Umm Hitler was never on the left side of politics. He was always Right. Nationalist are almost always on the right of politics.
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Umm Hitler was never on the left side of politics. He was always Right. Nationalist are almost always on the right of politics.
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I'm working on this discussion at the moment but there is a big history of the ideals of the left being used by authoritarians to sweep into power, using the good will of people seeking to have good things for others and then sweeping them off the table once the authoritarian has ridden the wave in.
As happened with the brown shirts
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There are two points to public broadcasting
1) to allow news to be told independent of commercial influence
2) to provide a vehicle for stories not covered by mainstream media to be aired
The ABC does both well. We'd be a much worse off society without it.
Of course there are bullshit woke views on the ABC, it wouldn't be fulfilling purpose 2) without them. My advice is to ignore them and take the 95% good with the 5% crap.
1) to allow news to be told independent of commercial influence
2) to provide a vehicle for stories not covered by mainstream media to be aired
The ABC does both well. We'd be a much worse off society without it.
Of course there are bullshit woke views on the ABC, it wouldn't be fulfilling purpose 2) without them. My advice is to ignore them and take the 95% good with the 5% crap.
You say that as if it were a fact.
Both sides of politics use nationalism, and nationalism itself is not a bad thing.
Hitler rose to power through the German Workers Party, blamed the Jews for Germanys problems
from the beginning. Everybody agrees that he was a Fascist.
Gentile helped Mussolini shape Italy into a fascist state, Hitler adopted Fascism.
He consolidated Germany as a collectivist state.
Like all collectivists he had the state as the authority, just the same as Russia + the other Communist states
that followed.
The main difference between Communism + Fascism is with everything is state owned + with Fascism it
is state directed.
Both are totalitarian.
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You can get bullshit woke views from the Guardian. You don't need to lean on the taxpayer to fund them.
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Ideally there is a plurality of views on a public broadcaster, but with an emphasis on views that don't get covered well by mainstream media. I don't have a problem with sheep weather alerts nor queer theory, I ignore both but I'm glad they're both there for fringe interests that want to listen to them.
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If you want queer theory there's about a hundred blogs and magazines catering to that interest. In this day and age it's cheaper than ever to get into media thanks to the internet, and I don't think it's justfiable to ask the taxpayer to fund fringe views given how relatively easy it is for these to be provided privately.
If I recall the point of establishing the ABC in the 1930s was the difficulty in providing radio broadcasting and media access across this country, which isn't an issue we face today. The ABC will stick around because I don't think any Liberal government will ever have the balls to privatise it but in purely in terms of good policy I think there's a very strong argument to privatise it.
You are such a hypocrite, you don't give a flying **** as to what happens as long as your insulated lifestyle isn't interrupted. Who cares that others haven't seen their family for almost 2 years right?
It's all well and good for the boomers of the world to want to shup up shop as you've already done a lot of the things you want to in life, you've already lived most of your life and you don't give a s**t if others lose years out of their prime to this bullshit
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baby boomers give us a break
I haven’t wanted to shut up shop since day 1
Blind Freddy (not fast Freddy) could see we will have to live with it eventually, there’s no hiding.
Both the GWP and Gentile were Facists. What's your point?
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You're not wrong. Completely agree.
Fascism is a leftist ideology, Hitler was a Fascist ergo Hitler was left wing.
Hitler was not left wing.
I'm assuming your trolling at this point.
He may have over taken a party that had, at some point, some policies that aligned with some general socialist principles. But it is beyond ridiculous to say that Hitler was left wing.
Here's a good comparison to read.
Fascism vs. Communism vs. Socialism: Differences Explained
Wondering what the difference between fascism vs. communism is? Maybe fascism vs. socialism? Uncover the differences between the political systems here.
If you read this you might learn somethingHitler was not left wing.
I'm assuming your trolling at this point.
He may have over taken a party that had, at some point, some policies that aligned with some general socialist principles. But it is beyond ridiculous to say that Hitler was left wing.
Here's a good comparison to read.
Fascism vs. Communism vs. Socialism: Differences Explained
Wondering what the difference between fascism vs. communism is? Maybe fascism vs. socialism? Uncover the differences between the political systems here.examples.yourdictionary.com
Adolf Hitler’s Debt to Karl Marx - Quadrant Online
This week, when people who should know better were marking the birth of modern Communism's founder, his socialist heirs were flinging the standard slur that conservatives are 'Nazis'. To find the Austrian Corporal's real legatees they should look much closer to home
quadrant.org.au
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Hitler was not left wing.
I'm assuming your trolling at this point.
He may have over taken a party that had, at some point, some policies that aligned with some general socialist principles. But it is beyond ridiculous to say that Hitler was left wing.
Here's a good comparison to read.
Fascism vs. Communism vs. Socialism: Differences Explained
Wondering what the difference between fascism vs. communism is? Maybe fascism vs. socialism? Uncover the differences between the political systems here.
Geez, that's a bad definition.
"Socialism can co-exist with capitalism, unlike communism, and does in most modern democracies (known as democratic socialism)." That teased out would just confuse the economic ideology of socialism with the government doing anything ever. Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek and Ayn Rand under this definition would all be committed socialists because they all perceive the government playing some role in society and markets.
Also there's no neat line between socialism and communism. The Soviet Union, which the article seems to place in the communist bucket, self-described as socialist and claimed to be working towarsd communism. For what it's worth I don't think any country self-identified as being communist. And that's not to mention the number of people on the far left who utilise the two terms interchangeably anyway.
This is completely incorrect except for "Hitler was a fascist" which indeed he was. Hitler rose to power partly by exploiting people's fears of the left following the great depression, he was far to the right and used nationalism to rise to power. Hitler hated and feared Marxism and Communism so to call Hitler left wing is rubbish - he is literally the textbook example of far right ultranationalism.
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Interesting discussion here.
think Square peg summed up the abc well enough. It’s not perfect, and definitely leans left, but that’s ok when the major private media competitors lean right.
Nationalism to me is a broadly negative thing. It has caused more wars than religion and in places like Yugoslavia it has literally destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives. In some ways the recent interstate squabbling in Australia has reminded me of the negative side of nationalism.
think Square peg summed up the abc well enough. It’s not perfect, and definitely leans left, but that’s ok when the major private media competitors lean right.
Nationalism to me is a broadly negative thing. It has caused more wars than religion and in places like Yugoslavia it has literally destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives. In some ways the recent interstate squabbling in Australia has reminded me of the negative side of nationalism.
Nice maths dr j. just the one obvious (deliberate?) error, and some misleading omissions.
Out by a factor of 100.
not counting already dead.
is counting those who only got it in the last couple of days (around half of them)
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Fascism was seen by the conservative political icons of Australia and England as a counter force to Communism. Menzies in Australia had lots of praise for Hitler, and Churchill also initially a admirer of Hilter, Franco and especially Mussolini called Fascism "the antidote to Communism". Below are a couple of examples from Menzies from newspaper clippings as late as 1938. The Churchill stuff is easy to research.
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The Ideologies go further back than that.
Margaret Sanger started off what would become Planned Parenthood in the US in the 1910s to
cull the number of blacks in the US.
This type of thinking along with weeding society (killing off the mentally impaired etc.) was popular
with the intellectual left.
Feel free to post a better one.
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