Who wants a Republic?

[Ned_Flanders]

Is your republicanism driven by an 'Irish Australian' inferiority complex like it is for so many?

no, my republicanism is driven by the notion that i believe australians can have a head of state who is an australian, and that i dont think entitled inbred europeans need to be our sovereign

 

[mighty tiges]

Is your republicanism driven by an 'Irish Australian' inferiority complex like it is for so many?

Is your foreign monarchism driven by an anti-Australian 'culture cringe' inferiority complex like it is for so many?

 

[Hojuman]

Can't believe in 2022 at the swearing in of our 47th parliament that we ask our elected representatives to swear allegiance " to HRH the queen and her heirs and successors "

What would they do if Linda Burney said " l refuse " ?

 

[tandino]

Can't believe in 2022 at the swearing in of our 47th parliament that we ask our elected representatives to swear allegiance " to HRH the queen and her heirs and successors "

What would they do if Linda Burney said " l refuse " ?

Why would she refuse?

 

[Call Me Cake]

We could all stay at our parents' places forever. Washing done, food cooked, clothes ironed, most bills taken care of. Life would've been good. Life wouldn've been comfortable. All would be well, to be honest.

But why move out?

Because principle. Because you can't live and see yourself as an adult, and expect others to treat you like an adult, if you didn't risk sheer comfortability for the purpose of forging it out on your own and having the confidence in yourself to do it on your own.

The same goes for our country, and us as Australians.

And the ideal scenario is that we expect this country to exist forever. Not just for our generation, but for those 100, 200, 500+ years from now. So whilst there may not be an urgency now - our identity as a nation on it's own two feet will need it eventually, and it's incumbent on us to see that no action today is in vain when the end result is foreseen - and is for the benefit of the pathway to it.

 

[tandino]

We could all stay at our parents' places forever. Washing done, food cooked, clothes ironed, most bills taken care of. Life would've been good. Life wouldn've been comfortable. All would be well, to be honest.

But why move out?

Because principle. Because you can't live and see yourself as an adult, and expect others to treat you like an adult, if you didn't risk sheer comfortability for the purpose of forging it out on your own and having the confidence in yourself to do it on your own.

We're the children of divorce being shuffled around between the UK and the US.

 

[Father Jack]

It should have been done decades ago.

 

[footyfan1978]

Can't believe in 2022 at the swearing in of our 47th parliament that we ask our elected representatives to swear allegiance " to HRH the queen and her heirs and successors "

It's our own fault.
Idiot voters let Howard get his way over two decades ago and this is why we still here.

 

[andrewmillman]

We could all stay at our parents' places forever. Washing done, food cooked, clothes ironed, most bills taken care of. Life would've been good. Life wouldn've been comfortable. All would be well, to be honest.

But why move out?

Because principle. Because you can't live and see yourself as an adult, and expect others to treat you like an adult, if you didn't risk sheer comfortability for the purpose of forging it out on your own and having the confidence in yourself to do it on your own.

The same goes for our country, and us as Australians.

And the ideal scenario is that we expect this country to exist forever. Not just for our generation, but for those 100, 200, 500+ years from now. So whilst there may not be an urgency now - our identity as a nation on it's own two feet will need it eventually, and it's incumbent on us to see that no action today is in vain when the end result is foreseen - and is for the benefit of the pathway to it.

In what practical way do "our parents" (the UK) have any control over us?

 

[Call Me Cake]

In what practical way do "our parents" (the UK) have any control over us?

When a person doesn't leave home as an adult, their parents don't necessarily have control over them, and it is a mutual agreement that more-so benefits the adult at the home, due to a lightened load on living expenses, a delegation of chores and errands. Some adults "fail to launch", because they ask themselves one question: "if my parents have no actual control over me, and I am comfortable... then why leave?"

Principle.

 

[Chief]

Cut the cord today. GG to have no job when he returns, as it should be.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Greens leader Adam Bandt has called for Australia to become a republic in the wake of the Queen’s death.

'Now, Australia must move forward. We need Treaty with First Nations people, and we need to become a Republic.'

 

[Cuzz09]

Why change?

Stay in the Commonwealth.

What's it going to achieve?

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[JackFlash]

Adam Bandt should hang his head in shame today, she's not even cold and this bloke is calling for a republic. It's a sad day today whetherr you are a royalist or not, even Johnny Rotten has said "she will be missed" Once stating "It's not her fault she was born into a gilded cage". Bandts comments should be condemmend. Republic talk can wait until people can at least mourn for a little while...

 

[Bluelegs]

Adam Bandt should hang his head in shame today, she's not even cold and this bloke is calling for a republic. It's a sad day today whetherr you are a royalist or not, even Johnny Rotten has said "she will be missed" Once stating "It's not her fault she was born into a gilded cage". Bandts comments should be condemmend. Republic talk can wait until people can at least mourn for a little while...

Nonsense. She could have abdicated at any point in her life. She obviously liked being Queen and was a firm believer in the commonwealth and British colonialism. She was an adversary of anyone who supports the republican movement.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Adam Bandt should hang his head in shame today, she's not even cold and this bloke is calling for a republic. It's a sad day today whetherr you are a royalist or not, even Johnny Rotten has said "she will be missed" Once stating "It's not her fault she was born into a gilded cage". Bandts comments should be condemmend. Republic talk can wait until people can at least mourn for a little while...

Johnny Rotten these days is a right wing nut .
Adam Bandt is quite correct in what he says.
The royal family itself had plans in place for after her death because it is a political situation as well as a human passing.

 

[westie]

Adam Bandt should hang his head in shame today, she's not even cold and this bloke is calling for a republic. It's a sad day today whetherr you are a royalist or not, even Johnny Rotten has said "she will be missed" Once stating "It's not her fault she was born into a gilded cage". Bandts comments should be condemmend. Republic talk can wait until people can at least mourn for a little while...

That's Bandt being the arsewipe that he is!

 

[quotemokc]

If we become a republic does that mean we no longer have to put up with the Commonwealth games?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

That's Bandt being the arsewipe that he is!

Yeah what an arsewipe. One of the few in parliament trying to save the world from climate catastrophe.

 

[Crow54]

Australia wasn't her property, this isn't like we're discussing how to split up her inheritance. How is it disrespectful to re-ignite the conversation about our nations ambition for self-determination? Who is being disrespected?

It's being disrespectful to her memory. We can have that conversation at a later date. For goodness' sake, she hasn't even had her funeral yet! I'm not saying we can never have a republic, but give those who respected and liked her a chance to mourn her. You'll only put people offside if you start yammering about a republic a day after she's passed away.

 

[Bluelegs]

It's being disrespectful to her memory. We can have that conversation at a later date. For goodness' sake, she hasn't even had her funeral yet! I'm not saying we can never have a republic, but give those who respected and liked her a chance to mourn her. You'll only put people offside if you start yammering about a republic a day after she's passed away.

I really don't see how those who wish to mourn the queen are prevented from doing so. It is not a comment on her personally. If our country's desire for independence is inherently harmful to her memory then it doesn't say much for her legacy. It just supports the view that her role was only in service of upholding a nation's desire to desperately cling on to a fading empire.

If we're talking about reflection, she was one of the most major political figures of the past century, and many will remember her as one of the most privileged people who ever lived, born into an undemocratic position of power and that her tenure was fundamentally immoral and harmful.

 

[Gough]

We can certainly have a debate about that at the right time. This is not the right time.

I appreciate what you're saying but when is the right time, after the funeral, after Charles' coronation? I see the need is to get on the front foot now because for those that oppose a republic there'll never be a right time.

 

[Crow54]

I appreciate what you're saying but when is the right time, after the funeral, after Charles' coronation? I see the need is to get on the front foot now because for those that oppose a republic there'll never be a right time.

Well, that is true, but I'd say at least give it a couple of months. I would imagine the coronation won't happen until next year. I think in the long run it'll be better for republicans to wait, otherwise emotions will be running high, and there'll be less chance of getting things changed if a referendum is held too soon.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I appreciate what you're saying but when is the right time, after the funeral, after Charles' coronation? I see the need is to get on the front foot now because for those that oppose a republic there'll never be a right time.

The right time would probably be after any official mourning period. After that it would be entirely appropriate to debate the future of the Monarchy in Australia and elsewhere, probably not a better time to do so.

 

[Festerz]

The right time would probably be after any official mourning period. After that it would be entirely appropriate to debate the future of the Monarchy in Australia and elsewhere, probably not a better time to do so.

Agreed.

And this time make it a proper and informed discussion about the need for Australia to move away from being a constitutional monarchy.

And then a 2 stage process:

1. A plebiscite on whether Australians want to move to a republic; and if a move to a republic has majority support

2. A process for debating alternative models for putting to a referendum.

Not the BS rigged referendum on confusing models Howard designed which was always doomed to failure and set back the republican cause decades.