Review Round 6, 2024 - Brisbane Lions vs. Geelong

[Squizz89]

Geez that was hard as to witness last nite at the game. It had a sense of inevitability to it.

Deficiencies are still there. As an example. Hipwood has an absurdly long 40m run up line up for goal. I actually expect him.to spray it most times. Can he not change his routine up? Goalkicking coach? Can we put him on a flank?

Forward entries. Bomb long and hope charlie outruns them. Or a contested mark gets snagged. Not happening.

Some players are badly out of form. Bailey. Rayner puts in when he wants.

its v clear we need fresh coaching ideas including a new ruck coach. Fagan should move into player liason head and someone with new ideas brought it.

We also prob have a fitness issue for whatever reason as fagan eluded to a few weeks ago where they focussed less on running in the preseason. We also really lack pace and drive which is clear as with conor out atm

Agree he was terrible last night. Zero disposals. Zero tackles. Trade him off the back of that!

 

[WhiteLionfever]

Little things count. Missed kicks in the warm up last nite in front of me.
40m run ups from hipwood that look absurd.
Before the bounce v freo few weeks ago with freo in the shade and us in the blaring sun
Ill discipline from our leaders giving away stupid free kicks

We are miles away from a geelong or sydney in terms of systems. We have v little plan b's and coaches refuse to be proactive and adjust eg cats player playing as a spare defender and rebounding. Players badly out of form still playing.

 

[Nunez]

Any chance HSmith will debut or do we play it safe with Fort?

My only concern would be whether Smith could ruck out a full game.

I think Fort will have to come in, but Smith for Gardiner gives us plenty of flexibility in the ruck and Henry some well earned exposure to AFL level football. Briggs is a unit so don't mind the double teaming either.

 

[M Malice]

Little things count. Missed kicks in the warm up last nite in front of me.
40m run ups from hipwood that look absurd.
Before the bounce v freo few weeks ago with freo in the shade and us in the blaring sun
Ill discipline from our leaders giving away stupid free kicks

We are miles away from a geelong or sydney in terms of systems. We have v little plan b's and coaches refuse to be proactive and adjust eg cats player playing as a spare defender and rebounding. Players badly out of form still playing.

When Charlie had a set shot early my son said to me, Charlie has been missing this exact shot to the right all through the warm up, sure enough it faded to the right for a point.

 

[Mr Ripper]

I worry about Smith's robustness should he get the call-up.

 

[Tassie4ever]

Geez that was hard as to witness last nite at the game. It had a sense of inevitability to it.

Deficiencies are still there. As an example. Hipwood has an absurdly long 40m run up line up for goal. I actually expect him.to spray it most times. Can he not change his routine up? Goalkicking coach? Can we put him on a flank?

Forward entries. Bomb long and hope charlie outruns them. Or a contested mark gets snagged. Not happening.

Some players are badly out of form. Bailey. Rayner puts in when he wants.

its v clear we need fresh coaching ideas including a new ruck coach. Fagan should move into player liason head and someone with new ideas brought it.

We also prob have a fitness issue for whatever reason as fagan eluded to a few weeks ago where they focussed less on running in the preseason. We also really lack pace and drive which is clear as with conor out atm

Its not only Eric's absurd run up which borders on the ridiculous. It's his totally unacceptable body language when it all goes wrong. I often think maybe JB might possibly have a whisper in his shell-like. Put it this way. I don't think he would survive a nano second under Dimma down the road.

As to Rayner. He has shown what he is capable of. He now has a responsibility to.maintain it. Every week. Even when it's wet and horrible and tough.

While on the rant nothing excuses Payne"s lack of physical effort whether in form or not. Unacceptable.

Others here have posted that Berry was among if not our best. Seriously. Again another who looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. If Answorth was dropped was apparently dropped for his crap kicking why isn't he.

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[Section 5]

Its not only Eric's absurd run up which borders on the ridiculous. It's his totally unacceptable body language when it all goes wrong. I often think maybe JB might possibly have a whisper in his shell-like. Put it this way. I don't think he would survive a nano second under Dimma down the road.

As to Rayner. He has shown what he is capable of. He now has a responsibility to.maintain it. Every week. Even when it's wet and horrible and tough.

While on the rant nothing excuses Payne"s lack of physical effort whether in form or not. Unacceptable.

Others here have posted that Berry was among if not our best. Seriously. Again another who looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. If Answorth was dropped was apparently dropped for his crap kicking why isn't he.

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Berry went at 65% the same as McCluggage which is usually not considered good.
But there were 14 other Lions players that went at under 63%.
Coincidently Geelong also had 14 players under 63%.
Not really a night to take to task a players kicking efficiency.

 

[WhiteLionfever]

Berry went at 65% the same as McCluggage which is usually not considered good.
But there were 14 other Lions players that went at under 63%.
Coincidently Geelong also had 14 players under 63%.
Not really a night to take to task a players kicking efficiency.

Starting to sound like fagan unfortunately...we played ok and the stats prove it but we ended up getting beaten soundly.

we can also talk about our inefficiency and kicking bucket loads of behinds. And more excuses.

its pretty frustrating when geelong looked better coached and players better positioned than our own.

Imo need fresh ideas as its not working. As in need new coaching ideas

 

[WhiteLionfever]

The fact is we have regressed rapidly and our deficiencies are there for all to see.

i keep on thinking watching geelong and sydney play....where the hell do they get all these well drilled, athletic, built players from?! Why cant we be like that?

Little things count. Why the hell would dunkley and starc get a shaved head at the start of the year?! What so sweat goes into their eyes? Love neale but for goodness sake why get a series of tatts at the start of the year with infection risk? Yes football clubs dont own players but do we need to point that out? Small percentages matter

 

[DreadBat5701894]

Little things count. Why the hell would dunkley and starc get a shaved head at the start of the year?! What so sweat goes into their eyes? Love neale but for goodness sake why get a series of tatts at the start of the year with infection risk? Yes football clubs dont own players but do we need to point that out? Small percentages matter

Yes we totally lost because of haircuts and tattoos.

 

[martinson]

Starting to sound like fagan unfortunately...we played ok and the stats prove it but we ended up getting beaten soundly.

we can also talk about our inefficiency and kicking bucket loads of behinds. And more excuses.

its pretty frustrating when geelong looked better coached and players better positioned than our own.

Imo need fresh ideas as its not working. As in need new coaching ideas

I guess there's truth in that.

But when you're under the pump and your players aren't in prime form and there aren't too many other choices you can't just flick on a switch and implement new ideas and strategies and hope they might work.

We got ourselves primed for Melbourne ,had it in us to execute perfectly and naturally came out with the same fire for the first quarter last night but executed terribly and then had the letdown that was coming and just couldn't get it going again against a disciplined opposition.

It's too late now for fresh ideas this year. We will go with what we've got until we're competitive in the top 8 , or we fail and look at a new plan for 2025.

 

[WhiteLionfever]

Yes we totally lost because of haircuts and tattoos.

U dont get my point that it wasnt helpful at the start of an important year for a pro athlete to have everything as 100perc as you can make it and not risk anything in your prep.

 

[Gadzorks]

Lester had 12 for the entire game and 5 in the 2nd half
You know don’t let the stats get in the way of a good story…

I think stats on defenders need 1%ers - disposals are far from the only impact they have.

Lester seems to be the king of a clever nudge here, an arm out there, a block that slows the opposition even if he doesn't win the ball. Definitely has non disposal impact.

 

[kylegee28]

Imo need fresh ideas as its not working. As in need new coaching ideas

You know that we've just changed our Back and Forwardline coaches this year, and our Midfield/Stoppage coach last year?

Have you considered that these changes may be playing a part in why our game isn't quite clicking?

 

[Monkey Daniel]

I think stats on defenders need 1%ers - disposals are far from the only impact they have.

Lester seems to be the king of a clever nudge here, an arm out there, a block that slows the opposition even if he doesn't win the ball. Definitely has non disposal impact.

Which confirms my point, in relation to the post that I replied to, is that using stats alone, does not paint a complete picture

 

[Call Me Cake]

I mean we got McCluggage with pick three while Essendon struggle with McGrath

McGrath is literally having a career best season so far so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Yes we totally lost because of haircuts and tattoos.

The Pies would never win a game if shit haircuts and bad tattoo's were a major factor

 

[Section 5]

Starting to sound like fagan unfortunately...we played ok and the stats prove it but we ended up getting beaten soundly.

we can also talk about our inefficiency and kicking bucket loads of behinds. And more excuses.

its pretty frustrating when geelong looked better coached and players better positioned than our own.

Imo need fresh ideas as its not working. As in need new coaching ideas

I was just correcting you on Berry kicking efficiency especially in a game where the majority of players on the ground sucked at that particular stat because of the conditions.
But if i am starting to sound like Fagan than there are worse people to be compared to.

On a forum you can say "If Answorth was dropped was apparently dropped for his crap kicking why isn't he."
But a statement like that only has credibility if you can at least point to something to back up your assessment.

17 Lions players have played all the 6 games and Berry is ranked 8th at 72.34%.

 

[SRH17]

Ok but did they regularly do match sims in it?

Yes they do - it’s not like they head inside so as not to get wet.

 

[Happy_Neale]

The fact is we have regressed rapidly and our deficiencies are there for all to see.

i keep on thinking watching geelong and sydney play....where the hell do they get all these well drilled, athletic, built players from?! Why cant we be like that?

Little things count. Why the hell would dunkley and starc get a shaved head at the start of the year?! What so sweat goes into their eyes? Love neale but for goodness sake why get a series of tatts at the start of the year with infection risk? Yes football clubs dont own players but do we need to point that out? Small percentages matter

What in the world are you on about

 

[Monkey Daniel]

The free kick and then 50 metre which resulted in a goal to Geelong, Jezza Cameron was fined for tripping Hugh

 

[The Zork]

We can add a new question to our draft screening - do you plan on shaving your head over an off season?

 

[T Rick]

The free kick and then 50 metre which resulted in a goal to Geelong, Jezza Cameron was fined for tripping Hugh

Mind boggling miss by the umpires and nil media comment or exposure. It was actually a very dangerous trip that could have caused serious injury.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

does he like movies?

I guess there's truth in that.

But when you're under the pump and your players aren't in prime form and there aren't too many other choices you can't just flick on a switch and implement new ideas and strategies and hope they might work.

We got ourselves primed for Melbourne ,had it in us to execute perfectly and naturally came out with the same fire for the first quarter last night but executed terribly and then had the letdown that was coming and just couldn't get it going again against a disciplined opposition.

It's too late now for fresh ideas this year. We will go with what we've got until we're competitive in the top 8 , or we fail and look at a new plan for 2025.

Fagan did say at the start of the season , we have worked on getting more uncontested ball working through our system.
I think the Melbourne game was probably the best we've had in terms of those tactics.
Unfortunately in our other losses , and I might say they were in dry conditions, we over handballed .
Remember when Lochie commented after the Freo game, he didn't play as injured.
He said in frustration , some of those handballs , screwed his face up.
We have over adjusted it seems, and Saturday only made it look worse with the sodden weather.

It's probably why I've lost a bit of patience , it took too many years to make this change.
Cause the teritiory style football has rarely worked against top 4 teams , or not very well anyway and when it came to playing teams that played with possession style footy we got shown up.

But got to still hope the realization has sunk in .
For this plan to work we have to be prepared to run then run some more and more.
Overlapping runs, run into space , create space.
If we don't we end up handballing ourselves into trouble. Handballing just for the sake of it.

So again it seems like work in progress, so hopefully we keep working on this tactic.

Having said that.
This game on Saturday night was never a game where you want to over handball, so frustrating , if ever there was a time to go back to territory style footy it was this night.
And we we did try and kick it forward, straight to them.
you have to have players set up for the dump kick or kick to spaces that are predictable for our players.
You can't just kick it as far as you can, there has to be some purpose .
Anyways.
I actually think Fages is on the right track when it comes to dry weather footy , he just had a mare with preperation for Saturday and the weather and lacks ability to change tactics.
I think the last part is on the coaching staff and Fages , more so than the players as it came down to our set up as has been said by others here.

 

[Section 5]

The free kick and then 50 metre which resulted in a goal to Geelong, Jezza Cameron was fined for tripping Hugh

A bit more on the incident.
When i saw it i only noticed the Cameron tackle slipped down around McCluggage legs. That is not mentioned in the article.
That was not paid either. I also missed the chin hit because of the angle.
Then of course Cameron was awarded a 50-meter penalty just to rub it in.

So, three free kicks missed in the one incident then a 50-meter penalty against a frustrated player.
At least now Cameron cops a fine.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-forward-jeremy-cameron-got-away-with-staggering-act/news-story/57b51e31e9814cdb90191d6139393edc