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Review Round 17, 2024 - Brisbane Lions vs. Adelaide

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Who were your five best players against Adelaide?


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On the wing is not CBA so cancel the OPSM appointment.
The wing attendance thread will give you all the wing numbers when it gets posted.

The CBA'S got thrown out a bit with Starch going down and Fletcher moving from wing to HB.
Berry getting less mid time with Ashcroft's return the week before. Nothing this week because of injury to Starch.
Interestingly Bailey's CBA's increased to 39% (12) on Sunday but had no center or stoppage clearances.
Ashcroft (23% & 19%) spending time wing/forward & some midfield time. I assume the club is easing him back into AFL.
Ashcroft's average CBA's in 2023 was 44%.

Below from https://dfsaustralia.com/afl-cbas/?team=BRL&season=2024

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I really don't think I like Bailey getting that much time inside. I know he is returning from injury but personally don't rate his inside game. Thinks he's Rayner or Dangerfield in how he tries to bust tackles so often. Think I'd rather see several others get that sort of mid time and think they'd be more effective
 
Top 2 self explanatory. The rest are interesting

Brisbane v Adelaide
10 Lachie Neale (BL)
8 Josh Dunkley (BL)
5 Ben Keays (ADEL)
3 Darcy Wilmot (BL)
2 Mark Keane (ADEL)
2 Oscar McInerney (BL)
Wonder about the votes for Keane. Not exactly who i would have thought of for their bests
 
I really don't think I like Bailey getting that much time inside. I know he is returning from injury but personally don't rate his inside game. Thinks he's Rayner or Dangerfield in how he tries to bust tackles so often. Think I'd rather see several others get that sort of mid time and think they'd be more effective
100% would much rather Jarrod Berry spend more time inside than Bailey, Bailey's best position is primarily as a dangerous small forward.

Best inside/balanced mid rotation by finals should be Neale, Dunkley, Berry, Ashcroft, McCluggage with short stints from Rayner and Bailey or even Fletcher.
 

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I’m still struggling to understand how and why Mike Whiting thinks Starcevich ran into Rankine [emoji52]

Pretty evident that turd Rankine launches into an unsuspecting Starc who is not bracing for anything and Rankine just wants to hurt him by splitting him down the middle. Hope Whiting admits he was wrong in the Roar Deal


Weird from Mike Whiting, especially as he is an unabashed Starcevic fan.

Be interesting to hear whether he doubles down on TRD or retracts his comments [emoji848]

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Interesting that Dew was in the coaching box during the game. The first time I think.

Loved your comment on Oscar. Really lifted after quarter time and dominated for the rest of the game.

Really, REALLY hope we keep Dew on next year in a formal assistant role. Fantastic footy mind, would be an invaluable asset to the club.
 
I don't know how a bloke who's up for the 4th time for deliberately tripping , and from behind in a race for the ball if you don't mind , gets off with a fine.

Acl, broken leg ,anything can happen with that kind of trip . The AFL is currently obsessed with concussion, rightfully so , but they've given this guy carte blanche to go on doing it until something serious happens. Which it already has over the years and will again.
 
I’m still struggling to understand how and why Mike Whiting thinks Starcevich ran into Rankine 😐

Pretty evident that turd Rankine launches into an unsuspecting Starc who is not bracing for anything and Rankine just wants to hurt him by splitting him down the middle. Hope Whiting admits he was wrong in the Roar Deal


Starcevich was looking over his shoulder at the stoppage, Rankine knew he could catch him unaware so went the off the ball bump, it went wrong so he must wear the consequences, that is how the rule is written, 4 weeks is about right.
 
Starcevich was looking over his shoulder at the stoppage, Rankine knew he could catch him unaware so went the off the ball bump, it went wrong so he must wear the consequences, that is how the rule is written, 4 weeks is about right.

It's difficult to see how Adelaide can even argue this down to a lesser penalty.

The act itself is virtually indefensible and the outcome was awful.

Cop your fair whack Rankine
 
Who do we look at for Starce? No real lockdown small defender option. Wonder if Brain can lock down.
Thought Rankine was reasonably well held. For really his first go playing the role, with limited or no preparation, Wilmot did a great job.

On that basis I'd be happy to bring in the next best performing small/medium defender from the VFL team and shuffle the roles as need be.
 
Even more disappointing that none of the talking heads have even mentioned it. I mean sure there is two high profile incidents this round but tripping such as this is still worthy of being on the agenda.
Was covered on 360 by both Mark Robinson and Gerard Whateley

Pretty sure David King mentioned last night as well
 
Solid win but should have been by 5 goals. However, the Crows did give it everything and kicked for goal well.
Dunks, Lachie and Berry were outstanding. Others flashed in and out of the game.
Yes expected score agrees with you. They shot the lights out and we regressed to our standard early season form in front of goal:



Ultimately it's the most convincing 11 point win you're ever likely to see. Kicked the first 3 goals of the game and literally held them at arm's length for the remainder, never conceding more than 2 consecutive goals. They closed to within 7 during the 1st, 8 points during the 2nd and 3rd, while 11 was as close as they got in the last.

Yes, a better red time and last quarter performance would have been nice, but good to get another win with still so much potential upside. Thought we also ran the clock well at the end when things got a bit too close for comfort.

Transition defence remains a concern, but we did defend our back 50 far better than in recent weeks. Adelaide managed only 20 shots from 48 entries - that 42% is our best effort since we beat Gold Coast. So maybe this is the first step in improving our overall team defence. Better tackling in our front half would not go astray.

I think strategically we were well set up behind the ball, however conceding 15 contested marks while only taking 6 of our own limits the effectiveness of any strategy. Thought our talls were pretty well beaten at both ends which was disappointing. Payne was probably our best overall.

Just started watching the replay and noticing at a lot of aerial contests, a lot of numbers from both sides around the ball but ours were often pretty bunched up whereas Adelaide had a better spread 360⁰ around the fall of the ball. Thus they often came away with the ball when it looked like we should have won it.

Hopefully we can find ways to become more clinical in our front 60 or 70. Lots of fumbling, bombing to packs or way too adventurous long shots at goal. At least we're getting those shots now where we were struggling early in the season.

But I have a bit of a theory as to why we've perhaps fluffed our lines a few too many times in front of goal the last couple of weeks. I wonder if our crowd noise is sometimes so overwhelming that our players get a bit overexcited and ahead of themselves, and it prevents them selecting the best option and executing accordingly. Takes me back to the 2019 Semi Final, which was so amazingly loud in our favour but I'm still not sure that was to our advantage! Similarly, whenever I go to Broncos games and the ground announcer starts a chant whenever we get inside the opposition 20, we invariably drop the ball 🤦

Yes, our Gabba only holds 30-odd thousand, but as Chris Scott has said, it's one of the loudest venues in the country when it's rocking and I wonder if that sometimes adversely affects our players. NFL teams of course make a point of asking their fans to be quiet when they have the ball - it's a stark contrast to here.

Compare that to the way our inside 50 conversion has been outstanding in our last two away games, against the Bulldogs and Port, where we had much less crowd support. Hopefully we get enough opportunities in Perth on Sunday to see if that trend continues or not.
 
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Found Rayner's best position - forward half loose cannon.

Starces concussion saves discussion about McKenna - can't replace both back flankers.

Kudos to the crows. Benny Keays has made himself into a good footballer. Again, kudos.

F**k, we have some selfish players up forward. Logan Morris's attitude stands out,

Loved, after a quiet start, how Washcroft took control in the 3rd when we needed him.
Looking forward to seeing "forward half loose cannon" appear on coaches' magnet boards all over Australia. 3KZ is Football your thoughts?
 

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Dunkley, Neale, and Harris were outstanding. I thought we were second best for large patches and their kicking for goal was infinitely better than ours. But an ugly win is a win - you get four points just the same.
I thought Harris was beaten by Himmelberg or whoever that blonde chap playing on him was. Outmarked too often I thought.
 
I agree Grasshopper17 - Rayner is a better third tall option than Gardiner was and given that he really can only play small cameos in the midfield, forward line is best. If Cam can kick a couple every week that will help.
 
Yes expected score agrees with you. They shot the lights out and we regressed to our standard early season form in front of goal:



Ultimately it's the most convincing 11 point win you're ever likely to see. Kicked the first 3 goals of the game and literally held them at arm's length for the remainder, never conceding more than 2 consecutive goals. They closed to within 7 during the 1st, 8 points during the 2nd and 3rd, while 11 was as close as they got in the last.

Yes, a better red time and last quarter performance would have been nice, but still good to get another win with still so much potential upside. Thought we also ran the clock well at the end when things got a bit too close for comfort.

Transition defence remains a concern, but we did defend our back 50 far better than in recent weeks. Adelaide managed only 20 shots from 48 entries - that 42% is our best effort since we beat Gold Coast. So maybe this is the first step in improving our overall team defence. Better tackling in our front half would not go astray.

I think strategically we were well set up behind the ball, however conceding 15 contested marks while only taking 6 of our own limits the effectiveness of any strategy. Thought our talls were pretty well beaten at both ends which was disappointing. Payne was probably our best overall.

Just started watching the replay and noticing at a lot of aerial contests, a lot of numbers from both sides around the ball but ours were often pretty bunched up whereas Adelaide had a better spread 360⁰ around the fall of the ball. Thus they often came away with the ball when it looked like we should have won it.

Hopefully we can find ways to become more clinical in our front 60 or 70. Lots of fumbling, bombing to packs or way too adventurous long shots at goal. At least we're getting those shots now where we were struggling early in the season.

But I have a bit of a theory as to why we've perhaps fluffed our lines a few too many times in front of goal the last couple of weeks. I wonder if our crowd noise is sometimes so overwhelming that our players get a bit overexcited and ahead of themselves, and it prevents them selecting the best option and executing accordingly. Takes me back to the 2019 Semi Final, which was so amazingly loud in our favour but I'm still not sure that was to our advantage! Similarly, whenever I go to Broncos games and the ground announcer starts a chant whenever we get inside the opposition 20, we invariably drop the ball 🤦

Yes, our Gabba only holds 30-odd thousand, but as Chris Scott has said, it's one of the loudest venues in the country when it's rocking and I wonder if that sometimes adversely affects our players. NFL teams of course make a point of asking their fans to be quiet when they have the ball - it's a stark contrast to here.

Compare that to the way our inside 50 conversion has been amazing in our last two away games, against the Bulldogs and Port, where we had much less crowd support. Hopefully we get enough opportunities in Perth on Sunday to see if that trend continues or not.


Were the biggest points gained kicks for the crows every single one of keays goals that had me questioning reality?
 
Were the biggest points gained kicks for the crows every single one of keays goals that had me questioning reality?
Unfortunately this Twitter account no longer auto-posts expected scores for every single shot at goal. Elon Musk you star 🙄

This is the breakdown from Andrew Whelan between set shots and general play:
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So it clearly shows Adelaide shot the lights out. +1.21 points per set shot is basically off the scale.
 
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Weird from Mike Whiting, especially as he is an unabashed Starcevic fan.

Be interesting to hear whether he doubles down on TRD or retracts his comments [emoji848]

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starcevich was running towards rankine while looking at the play......he wasn't aware. rankine could have held his ground and bumped starcevich but instead he charged at him getting the chest and head. it's def a 2 or 3 match ban but made worse by starcevich running blind towards rankine. not excusing rankine, that was a crap act but starce didn't protect himself because he was unaware. hope starce is feeling ok tho.
 

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starcevich was running towards rankine while looking at the play......he wasn't aware. rankine could have held his ground and bumped starcevich but instead he charged at him getting the chest and head. it's def a 2 or 3 match ban but made worse by starcevich running blind towards rankine. not excusing rankine, that was a crap act but starce didn't protect himself because he was unaware. hope starce is feeling ok tho.
What made it worse was Rankine, instead of getting out of the way or bracing for contact. He instead choose to jump into Starc.

You see this all the time, players are looking to hurt players if given an opportunity.

Sometimes it comes off. Other times you FAAFO.
 
Absolutely pathetic by Crows to challenge Rankines dog act, basically condoning his weak act. Accept the suspension and learn but oh no, they’ll throw up excuses about his life and blame Starcevich. Weak all round.


It’s a product of an insanely inconsistent MRO/tribunal, the crows probably legitimately think they have a chance of getting him off or at the very least getting the weeks reduced
 
I agree Grasshopper17 - Rayner is a better third tall option than Gardiner was and given that he really can only play small cameos in the midfield, forward line is best. If Cam can kick a couple every week that will help.

If Rayner is parked near the goal square he should be good for a couple of goals per game. Loves a pack mark.
 

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