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Ambrose Burnside said:
I daresay they're exactly the same as they were in '92.
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Not sure there’d be too many places that would have changed more in the last 30 years than Dunsborough and Margs, tbh.
 
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Ochre said:
What happened to Fitzroy was an utter disgrace and the only precedent it should set is what not to do.
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What was the alternative? Have another flat broke club leaching off the success of the other markets, stinking up the ladder and going nowhere?

North and Saints need to go - they just can't get themselves together enough to be financially viable. AFL can then decide if they want an NT and TAS team, or just run a more profitable league.
 
Rowan18 said:
What was the alternative? Have another flat broke club leaching off the success of the other markets, stinking up the ladder and going nowhere?

North and Saints need to go - they just can't get themselves together enough to be financially viable. AFL can then decide if they want an NT and TAS team, or just run a more profitable league.
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Saints are equal top 4 right now. They need to find a way to capitalise and win finals/GF to sell hope for the next 5 years. They've got to be the next Vic side the AFL want to see win a flag. GWS falling away probably makes the Saints priority one.
 
DanWCE said:
Saints are equal top 4 right now. They need to find a way to capitalise and win finals/GF to sell hope for the next 5 years. They've got to be the next Vic side the AFL want to see win a flag. GWS falling away probably makes the Saints priority one.
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True. They can be the next fairytale.

Since 2000, there have been 14 Vic premiers to 8 non Vic. Since 2005, the only non Vic teams to win a flag are West Coast and Sydney (2 each). What's one more manufactured flag for the Saints? Sorry Freo.
 
Truckosaurus said:
Greenies.
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Contrary to popular opinion from elsewhere in the country, Tasmania is not a "Green" state politically.

It may have had its foundations there over Gordon River, but the party has never captured widespread support within that state.


Take the Federal election last month - Greens in Tasmania polled 11% of the vote, which is lower than what they managed in both WA and Queensland.
 
Dylan82 said:
Contrary to popular opinion from elsewhere in the country, Tasmania is not a "Green" state politically.

It may have had its foundations there over Gordon River, but the party has never captured widespread support within that state.


Take the Federal election last month - Greens in Tasmania polled 11% of the vote, which is lower than what they managed in both WA and Queensland.
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Yep. Tassie is actually quite conservative. It's only really inner-city Hobart and Launceston that could be considered as mostly progressive. The tourist hubs also.

Most other places, people rarely travel more than 40 minutes from home and aren't exactly highly educated, or have much exposure to progressive society.
 

West Coast Eagles CEO Trevor Nisbett admits Tim Kelly trade in 2019 ‘hasn’t worked’ as club begins big rebuild​

West Coast CEO Trevor Nisbett has admitted the costly, big-money trade with Geelong for homesick star Tim Kelly “hasn’t worked”.
The Eagles coughed up picks 14, 27 and 37, as well as a future first round pick, for Kelly in 2019 - one year after claiming the flag - but Nisbett on Friday confessed the gamble hadn’t paid off.

“When you make those decisions you make them based around trying to win the next premiership and that’s how we made that decision,” Nisbett told a Perth Football League event.

“When we traded for Tim, he came into our club as a ready-made player. It was lauded (at the time) as one of the best trading deals in the history of the game.
“(The deal) hasn’t worked because the people around him have fallen away and we haven’t had a fit, healthy squad. We haven’t gotten it right.

“So now you go back to the drawing board and try and get it right.”
Despite his blunt assessment, Nisbett defended Kelly - who has played 46 games for the Eagles over three seasons - saying the 27-year-old had held up his end of the bargain.

“He’s playing great footy at the moment yet people want to criticise him and they shouldn’t be criticising him,” Nisbett said.
“If people didn’t like the deal, that’s fine. But they certainly shouldn’t be criticising Tim for what he’s doing and how he’s performed (since arriving at the West Coast).”

Nisbett, 64, said the situation at the Eagles, who sit at the bottom of the ladder with a 1-11 record at the halfway mark of the season, is as “difficult as I’ve experienced”.

Tim Kelly’s arrival hasn’t delivered West Coast another premiership. AFL Photos
“The expectation from our members ... is to be successful,” he said.
“And it’s certainly an expectation we set as a board and we set as staff and players and consequently, when you’re not successful, that’s when people are looking at you very closely and saying well, what have you done wrong?”
With the Kelly trade among the club’s main sticking points with critics, Nisbett said bringing in more ready-made players is “not our strategy” this off-season.

“We have gone back to the draft last year, we’ll do the same this year,” he said.
“We’ll pick players that we believe are talented and have the potential to help us in the short, medium and long term.”

Instead the Eagles will be selecting players to get the club back into finals contention “quickly”, although Nisbett did not put a time frame on the rebuild.

“It is possible, but you have to be very strategic. That’s what we’re aiming to do,” he said.
“We don’t aim to be out of the eight ... for a long period (of time).”
Nisbett also backed embattled coach Adam Simpson, who is contracted until the end of 2024, to lead the team out of the disastrous depths of this season.

The long-time administrator admitted Simpson, although “extremely resilient”, had struggled with some of the criticism levelled at him over the course of the season.

“He’s like everyone, sometimes you lose your confidence when things aren’t going well and so we have to pick him up from time to time when he’s heavily criticised,” Nisbett said.

“And he’s no different to anybody else. Sometimes it’s so personal, the criticism, you think that he has no feelings.
“And that’s really disappointing, when people start to attack Adam’s credibility because he’s been a wonderful coach for us and will be into the future.

Trevor Nisbett spoke at a Perth Football League function on Friday. null
“He’ll be back and he’ll get this team up and about and it’s just a matter of time now.”

Nisbett also rubbished calls to sack the 2018 premiership coach saying “a lot of clubs” will fold to pressure and take that route for a quick fix, only to suffer in both the short and long term.

“The first thing they do after sacking the CEO, they sack the coach and that often happens in football clubs,” he said.
“But if you hold your nerve and you stay the course, things change and they turn a lot quicker than people think.”



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Dylan82 said:
Contrary to popular opinion from elsewhere in the country, Tasmania is not a "Green" state politically.

It may have had its foundations there over Gordon River, but the party has never captured widespread support within that state.


Take the Federal election last month - Greens in Tasmania polled 11% of the vote, which is lower than what they managed in both WA and Queensland.
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That's because they're still outnumbered by the people born there (to a pair of cousins)
 

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Carbine Chaos said:
‘It was lauded (at the time) as one of the best trading deals in the history of the game.’

Who said this, exactly?
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Was thinking the same thing....


Kind of shows the bubble they're living in over at Mineral Resources Park.
 
Tugga27 said:

West Coast Eagles CEO Trevor Nisbett admits Tim Kelly trade in 2019 ‘hasn’t worked’ as club begins big rebuild​

West Coast CEO Trevor Nisbett has admitted the costly, big-money trade with Geelong for homesick star Tim Kelly “hasn’t worked”.
The Eagles coughed up picks 14, 27 and 37, as well as a future first round pick, for Kelly in 2019 - one year after claiming the flag - but Nisbett on Friday confessed the gamble hadn’t paid off.

“When you make those decisions you make them based around trying to win the next premiership and that’s how we made that decision,” Nisbett told a Perth Football League event.

“When we traded for Tim, he came into our club as a ready-made player. It was lauded (at the time) as one of the best trading deals in the history of the game.
“(The deal) hasn’t worked because the people around him have fallen away and we haven’t had a fit, healthy squad. We haven’t gotten it right.

“So now you go back to the drawing board and try and get it right.”
Despite his blunt assessment, Nisbett defended Kelly - who has played 46 games for the Eagles over three seasons - saying the 27-year-old had held up his end of the bargain.

“He’s playing great footy at the moment yet people want to criticise him and they shouldn’t be criticising him,” Nisbett said.
“If people didn’t like the deal, that’s fine. But they certainly shouldn’t be criticising Tim for what he’s doing and how he’s performed (since arriving at the West Coast).”

Nisbett, 64, said the situation at the Eagles, who sit at the bottom of the ladder with a 1-11 record at the halfway mark of the season, is as “difficult as I’ve experienced”.

Tim Kelly’s arrival hasn’t delivered West Coast another premiership. AFL Photos
“The expectation from our members ... is to be successful,” he said.
“And it’s certainly an expectation we set as a board and we set as staff and players and consequently, when you’re not successful, that’s when people are looking at you very closely and saying well, what have you done wrong?”
With the Kelly trade among the club’s main sticking points with critics, Nisbett said bringing in more ready-made players is “not our strategy” this off-season.

“We have gone back to the draft last year, we’ll do the same this year,” he said.
“We’ll pick players that we believe are talented and have the potential to help us in the short, medium and long term.”

Instead the Eagles will be selecting players to get the club back into finals contention “quickly”, although Nisbett did not put a time frame on the rebuild.

“It is possible, but you have to be very strategic. That’s what we’re aiming to do,” he said.
“We don’t aim to be out of the eight ... for a long period (of time).”
Nisbett also backed embattled coach Adam Simpson, who is contracted until the end of 2024, to lead the team out of the disastrous depths of this season.

The long-time administrator admitted Simpson, although “extremely resilient”, had struggled with some of the criticism levelled at him over the course of the season.

“He’s like everyone, sometimes you lose your confidence when things aren’t going well and so we have to pick him up from time to time when he’s heavily criticised,” Nisbett said.

“And he’s no different to anybody else. Sometimes it’s so personal, the criticism, you think that he has no feelings.
“And that’s really disappointing, when people start to attack Adam’s credibility because he’s been a wonderful coach for us and will be into the future.

Trevor Nisbett spoke at a Perth Football League function on Friday. null
“He’ll be back and he’ll get this team up and about and it’s just a matter of time now.”

Nisbett also rubbished calls to sack the 2018 premiership coach saying “a lot of clubs” will fold to pressure and take that route for a quick fix, only to suffer in both the short and long term.

“The first thing they do after sacking the CEO, they sack the coach and that often happens in football clubs,” he said.
“But if you hold your nerve and you stay the course, things change and they turn a lot quicker than people think.”



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Lol - what's the bet we fire our coach and CEO next year.
 
Rowan18 said:
Lol - what's the bet we fire our coach and CEO next year.
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Both should be already gone.


Further evidence of Nisbett no longer being fit for the role. Why even make a comment about the Kelly trade, it's already obvious to all that it has not turned out as hoped - all you are doing is inviting further criticism of the club and placing more public ire towards Kelly, who has been the club's best player during this unfortunate shambles of a season.

And banging on about the coach just needing "a matter of time" when 15 of the last 16 matches have been losses and percentage is at competition record lows, just makes it look like he has jumped the shark when it comes to the management of anything at the club other than the bottom line.
 
Dylan82 said:
Both should be already gone.


Further evidence of Nisbett no longer being fit for the role. Why even make a comment about the Kelly trade, it's already obvious to all that it has not turned out as hoped - all you are doing is inviting further criticism of the club and placing more public ire towards Kelly, who has been the club's best player during this unfortunate shambles of a season.

And banging on about the coach just needing "a matter of time" when 15 of the last 16 matches have been losses and percentage is at competition record lows, just makes it look like he has jumped the shark when it comes to the management of anything at the club other than the bottom line.
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Yes and no.

I look at it like trading stocks/crypto.

When the market dumps and you're at a loss, you don't just sell for pennies and chase the next big thing. That's a surefire way to lose money.

You hold your proven projects and see how things go before deciding whether to salvage whatever capital you have remaining, or choosing to hold because you see a future and can weather the storm.

Right now we're in a 'hold and see' scenario. Sacking the coach/CEO right at this moment is simply a panic sell and a surefire way to end up a perennial basket-case like Carlton were for 20 years.
 

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Any analysis of his speech is really troubling. This is not some DH at closing time in your local. Here’s just a sample.

So 2x1sts plus 2x2nds for TK and a 3rd …

‘It was lauded (at the time) as one of the best trading deals in the history of the game.’

… this is bordering on delusional.


Add in the contradictory statements …

Nisbett said bringing in more ready-made players is “not our strategy” this off-season.

“We have gone back to the draft last year, we’ll do the same this year,” he said.
“We’ll pick players that we believe are talented and have the potential to help us in the short, medium and long term.”
(Ok so how do draftees help in short/ medium term?)
Instead the Eagles will be selecting players to get the club back into finals contention “quickly”,
(Sorry if only draftees they alone won’t get us there quickly? He’s all over the shop.)


Finally just raising the issue - a dead issue - shows incredibly bad judgement and unnecessarily adds pressure to TK.

(Let’s not forget that regardless of whether the trade was good or bad TK was only a pawn in the whole thing. How must he - and his team mates - feel hearing this?)

Nesbitt’s sounding like a loose cannon or a complete tosser - or both.
 
bzparkes said:
Yes and no.

I look at it like trading stocks/crypto.

When the market dumps and you're at a loss, you don't just sell for pennies and chase the next big thing. That's a surefire way to lose money.

You hold your proven projects and see how things go before deciding whether to salvage whatever capital you have remaining, or choosing to hold because you see a future and can weather the storm.

Right now we're in a 'hold and see' scenario. Sacking the coach/CEO right at this moment is simply a panic sell and a surefire way to end up a perennial basket-case like Carlton were for 20 years.
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15 losses from 16, with 11 of those by more than 30 points.

The same course has been kept for 12 months. Nothing has changed.

Richmond was six weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

Not taking action is only going to maintain the same circumstances that have resulted in this season from hell.


Three successive 60 point losses was enough to end Worsfold in 2013. Woosha didn't have 2.5 years of a big contract remaining back then however.


We have a CEO that won't remove the worst performing coach in the competition over the past year; a period that is undeniably the worst ever experienced by the club in its history - simply because he does not want to pay out the contract.

The same CEO who has also appointed his own son as a recruiting officer at the club.

Let's face it, the club across each of the men's, women's and reserves is in a bad way at the moment and it hasn't happened overnight - making the CEO accountable for that and removing them is hardly a panic move, particularly when that person has held the position increasingly as a fiefdom over 23 years.


Meanwhile, the person who is generally regarded as being the best AFL coach of the modern era happens to be available on the market.

That's the proven stock right there.
 
Dylan82 said:
15 losses from 16, with 11 of those by more than 30 points.

The same course has been kept for 12 months. Nothing has changed.

Richmond was six weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

Not taking action is only going to maintain the same circumstances that have resulted in this season from hell.


Three successive 60 point losses was enough to end Worsfold in 2013. Woosha didn't have 2.5 years of a big contract remaining back then however.


We have a CEO that won't remove the worst performing coach in the competition over the past year; a period that is undeniably the worst ever experienced by the club in its history - simply because he does not want to pay out the contract.

The same CEO who has also appointed his own son as a recruiting officer at the club.

Let's face it, the club across each of the men's, women's and reserves is in a bad way at the moment and it hasn't happened overnight - making the CEO accountable for that and removing them is hardly a panic move, particularly when that person has held the position increasingly as a fiefdom over 23 years.


Meanwhile, the person who is generally regarded as being the best AFL coach of the modern era happens to be available on the market.

That's the proven stock right there.
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The other thing about stocks/crypto is that sometimes people hold on too long to great past performers and they never recover.

Clarko could very much be one of those, as could Simmo.
 
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