

 

[Warsaw]

Firstly, people are doing more than being sceptical. They are reacting angrily as though the decision is 100% wrong and they can't know that.

Secondly, who is the club? Is it the ground, the buildings, the dressing rooms, the logo out the front, the car park? Because if not, I don't know of too many people who have been there for 20 years to have earned that judgment. Unless it is Shane O behind it all?

New CEO - any reason to be sceptical there? Half a new board ... is that 50% scepticism?

New Football Director - Diesel given you any reason to doubt him yet?

David Parkin also helping to select a new coach - not exactly covered in failure is he? Might have a few credits in the bank in fact.

No, it's not the club as such, it's recent history surrounding the club but people have gone and more have come and those who have just come surely can't be blamed for the sins of those who have left. The scepticism is all mindset.

This same argument existed 5 years ago, 10, 20. And will exist 5 years from now if they're still in the same position.

Sure, could go down your list of names and agree that there's no reason to doubt them. But I don't think we've appointed anyone in the last 10 years who at the time of hiring could have been classed as woefully underqualified.

Point is to not get too high on any of this.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Teague didn't know what he didn't know. He didn't know how to get through to the players, or didn't know that he needed to. He obviously didn't know about the angst that half of the playing list had. His assistants were all raw and/or unaware and didn't do any of that reconnaissance work for him. Lloyd obviously didn't think it was his job to get amongst the players from time to time and lend them an ear.

Liddle obviously didn't spot the disconnection and ask questions of Lloyd and the footy department. Judd obviously didn't know to ask questions, maybe for fear of undermining them all. MLG didn't recognise something was broken and what questions to ask.

Yeah, Teague was let down by others, but he also didn't recognise something was wrong. The crazy thing is that most of the supporters knew it was all going wrong. I can't believe they didn't entertain it themselves.

100%

 

[Fabab]

He wasn't sacked from Aberdeen. He was however, sacked from St Mirren which was his second managerial job after East Sterlingshire.

East Stirlingshire , he unearthed many talented young players at St mirren and won them promotion to the spl so i doubt very much he was sacked mate.
Think he was head hunted by Aberdeen.
Hope your on the road to recovery mate.

 

[BlueHulk]

Not too concerned about Voss' stint at the lions.
He was young and bit off more than he could chew.

I think Blighty cached at the Roos in 1981 for only 6 wins before going to Geelong 8 years later and then getting the ultimate success at the crows in 97.

Shouldn't write him off because of the past.

 

[JuddgementDay]

I am not a Vossy believer.

But somehow, i find myself really looking forward to the ride.

I am a believer in our list. I think it is primed, ready and hungry. It might be hard for some/most to see that thru the deep mist, but crazy or not i see it clearly. I would be rapt for Vossy to be competant enough to have some success with us.

It looks like it's time to strap in and see where this ride takes us.

For me, players make coaches. Much more than the other way around. Let's hope Vossy's strengths and learnings can come to the fore.

GO VOSSY.

I think it’s a mix of both players & coaches.

As a coach won’t succeed without a good list

And team can’t succeed without good systems
…

But, what I’m looking forward to now is full commitment from each player, otherwise ship out - there are no more excuses!

If it is Voss, so be it!
Let’s get on with getting ready for finals in 2022

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This same argument existed 5 years ago, 10, 20. And will exist 5 years from now if they're still in the same position.

Sure, could go down your list of names and agree that there's no reason to doubt them. But I don't think we've appointed anyone in the last 10 years who at the time of hiring could have been classed as woefully underqualified.

Point is to not get too high on any of this.

Sure, don't get too high. My original point is not to start off angry and negative, before you've even got a sample of what we are building. Different people means different ideas, and when you've been failing, different is good.