Preview 2022 Rd 20 Carlton vs Adelaide Saturday July 30 7:30PM @ Adelaide Oval - Team Post #586

[thylacine60]

you serpico'd idiot........

 

[JustaBattler]

Don't like the singling out when you're on the receiving end. Intriguing.

Want my view? I've posted it. Pitto for JSOS, rest the lionheart (against his wishes but for his benefit), play TDK as the third forward/ruck relief. Hewett for literally whichever mid is most in need of a spell. Would consider resting a young small forward like Durdin or Motlop if there is someone suitable to replace them.

Now this I haven't posted, but thinking about it further, that last could potentially be an avenue to fit Dow in. Give any or all of Cotters, Kennedy, Fisher, Cripps etc. some more forward time, rejig the midfield/wing rotations accordingly, and free up enough time for Dow to do a 50/25/25 mid/fwd/bench split.

He might not be a gun forward, but I do agree with the earlier poster who suggested he'd have a hard time failing to match the output of a Durdin or Motlop on a per minute basis. Not good for him to be pigeon-holed there for entire games, but 25% TOG in the forward line would be viable if he can have a big impact in 50% TOG on the ball.

IMO : Would not be a 'hard time' - it would be an impossible and unfair ask of Dow to try and have repeat burst speed defensive efforts as a small and then come on in. rotation and expect to win the hard ball and dispose properly within a team system - he hasn't got the tank for it and has not trained or played in such a role - no way does Voss toss out his playbook to 'fit' Dow in as you and others are suggesting - at the cost of weakening other parts of his structure and team game - As a forward he is up against aa returning Owies /Martin as well as blokes Voss likes atm in Honey/Durdin and Motlop all of whom a re atouch or two away from kicking 2-3 games - no way does Voss chuck the development and cohesion away to fit DOw in for 25% of time as a witches hat.

More likely though that he gets a game as a mid because Hewett is no certainty for the Adelaide game and neither is Walsh.

Dow is exactly where he should have been in years one and two of his career - working on his craft in VFL and improving every week eg LDU has only come on this year at Norfs ...doesn't need to wear faux congratulations about where he is - he has a group of coaches around him that know what it takes for a player to succeed - finally.

 

[Blue Reaper]

Do you think my post was solely directed at you? But I guess the other part of the post was completely ignored as well

I get it, you and a few others want Dow in, I want the best team picked

I’ll have one of each, please. And a rush on the order.

 

[Accidental genius]

Don’t doubt you have far superior knowledge here…..but……not a hope in hell Worpa misses.

Zero chance.

what makes you so certain? looked very sore before coming off.

ok he played it out (and played well) but there has to be a chance he doesnt make it.

you dont need to be a medical doctor to know that.

 

[Blue Reaper]

No

Not even on the wing?

 

[windows1]

what makes you so certain? looked very sore before coming off.

ok he played it out (and played well) but there has to be a chance he doesnt make it.

you dont need to be a medical doctor to know that.

Well because I study him like a hawk. As you know. He is hyper competitive. To a level I don’t recall in any Carlton player. Competitive as a team. As an individual. He’s desperate to be the best. Specific evidence is that he had ankle surgery for his syndesmosis and played a month later. A month. Not sure anyone before or since has recovered as quickly. He was clearly under done as shown by his form up to round 8. Probably playing sore. He played because he wants to win. He played because he wants team and I focus l accolades. He wants it ALL. He has an insatiable appetite to be the greatest he can possibly be. Miss no games. He would rather play under done, back his smarts, add to his career, give his team a slightly better chance of winning….and back himself to get better again by the following week. He will ice it, rest it, mobilise it, treat it. Even if inflammation is up he will strap it and take pain killers. He just won’t miss. He’s still an AA chance. B+F chance. We are still a top 4 chance. Need to win fo get top 8.

Sam Walsh ain’t watching on this week. No ****ing way.

 

[Blue__Balls]

IMO : Would not be a 'hard time' - it would be an impossible and unfair ask of Dow to try and have repeat burst speed defensive efforts as a small and then come on in. rotation and expect to win the hard ball and dispose properly within a team system - he hasn't got the tank for it and has not trained or played in such a role - no way does Voss toss out his playbook to 'fit' Dow in as you and others are suggesting - at the cost of weakening other parts of his structure and team game - As a forward he is up against aa returning Owies /Martin as well as blokes Voss likes atm in Honey/Durdin and Motlop all of whom a re atouch or two away from kicking 2-3 games - no way does Voss chuck the development and cohesion away to fit DOw in for 25% of time as a witches hat.

More likely though that he gets a game as a mid because Hewett is no certainty for the Adelaide game and neither is Walsh.

Dow is exactly where he should have been in years one and two of his career - working on his craft in VFL and improving every week eg LDU has only come on this year at Norfs ...doesn't need to wear faux congratulations about where he is - he has a group of coaches around him that know what it takes for a player to succeed - finally.

Oh I'm not calling for Dow to be picked at all, as a mid or a forward or something in between. I was asked for my view on selection and gave it. Pitto and Hewett in, JSOS and a mid rested/managed, open to resting a young small forward if there's a viable replacement.

I suggested that the last could be an avenue to getting Dow in. I don't think it's likely, nor do I think it's beneficial. I like Fisher getting the ball through the middle a lot more than I like him loitering in a forward pocket. I like Cripps and Kennedy at the stoppages a lot more than I like them getting blocking up Harry and Charlie's leading lanes. I like Cottrell sprinting up and back the defensive wing a lot more than I like him relatively static on a forward flank. And those are the players we'd need to shift to bring Dow in for a forward.

But I would also be very curious to see how our stoppage setups would look with Dow getting 50% or more CBAs. And while I haven't seen anywhere near enough VFL to make a call, all I can go off is reports from a few others who have suggested he's lifted his defensive workrate and is staying more involved as an outside mid than he was before.

 

[Jimmae]

I think that if we play 2 rucks Pitto will be ready as he can have lengthy breaks. 3 wings is a luxury, though Cotters could play High half forward for much of the game with Honey closer to goal. Sadly for Dow I don't think they are going to drop LOB or Setters after the weekends game. Setters got plenty and generally used it well and LOB put the ball in the slot for his forwards to mark, even if this weeks some of it was more good luck than skill.

With the fitness levels of our squad right now I think the idea of a ruck spending 50 minutes of the game on the bench isn't just a luxury, it's a fantasy.

Which one of his 1 inside 50’s did you not like?

Ooh, ooh, I know!

The one with a little over 10 mins on the clock in the third quarter that landed in Charlie's lap, leading to a goal.

Was the worst.

It came off, but that was a blind clearance.

Doc gets a bit headless when he receives the ball in the attacking half. Never averaged more than 0.4 for goal assists in his career and you can see why when he kicks into the 50.

By far his greatest weakness as a player, and why I'm happy for him to never be a winger.

 

[Blue__Balls]

With the fitness levels of our squad right now I think the idea of a ruck spending 50 minutes of the game on the bench isn't just a luxury, it's a fantasy.




It came off, but that was a blind clearance.

Doc gets a bit headless when he receives the ball in the attacking half. Never averaged more than 0.4 for goal assists in his career and you can see why when he kicks into the 50.

By far his greatest weakness as a player, and why I'm happy for him to never be a winger.

On the other hand - if Doc is delivering inside 50 then there are probably 30 players ahead of him. Not really conducive to more than a kick to the predictable contest and hope we can take the contested mark, crumb it, or force a stoppage.

His kicking certainly isn't elite, but it's par or better with Cotters, Newnes or Setters, who are our alternative options for the defensive wing.

 

[Schoonerman]

Well because I study him like a hawk. As you know. He is hyper competitive. To a level I don’t recall in any Carlton player. Competitive as a team. As an individual. He’s desperate to be the best. Specific evidence is that he had ankle surgery for his syndesmosis and played a month later. A month. Not sure anyone before or since has recovered as quickly. He was clearly under done as shown by his form up to round 8. Probably playing sore. He played because he wants to win. He played because he wants team and I focus l accolades. He wants it ALL. He has an insatiable appetite to be the greatest he can possibly be. Miss no games. He would rather play under done, back his smarts, add to his career, give his team a slightly better chance of winning….and back himself to get better again by the following week. He will ice it, rest it, mobilise it, treat it. Even if inflammation is up he will strap it and take pain killers. He just won’t miss. He’s still an AA chance. B+F chance. We are still a top 4 chance. Need to win fo get top 8.

Sam Walsh ain’t watching on this week. No ******* way.

You forgot one thing Big W
He’s still a sneaky Brownlow chance
Absolutely our biggest star

 

[jooce8891]

Well because I study him like a hawk. As you know. He is hyper competitive. To a level I don’t recall in any Carlton player. Competitive as a team. As an individual. He’s desperate to be the best. Specific evidence is that he had ankle surgery for his syndesmosis and played a month later. A month. Not sure anyone before or since has recovered as quickly. He was clearly under done as shown by his form up to round 8. Probably playing sore. He played because he wants to win. He played because he wants team and I focus l accolades. He wants it ALL. He has an insatiable appetite to be the greatest he can possibly be. Miss no games. He would rather play under done, back his smarts, add to his career, give his team a slightly better chance of winning….and back himself to get better again by the following week. He will ice it, rest it, mobilise it, treat it. Even if inflammation is up he will strap it and take pain killers. He just won’t miss. He’s still an AA chance. B+F chance. We are still a top 4 chance. Need to win fo get top 8.

Sam Walsh ain’t watching on this week. No ******* way.

do you reckon he has the chance of becoming the goat carlton player by the end of his career?

 

[Justnetime]

Well because I study him like a hawk. As you know. He is hyper competitive. To a level I don’t recall in any Carlton player. Competitive as a team. As an individual. He’s desperate to be the best. Specific evidence is that he had ankle surgery for his syndesmosis and played a month later. A month. Not sure anyone before or since has recovered as quickly. He was clearly under done as shown by his form up to round 8. Probably playing sore. He played because he wants to win. He played because he wants team and I focus l accolades. He wants it ALL. He has an insatiable appetite to be the greatest he can possibly be. Miss no games. He would rather play under done, back his smarts, add to his career, give his team a slightly better chance of winning….and back himself to get better again by the following week. He will ice it, rest it, mobilise it, treat it. Even if inflammation is up he will strap it and take pain killers. He just won’t miss. He’s still an AA chance. B+F chance. We are still a top 4 chance. Need to win fo get top 8.

Sam Walsh ain’t watching on this week. No ******* way.

If there are five people worth reading on this board, you are definitely one with your insights. I’m totally on board with your call.

Having said that, watch him miss lol.

 

[Benga]

With the fitness levels of our squad right now I think the idea of a ruck spending 50 minutes of the game on the bench isn't just a luxury, it's a fantasy.




It came off, but that was a blind clearance.

Doc gets a bit headless when he receives the ball in the attacking half. Never averaged more than 0.4 for goal assists in his career and you can see why when he kicks into the 50.

By far his greatest weakness as a player, and why I'm happy for him to never be a winger.

Only averages 2.6 inside 50s a game, not a lot when you consider he’s getting the ball 28 times a game. Don’t think it’s a major issue, even if it is a weakness.

Delivery inside 50 is a major issue in general, however. Personally, I reckon I could list off a dozen players who are on par with Doch.

 

[Accidental genius]

Well because I study him like a hawk. As you know. He is hyper competitive. To a level I don’t recall in any Carlton player. Competitive as a team. As an individual. He’s desperate to be the best. Specific evidence is that he had ankle surgery for his syndesmosis and played a month later. A month. Not sure anyone before or since has recovered as quickly. He was clearly under done as shown by his form up to round 8. Probably playing sore. He played because he wants to win. He played because he wants team and I focus l accolades. He wants it ALL. He has an insatiable appetite to be the greatest he can possibly be. Miss no games. He would rather play under done, back his smarts, add to his career, give his team a slightly better chance of winning….and back himself to get better again by the following week. He will ice it, rest it, mobilise it, treat it. Even if inflammation is up he will strap it and take pain killers. He just won’t miss. He’s still an AA chance. B+F chance. We are still a top 4 chance. Need to win fo get top 8.

Sam Walsh ain’t watching on this week. No ******* way.

yeah he is a competitive freak alright....when he came off with the injury...

doctors: walshy you cant continue playing with this ankle injury... you'll make it worse

walsh: strap the ****er and spray some water on it...it'll be ok..

comes back on and plays like a man possessed.

 

[Dadda Dave]

I am a Norwood person

But the big question is ..
Can you run through the middle and linkk up between the arcs.??

 

[kenhunter]

OUT: Motlop
IN: Dow

Fisher back up the ground more, Walsh more on the outside.

Get the feeling that Hewett won't come up and Pittonet won't be ready, while Martin and Owies should return via VFL to assess their fitness.

Use fresh legs instead of trying to hold everything together with sticky tape.

It's also absolutely critical that we're minimising how often Docherty gets the opportunity to send the ball inside 50, he's genuinely below average at hitting a target there once the zone is setup.

Tell him to go for goal if it's on, but otherwise draw a player and fire off a handball.

Doc had been hitting fwd targets but has been missing of late

 

[kenhunter]

Out: Motlop and Durdin
In: pitto and hewett

Fisher returns to play majority forward but will swap with Cotterell lob and setters on the wing at times a move up as the HHF.

Pitto TDK will spend some time forward and bench with ruck duties. JSOS will be forward all game and play that forward pressure role he’s so good at. Will get a role on Dawson I guess.

Hewett will play a defensive role on laird which will ease him back in from the back issue.

could be right

 

[Neese]

But the big question is ..
Can you run through the middle and linkk up between the arcs.??

Hell no. I don't run.

 

[Benaly28]

I’m sure it’s been mentioned before but a quirk in the fixture that we have back to back interstate trips.


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[Stiffler's Dad]

So who goes out for pitto and Hewett
All the whipping boys ie Plowman obrien Setterfield Cottrell all played there roles on the wkend and of the small forwards honey was the best so i think one of Durdin or motlop miss out so not sure who goes out for Hewett

Motlop is the obvious one out.
He's had a good taste and he's only a kid. Give him the rest big the year in the Magoo's.
The second omission I have no idea. The bloke's being discussed all had very good games. I think Setterfield bad his best game for the club Sunday. Cottrell is contributing in multiple facets and dropping him slows us up significantly. O'Brien played good as well. His kaos kicks into the 50 netted us a couple of goals. Not his worst game by a mile.
I'll leave it up to the match committee to select the team this week.

 

[Cringle]

Even if Walsh does want to play.

With finals coming up - maybe it isn’t a bad idea to take the week off and ensure he’s at his peak for the last month.

Hewett comes back in and it isn’t a massive net loss.

 

[Garters]

Completely different levels of footy, but Dow as a small forward? No way

Many seem really desperate to get him in

Was with a colleague today who is conected to someone at Richmond and they were saying how they are interested in how Dow will go next year, ie with them and that he won't be at Carlton next year. Bit concerning, hope it is not the case but coming from him makes me nervous.

 

[windows1]

do you reckon he has the chance of becoming the goat carlton player by the end of his career?

Depends what you call Judd and Williams given they played half their careers elsewhere and questionable as to whether they were at their best with us. He has every chance to be better than any other than those two that I’ve seen. Not because his best is better. But because his consistency is out of this world. And he tries harder than any player I can recall. Always. All game. Every game. Every training session. Every everyhting. I expect him to end his career as a multiple premiership player. Norm Smith medallist. 8x AA. 6 time B+F. Brownlow medallist.

And I’m not sure that I’m not under selling him.

 

[Wickzki]

I’m sure it’s been mentioned before but a quirk in the fixture that we have back to back interstate trips.


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Teams that play "interstate" trips in back-to-back weekends:

Sydney (x2); Gold Coast (x2)
Brisbane (x1)
Carlton (x1)
Western Bulldogs (x1 - Brisbane, Sydney in r16/17)
St. Kilda (x1 - Manuka Oval, Cazaly's Stadium in r6/7)
Port Adelaide (x1)
Hawthorn (x1 - Vs Brisbane, TIO Stadium in r10/11)
GWS (not counting Canberra, x1)
Adelaide (x1)
North Melbourne (x2 Gabba, SCG in r3/4, Optus, Blundstone r8/9)

AFL was able to satisfy WA's request of having a game there each week of the season as neither Freo or WCE are impacted by this.

 

[Wickzki]

Even if Walsh does want to play.

With finals coming up - maybe it isn’t a bad idea to take the week off and ensure he’s at his peak for the last month.

Hewett comes back in and it isn’t a massive net loss.

Gotta get there first.

Have a feeling he'll play this week if he's in a playable condition.

If we win, however, it'll be intriguing to see what type of team they bring up here to Brisbane the next weekend. If ever there was an acceptable "rest" weekend it's that one then throw everything at Melbourne and Collingwood.