Player Watch Fischer McAsey - Steps Away from Football, Not Returning

[Golumless]

Great to see some positivity on this board regarding Fish, Just needs a little extra time, but he'll get there

Hard to say at this point, though the big thing is he's competitive in the air, so he does have a pathway that'll hold up as a key forward.

That said, the concern for Fish is the best position for him is an intercept third tall because it's really hard to see us moving away from Doedee there.

 

[skam85]

I want him to succeed and justify his early draft selection but I have a very small amount of confidence that this will happen.

 

[dogs105]

Very Confident ....not saying this year ....but carrying over his confidence gained this year, into another PS ....

He's 21 YO now ....that's nothing for a KPP ....still younger than Butts / Murray

Only just turned 21 too

 

[Pugsley]

I'm stating here now .....McAsey is back to the playing style, that saw him Drafted at #6 .....consistency may not be there yet, but he's leaping at the ball again .....he looks strong, confident, and the self belief is back

Whilst he's playing fwd currently ...that can be a positive, when you have self doubts & having to play a negating defensive role ......like the journey undertaken by Weitering, who also played fwd for a while .....I suspect, defence is still where he'll end up ....and where we desperately need a quality KPD

McAsey will make the grade !

Massive call Wayneo but he still has time.

 

[maxlilly]

Very Confident ....not saying this year ....but carrying over his confidence gained this year, into another PS ....

He's 21 YO now ....that's nothing for a KPP ....still younger than Butts / Murray

I still think if he has any chance of making it at all, it is as a forward.
He is just hopeless down back
I just think he is too slow and goes to ground way to often and too easily

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I still think if he has any chance of making it at all, it is as a forward.
He is just hopeless down back
I just think he is too slow and goes to ground way to often and too easily

We'll agree, to disagree on this

 

[Wazzy36]

In terms of insight into his future position, in the new video on the AFC youtube channel. Mcasey was listed as a "utility" player. Seem's like we're trying to develop him in both the forward and backline.

 

[skam85]

Yet he's struggling to even develop into a footballer.

 

[Wazzy36]

Yet he's struggling to even develop into a footballer.

unfortunately

 

[1990crow]

In terms of insight into his future position, in the new video on the AFC youtube channel. Mcasey was listed as a "utility" player. Seem's like we're trying to develop him in both the forward and backline.

I think this doesn't do McAsey any favours. Needs to focus on one position and getting into the team.
Our development of players is really struggling.

 

[Jarman3]

I think this doesn't do McAsey any favours. Needs to focus on one position and getting into the team.
Our development of players is really struggling.

I don't really watch the SANFL so I don't know if we've give him a fair crack at playing a KPD role and he just hasn't managed it, or have we been throwing him around the whole time and not giving him a chance to settle? I wonder if this "utility" thing is more a sign that he isn't making it as a KPD and we're just flailing about trying to find any position at all where he might be able to make a go of it.

A bit like turning Chayce Jones into a small defender - probably not what we had in mind when taking him at pick 9, but better than delisting him and having it turn into a total loss. But yeah, there are some really hard questions that need to be asked around our recruiting and development. McAsey, Jones, Fogarty, Gallucci, etc etc etc. Too many guys taken with early picks have failed to develop into the players we expected / needed them to be (in some cases failed to develop into players at all). We're either drafting the wrong guys or failing to develop them (or both). If it's development then we need to make changes there ASAP before it drags the likes of Rachele and Thilthorpe down into mediocrity, too.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

“I was really worried about him playing that key back role, I just didn’t think he had enough agility, athleticism, spunk about him (and) hard-nosed competitiveness for that role.”

Thankfully for the Crows, Jordon Butts and Nick Murray have emerged and held down the key defensive roles for the majority of the past 18 months, supporting Tom Doedee

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However, the club has still conceded the fifth-most points in 2022.

Despite questioning McAsey’s attributes, Rendell understands the decision to draft the youngster with their first pick at the time.

“They were losing all their key backs, they really had no one. (Butts) has been one of the great gets, and Nick Murray, they got them for (nothing) and they’re holding down key back roles,” he continued.

“They didn’t expect that, so they were probably spooked into going that key back at that pick because they probably thought, ‘Well, we desperately need one, and he’s the best one around’, and he probably was at the time.

“(But) I probably would have gone a different way at the time.”

“I didn’t have him there”: Former AFL recruiter questions Crows’ top draft pick

"I was really doubtful about him as a key back."

www.sen.com.au

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Don't ever believe, Clubs draft on talent alone .....it's bull**** ..... needs are always factored

 

[Wazzy36]

“I was really worried about him playing that key back role, I just didn’t think he had enough agility, athleticism, spunk about him (and) hard-nosed competitiveness for that role.”

Frustrating that these attributes were noted yet we still decided to jump on him. Shows that his issues have always been around and haven't spontaneously appeared.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Frustrating that these attributes were noted yet we still decided to jump on him. Shows that his issues have always been around and haven't spontaneously appeared.

Agree ....that said, very few talls have the full package ..... at #6 though, you'd expect more

There's nothing though, that we're seeing from McAsey now, that wasn't in full view in the U18's .....so the Crows must value something else .....I remain confident in McAsey

 

[Anzacpaul]

Don't ever believe, Clubs draft on talent alone .....it's bull**** ..... needs are always factored

Or in Hamish's case....

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If anyone dares go back to watch the U18 nationals that year you’d say he had most traits covered but lacked some speed / agility

It looked like his reading of ball in flight and positioning might overcome any lack of speed / agility

The personality stuff is hard to see without doing the in depth background work clubs do …. So maybe that’s where our recruiters went most wrong IMO , can that change with maturity ? Not sure

I also remember 80% + of the board wanting Dylan Stephen’s that year , he would have been no better as a pick

 

[Crow till I die]

If anyone dares go back to watch the U18 nationals that year you’d say he had most traits covered but lacked some speed / agility

It looked like his reading of ball in flight and positioning might overcome any lack of speed / agility

The personality stuff is hard to see without doing the in depth background work clubs do …. So maybe that’s where our recruiters went most wrong IMO , can that change with maturity ? Not sure

I also remember 80% + of the board wanting Dylan Stephen’s that year , he would have been no better as a pick

What really screwed us that year was the gifting of the bullcrap PP to Gold Coast to net them Rowell and Anderson at picks 1 & 2. Melbourne seemed to be wedded to Luke Jackson (and what a pick that is turning out to be) and yet again we got stuck with the first pick of the next tier talent. Had GC not got that PP, Noah Anderson would be running around in our midfield now instead of McAsey and Pedlar stuck playing SANFL

 

[Dangerousfield]

Agree ....that said, very few talls have the full package ..... at #6 though, you'd expect more

There's nothing though, that we're seeing from McAsey now, that wasn't in full view in the U18's .....so the Crows must value something else .....I remain confident in McAsey

Would rather have Aaron Naughton, Josh Gibcus both pick 9 who showed plenty straight away. I really hope the positive people are correct but I just don't see it in McAsey or Jones or McHenry.

Maybe we just don't select very well.

 

[Thetrader15]

Would rather have Aaron Naughton, Josh Gibcus both pick 9 who showed plenty straight away. I really hope the positive people are correct but I just don't see it if McAsey or Jones or McHenry.

Maybe we just don't select very well.

Let's look at who these guys have had as line coaches:

2019 - Ben Hart (fwd) , Mick Godden (mids); Marty Mattner (Def)
2020 - Ben Hart (fwd) , Mick Godden (mids); Marty Mattner / Brent Reilly (Def)

Dogs had Joel Corey and Steven King
Tigers currently have Mark Williams and Ross Smith as development and defensive coaches.

No wonder the development has been poor, and that's on the club, but at least they have identified it and made some moves.

 

[skittlebrew]

Frustrating that these attributes were noted yet we still decided to jump on him. Shows that his issues have always been around and haven't spontaneously appeared.

We had success with Talia and Phil Davis. I think the crows just thought take the best KPD available and he'll be right in our system. How wrong they were...

 

[jackster83]

What really screwed us that year was the gifting of the bullcrap PP to Gold Coast to net them Rowell and Anderson at picks 1 & 2. Melbourne seemed to be wedded to Luke Jackson (and what a pick that is turning out to be) and yet again we got stuck with the first pick of the next tier talent. Had GC not got that PP, Noah Anderson would be running around in our midfield now instead of McAsey and Pedlar stuck playing SANFL

Meh, we could have drafted Serong and Chapman instead of the players we took.

 

[Geoffa32]

If anyone dares go back to watch the U18 nationals that year you’d say he had most traits covered but lacked some speed / agility

It looked like his reading of ball in flight and positioning might overcome any lack of speed / agility

The personality stuff is hard to see without doing the in depth background work clubs do …. So maybe that’s where our recruiters went most wrong IMO , can that change with maturity ? Not sure

I also remember 80% + of the board wanting Dylan Stephen’s that year , he would have been no better as a pick

You could see in his 2020 games he had pretty good Footy IQ.


There is a player there. I just wish he was playing AFL now. At either end.


Chuck him in as KPD. Give Doedee some cover.

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[WaynesWorld19]

Would rather have Aaron Naughton, Josh Gibcus both pick 9 who showed plenty straight away. I really hope the positive people are correct but I just don't see it in McAsey or Jones or McHenry.

Maybe we just don't select very well.

Wouldn't we all .....Gibcus was a favourite of mine, in the Draft ....but this is where "need" often overshadows "talent"

ESS needed a big bodied mid .....surprise surprise ...they picked Hobbs

NORTH now copping flak for choosing Will Phillips over Logan McDonald ....given they wanted to build the midfield first ....they're now lamenting a shortage of KPF's

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Frustrating that these attributes were noted yet we still decided to jump on him. Shows that his issues have always been around and haven't spontaneously appeared.

Those comments are from Matt Rendell who was at Collingwood at the time, and wasn't even working on the draft but on scouting for future drafts. Collingwood also didn't have a pick until much later. I doubt Rendell put much/any time into McAsey and all his comments are just hindsighted genius.