Preview 2024 Rd 9 Carlton vs Melbourne Thursday 9th May 7:30PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …


IN: Ollie Hollands, Brodie Kemp, Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Mitch McGovern

11

Mitch Mcgovern

Age

29

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

OUT: Zac Williams (glute soreness), David Cuningham

28

David Cuningham

Age

27

Ht

183cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.5

3star

D

12.1

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.1

3star

G

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

5.6

5star

G

0.4

3star

, Orazio Fantasia

14

Orazio Fantasia

Age

28

Ht

180cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.1

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

9.8

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

2star

G

0.2

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.0

1star

, Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

AFL team selection: Blues recall four

Carlton's Round 9 team is in.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Round 9 team v Melbourne
Backs:	Brodie Kemp	Jacob Weitering	Lachie Cowan
Half-backs:	Alex Cincotta	Mitch McGovern	Nic Newman
Centreline:	Ollie Hollands	Patrick Cripps	Blake Acres
Half-forwards:	Jack Martin	Harry McKay	Elijah Hollands
Forwards:	Matthew Owies	Charlie Curnow	Tom De Koning
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Sam Walsh	Matthew Kennedy
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Adam Cerra	Matthew Cottrell
	Corey Durdin	George Hewett
Emergencies:	David Cuningham	Orazio Fantasia	Lewis Young

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Dees don’t score much but they don’t let you score much as well.

Contested game suits both sides.

Gawn the key.


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The key will be not bombing it long to May and Lever playing right into their hands. Charlie needs to get on the lead like Harry has been doing. It’s probably a weakness in his game but it will make us better if he presents at the ball more often instead of hoping for that one over the back which he is so good at.

 

[JustaBattler]

The key will be not bombing it long to May and Lever playing right into their hands. Charlie needs to get on the lead like Harry has been doing. It’s probably a weakness in his game but it will make us better if he presents at the ball more often instead of hoping for that one over the back which he is so good at.

Both May and Lever are susepct for a long kick right to teh goal mouth - both are excellent when given time and pace to intercept a mark 20+ meters out.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Both May and Lever are susepct for a long kick right to teh goal mouth - both are excellent when given time and pace to intercept a mark 20+ meters out.

There will be times when the forward 50 is open and that will be the best move but it shouldn’t be our go to entry 90% of the time like it has been.

This requires our smalls to work much harder. It’s obviously not just on Charlie.

 

[Kruezing]

With Kemp obviously coming back in for young why don’t we try either he or Gov forward as a third option to throw the defence off

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

With Kemp obviously coming back in for young why don’t we try either he or Gov forward as a third option to throw the defence off

Probably doesn’t work with Pitto and TDK in the side. We are already slow as it is.

 

[carlton_99]

With Kemp obviously coming back in for young why don’t we try either he or Gov forward as a third option to throw the defence off

Melbourne play 3 tall forwards + Fritsch so will need them back

 

[BigFrizz36]

With Kemp obviously coming back in for young why don’t we try either he or Gov forward as a third option to throw the defence off

Because if Kemp was to come back in for Young (no certainty for mine, I think that Voss will pick Marchbank if available) then it would be as the 2nd tall defender to play on whichever of Van Rooyen or Petty that Weitering didn't?

 

[JustOneTime]

Because if Kemp was to come back in for Young (no certainty for mine, I think that Voss will pick Marchbank if available) then it would be as the 2nd tall defender to play on whichever of Van Rooyen or Petty that Weitering didn't?

Think Kemp needs to stand up for himself to the MC. Playing a second tall defender will see him ripped apart and then cause the associated loss of confidence.

Kemp is best placed as 4th tall defender like a Cowan. Someone who would take a player like Jack Martin as a type of matchup. Anything other than that will see him destroyed along with his confidence.

IMO only.

 

[Y Goat]

One of the big points is our midfield does not have a pressure orientated game, which Collingwood switched to to get ontop of us in the inside. We just hunt ball and if that fails we lose.

Yes this. And Hewett ‘could’ (IMO should) have been dedicated to pressure/tag NDaicos

 

[Kruezing]

Because if Kemp was to come back in for Young (no certainty for mine, I think that Voss will pick Marchbank if available) then it would be as the 2nd tall defender to play on whichever of Van Rooyen or Petty that Weitering didn't?

So do we keep bombing it to Charlie and H knowing the smalls will do sfa or do we look to change things up a bit. Imo Kemp is ahead of about 5 underperforming players in the 22 right now and he’s not slow and provides versatility. I think Martin if he’s ever available provides the third option as well. Melbourne have thrown Peddy forward in recent times with success, because he takes an opponent and opens things up more for Fritsch and Pickett to find space

 

[JustOneTime]

T.D.K. has kicked three, missed three and kicked two in the last three games and generated 10 shots at goal in the last 3 games. so has been a qualified success when up forward. That's probably as good as we can hope for from a third tall albeit that he's not a great set shot (as in waves the ball around a lot on the way in).

I'm not sure you can look at his goals only when debating his spot in the team in a 2 ruck setup. We are leaking a huge amount of turnover goals. I doubt TDK is a strength in helping offset this style of play.

It's clear that we can win games with two ruckman and can win with only one ruck and mckay. So that leaves greyscale in our analysis because we cant see in some games how much TDK/Pitto cost us in the turnover game. Cant just analyse going fwd and goals, and then say it works. TDK lining up with dodgy kicking style and scoring points when we need a goal is an important cost to the side as the team with strong turnover games have an easy set shot right in front by typically a small skillful player.

When we played one ruck and Mckay, our turnover game improved and we lessened the impact of our opponents turnover game. What was clear during the early one ruck games was our midfield was down but this is an isolation fix of playing Pitto instead of TDK or just the midfielders working harder (that and getting Walsh back).

The eye test tell me we are a good side regardless of this choice....but the sheer instinct fear of when the ball hits the deck in our inside 50 and the rebound starts...that fear is much higher in the 2 ruck setup games. I'm not wedded to this position, i just feel it slightly. Pitto has been incredible then completely neutered. TDK has done better than expected. I'm not losing massive sleep over their choices as we are in every game regardless of the ruck setup. I just have the sneaking suspicion we are a better unit with one ruck and Mckay.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I'm not sure you can look at his goals only when debating his spot in the team in a 2 ruck setup. We are leaking a huge amount of turnover goals. I doubt TDK is a strength in helping offset this style of play.

It's clear that we can win games with two ruckman and can win with only one ruck and mckay. So that leaves greyscale in our analysis because we cant see in some games how much TDK/Pitto cost us in the turnover game. Cant just analyse going fwd and goals, and then say it works. TDK lining up with dodgy kicking style and scoring points when we need a goal is an important cost to the side as the team with strong turnover games have an easy set shot right in front by typically a small skillful player.

When we played one ruck and Mckay, our turnover game improved and we lessened the impact of our opponents turnover game. What was clear during the early one ruck games was our midfield was down but this is an isolation fix of playing Pitto instead of TDK or just the midfielders working harder (that and getting Walsh back).

The eye test tell me we are a good side regardless of this choice....but the sheer instinct fear of when the ball hits the deck in our inside 50 and the rebound starts...that fear is much higher in the 2 ruck setup games. I'm not wedded to this position, i just feel it slightly. Pitto has been incredible then completely neutered. TDK has done better than expected. I'm not losing massive sleep over their choices as we are in every game regardless of the ruck setup. I just have the sneaking suspicion we are a better unit with one ruck and Mckay.

I imagine that, like me, the match committee believe that the risk of Harry getting hurt whilst rucking isn't worth the potential gain. That's just my guess though.

 

[Skull Face]

With the way we have been playing this last month this game is tailor made for us to dump it long to lever and may and get hurt by their rebound game coming back at us.

With the swans at the SCG next week this is a must win game, if we are sitting here in a couple of weeks time and havent found a way to get to 6-4 at worst you can probably kiss goodbye our top 4 chances.

 

[DangerousD]

As for shifting a few players to different positions, no, just no. Some don't have the tank to play between the arcs, certainly not on a wing, and it should benefit the side as a whole, rather than the individual

Which examples are you referring to Arrow?

Im seeing Williams as liability down back and that clubs are trying to isolate him, if the MC insist on picking him, id like to see him trialled up forward, i say this partly because i think our small forwards have been very bad and a whole host of players would do a better job than what’s been produced.

Could Cottrell play as a forward in place of Fantasia and bring Ollie back?

Once we start to get players back, these wouldn’t be needed, but i still worry about Williams role

 

[Mentallo]

Hearing Blacres will be a test to play. Pulled up with some soreness.

Prolly why Ollie was a holdover in the magoo's on Sundy.

 

[GoBlues!]

Colingwood were given the game against Carlton on. a plate in three 'moments' none of which had ANYTHING to do with leg speed it all happened in the last 3 minutes and none of the decisive moments had anything to do with 'leg speed' missing from Carlton

1. No one understanding that Sidebottom couldn't make a 55 meter kick and therefore was likely to look for a pass off - and no one covering Pendelbury that really speedy fast super swift pendelbury bloke who was allowed to wander into vacant space a big wide open lovely picnic ground and receive a dinky little kick from his mate who cant kick it 50 meters for goal let alone 55 - Sidebottom - that was BRAIN FART #1 - absolutely NOTHING to do with leg speed - and everything to do with footy nouse.

2. BRAINF FART #2 was Harry McKay under minimal pressure CHOOSING to kick to top of arc instead of to a ONE ON ONE Charlie in the goals square - even a halved contest would; have seen Carlton own the territory for the least two minutes and game over - even a clean win from Collingwood there would have seen them have to make up an extra 50 meters giving Carlton more time to set up behind the ball - instead Harry decides to play to Cllingwood's advantage - and give them a chance to WIN the game

3. BRAIN FART#3 Daicos was allowed to run around a ball up into open space by Walsh and Daicos converts - schoolboy stuff as others have pointed out and was obvious on replay...again lack of mouse.

SO Collingwood's superior leg speed added up to a one goal win at the death - but Carlton was in the lead until the defensive collective (a) didn't understand that old man Sidebottom was going to look for a pass and (b) allowed old man slow as a. snail Pendelbury to take an uncontested mark from a dinky 20 meter kick...

so much for your Collingwood win via speed analysis.

I think you can add a fourth key moment that Colingwood were given an advantage against Carlton which happened before the game even started - naming Kennedy as sub.

 

[DEliades]

I think we’re in big trouble based on recent form. I hope I’m wrong

 

[JustOneTime]

I imagine that, like me, the match committee believe that the risk of Harry getting hurt whilst rucking isn't worth the potential gain. That's just my guess though.

That is a pretty good thought. Did you like him when he was in the ruck and around the ground. I thought he did slightly better than TDK on those games in terms of effectiveness.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I think we’re in big trouble based on recent form. I hope I’m wrong

Does recent form include the two times that we have beaten them within the last 15 games? Or that Brisbane beat Melbourne three weeks ago not long after we had beaten them? Or are we just going on last week?

 

[GoBlues!]

With Kemp obviously coming back in for young why don’t we try either he or Gov forward as a third option to throw the defence off

We need to shore up our defence - prefer Gov and Kemp in to support Weiters, Newman, Boyd and Cincotta - that becomes a formidable back 6 to help limit Demons score.

Cripps, Walsh, a refreshed Kennedy, and Cerra to get on top in centre clearances.

Martin, Elijah, Cuningham and Charlie across the HF line with Harry and TDK deep forwards to stretch their defence.

 

[DEliades]

Does recent form include the two times that we have beaten them within the last 15 games? Or that Brisbane beat Melbourne three weeks ago not long after we had beaten them? Or are we just going on last week?

We were ordinary against Adelaide and last week was a disgrace after quarter time. We would need to improve our F50 entries quite significantly to win here and I don’t think that’ll happen over a six day break

 

[BigFrizz36]

That is a pretty good thought. Did you like him when he was in the ruck and around the ground. I thought he did slightly better than TDK on those games in terms of effectiveness.

I thought that it was generally successful. Nankervis probably got the best of both, North doesn't count for much. We didn't get much drive against Freo and got lucky at the end. The Lions was just a bizarre game of polar opposites. I think that TDK struggles against the man mountain type rucks and when he mis-times his leap and misses altogether it allows teams the most open out the front clearances.

I would be worried about Harry rucking against the Sean Darcy types who's hurt more specialist ruckmen than him. He's playing that well that it would be a major major blow to lose him long term.

Just on a general note I can almost guarantee that if Cripps, Walsh, Weitering, McKay and Curnow are all playing we will be in every game till the finish. No matter how bad things are looking their pride and will to win will ensure that we don't chuck it in - point of case late in the Geelong game. The more of the supporting cast that we get back the better we'll be.

 

[BigFrizz36]

We were ordinary against Adelaide and last week was a disgrace after quarter time. We would need to improve our F50 entries quite significantly to win here and I don’t think that’ll happen over a six day break

They have a 5 day break. Recent history has shown that there is nothing between our two teams.

 

[Kernafides]

The normal scapegoats williams, young, can't play 2 rucks etc....how about we stop continually bombing it predictably into our forward line, how about charlie gets on his bike and uses his alleged tank, why don't we hit up short targets, why is our forward line always so crowded, how can our pressure be so good and then had periods when it's sub 150...we are on the cusp of being good or being also rans if we don't sort this stuff out quickly.

 

[Arr0w]

Which examples are you referring to Arrow?

Im seeing Williams as liability down back and that clubs are trying to isolate him, if the MC insist on picking him, id like to see him trialled up forward, i say this partly because i think our small forwards have been very bad and a whole host of players would do a better job than what’s been produced.

Could Cottrell play as a forward in place of Fantasia and bring Ollie back?

Once we start to get players back, these wouldn’t be needed, but i still worry about Williams role

Williams is more settled when he has better players around him, like the rest of our backmen. Continuity is the most important ingredient, especially down back

HF could suit him, has played there for moments throughout his career, but not on a wing, he does not have the tank. The concern would be that turning/twisting motion

I'd back him for now especially with better players returning into the backline

Cottrell is/has played HHF, then defensive cover for our wingmen