List Mgmt. 2024 List Management 📃

[Soapy V]

There are 40 senior list spots. If those guys are players 37-40, not a chance in hell I’m complaining

I hope that’s not our attitude and why would we lock in players ranked 37-40 for multi years?

 

[Accidental genius]

I hope that’s not our attitude

Our 37-40th players getting regular players

 

[sweethoney]

As I have said it’s the draft for me. We need an injection of top end junior talent

BUT we also need to add some quality depth that won’t cost much. Names I’d look at

Nick Haynes - 32. FA (mature defender)
Garcia - 23. Cheap trade (zippy midfielder who can find it)
Caleb Daniel - 28. Cheap trade (small defender with good ball use)
Cooper Hamilton - 20. cheap trade (young elite running wingman/hb from GWS)

I’d have Cooper just so he can work with our social media team.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Trade out
Jack Martin

19

Jack Martin

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

- 4th rounder
Matt Owies - 3rd rounder
Jesse Motlop - 2nd rounder
George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

/ Matt Kennedy - 2nd rounder
Jack Carroll - 3rd rounder

Delist
Marchbank
Cuningham
M.Carroll
Akuei
S.Durdin


Bundle up all the picks and get the following:

Draft
Toby Travaglia - Pick 12-16
Joe Berry - Pick 10-15
Harry O'Farrell - Pick 20-30
Ben Camporeale - Match bid
Lucas Camporeale - Match bid


Trade in
Malcolm Rosas - Late 2nd/3rd?
Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

34

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

/JMcGov Late 2nd/3rd?
James Borlase - DFA
Isaac Cumming

44

Isaac Cumming

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.2

4star

- RFA

Bring in Duffy from Ireland

B22 2025

Travaglia Weitering Saad
Mcgovern May Cumming
Acres Cripps Walsh
Berry Mckay E.Hollands
Williams Curnow Rosas
Dekoning Cerra Cowan

Silvagni Newman Wilson Kennedy


IDFK anymore just please some pace and kicking skills and some good kids and a 2nd KPD please christ

 

[TrueQldBlue]

Austin needs to be very active this off season but his hands could be tied salary cap wise. I'm no list manager but surely JMart, Cunners and Marchbank should be delisted. Trade Pitto, get Nick Haynes

26

Nick Haynes

Age

33

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

to support Weiters, and trade one of Kennedy or Hewett for talented young burst mids struggling for games in top 8 sides (I don't know who).

Hang on, you want to get a 32 year old....and how long will he help us....?

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[bradfisher14]

Trade out
Jack Martin - 4th rounder
Matt Owies - 3rd rounder
Jesse Motlop - 2nd rounder
George Hewett / Matt Kennedy - 2nd rounder
Jack Carroll - 3rd rounder

Delist
Marchbank
Cuningham
M.Carroll
Akuei
S.Durdin


Bundle up all the picks and get the following:

Draft
Toby Travaglia - 2024 first
Joe Berry - 2025 first
Harry O'Farrell - 2024 2nd Rd
Ben Camporeale - Match bid
Lucas Camporeale - Match bid


Trade in
Malcolm Rosas - Late 2nd/3rd?
Steven May/JMcGov Late 2nd/3rd?
James Borlase - DFA
Isaac Cumming - RFA

Bring in Duffy from Ireland

B22 2025

Travaglia Weitering Saad
Mcgovern May Cumming
Acres Cripps Walsh
Berry Mckay E.Hollands
Williams Curnow Rosas
Dekoning Cerra Cowan

Silvagni Newman Wilson Kennedy


IDFK anymore just please some pace and kicking skills and some good kids and a 2nd KPD please christ

Add Pittonet to the trade out column and I'm in.

 

[blueblooded]

He's far & away our most valuable trade chip.
I don't believe he'll be moved on but a significant return would go some way to addressing the holes in the side.

TDK going out of the side injured is one of the main reasons the team lost all momentum. His rise coincided with our rise to 2nd, his injury has coincided with our fall out of the 8. His bounce around the ground and around the midfield especially when the ball is on the ground somewhat made up for our midfields lack of leg speed. Don’t ask me how that’s possible but to my eye since he’s been out of the midfield we’ve had no drive and look like a tortoise.

I’d go as far as to say I’d rather trade Walsh than trade TDK. Guys like him don’t grow on trees.

Madness to suggest trading him. We have to do everything we can to lock him away long term.

Pitto must be traded for whatever we can get our hands on and we need to lock TDK away to a long term deal.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Add Pittonet to the trade out column and I'm in.

Maybe next year. Can't go into a year with TDK HOK and Mirkov as our our ruck options. Pitto is valuable even if he's a lazy french croissant

 

[JJBagger]

I hope that’s not our attitude and why would we lock in players ranked 37-40 for multi years?

I’m saying that’s worst case scenario. At their best, they are much higher than that. Young got a multi year deal after being one of our best players during a patch where Weiters was injured. The Pitto signing looked incredible when he came in mid year and looked like Dean Cox early in the year. Cottrell was one of our most important players during our run at the end of last year, and Durds is a more long term project, due to his injuries this year. But clearly Voss likes him

 

[TrueQldBlue]

Add Pittonet to the trade out column and I'm in.

I'd keep George

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[HereComesJuddy]

Maybe next year. Can't go into a year with TDK HOK and Mirkov as our our ruck options. Pitto is valuable even if he's a lazy french croissant

Nah **** it, let’s trade Pitto while he still has currency.

Let’s just cross fingers HOK and Mirkov improve. Some luck had to go our way surely

 

[bradfisher14]

Maybe next year. Can't go into a year with TDK HOK and Mirkov as our our ruck options. Pitto is valuable even if he's a lazy french croissant

I would be dropping Pitto for Mirkov this week. Another preseason into HOK/Mirk and they will go past Pitto.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

And I don't care what anyone says Motlop and Owies can gagf. Slowest small forwards in the comp who fumble every 2nd possession. Make crap decisions with ball in hand and really all they do is kick goals and thats it. Pressure is garbage, provide 0 in the air, terrible kicks inside 50... I'd honestly rather Durdin than either of them if he was ever fit.

 

[bradfisher14]

I'd keep George

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We need to trade one of Cerra/Hewett/Kennedy. Honestly I don't care who it is at this stage.

 

[Soapy V]

I’m saying that’s worst case scenario. At their best, they are much higher than that. Young got a multi year deal after being one of our best players during a patch where Weiters was injured. The Pitto signing looked incredible when he came in mid year and looked like Dean Cox early in the year. Cottrell was one of our most important players during our run at the end of last year, and Durds is a more long term project, due to his injuries this year. But clearly Voss likes him

Doesn’t make sense to me

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I would be dropping Pitto for Mirkov this week. Another preseason into HOK/Mirk and they will go past Pitto.

Maybe so but they are entirely untested atm. Pitto might be annoying the hell out of us but we atleast know he can hold down the fort when needed. Even if it's as ugly as all sin while he's doing so.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We need to trade one of Cerra/Hewett/Kennedy. Honestly I don't care who it is at this stage.

Yep. Whichever will provide the most value and open the door for someone else in that mix. I want to see Cowan and Kemp training on ball this off season.

 

[bradfisher14]

Maybe so but they are entirely untested atm. Pitto might be annoying the hell out of us but we atleast know he can hold down the fort when needed. Even if it's as ugly as all sin while he's doing so.

I guess my perspective is that while they are untested, at least they haven't failed the test of being an AFL footballer miserably the way that Pittonet has. Maybe they'll be good? As long as we hold onto Pitto, we will never find out.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I actually think we’ve gotten ourselves in abit of a tough spot and are somewhat stuck. The types we need are hard to find.
For me I’d be wanting to have 8 or so changes. I can’t see Owies and Motlop working in the same side so make our choice and let one walk.
Hopefully we would get a pick inside the Campo bid so take 3 picks to the draft plus two Campo boys.
Just take best available tall defenders or players with really good speed. Outside of that their really is no point, on trade the picks for future picks on draft night if there aren’t those types available/worthwhile at the pick.
Chase a Tom McDonald

25

Tom Mcdonald

Age

33

Ht

195cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

261.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.6

1star

MG

135.6

2star

D

13.8

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

type defender.
Then chase a couple of Richard’s/Garcia/Stone/Konstanty types because although it’s probably unlikely to come off it would transform the side if it did.

I honestly can’t see a big name who is the type we need coming available without huge risk. I also couldn’t imagine being able to trade our future first into this seasons draft but would do that in a heartbeat

 

[btdg]

You trade him for two firsts this year and use one to get a B+ ruckman from another club. You don't spend $1m on a ruck.

WE don't even need a B+ ruckman. Take the 2 firsts and run, then find whichever ruck is on the discount rack this year and buy cheaply.

We desperately need some young talent after gutting our draft hand for the last 5 drafts trading to find thr 'missing piece'.

If there's a way we get to two first rounders in ahead on Ben Camporeale this year, and two first rounders next year, while only giving up a 25 year old ruck who has one good season so far under his belt... i think we have no choice but to take it.

The only other path i see to genuine improvement is to trade one of the two big forwards for ideally a pick or two, some depth and a younger replacement. Essendon have too many talls by far and might give up depth to add big Harry... Melbourne also desperate.

It would hurt to lose Harry but I genuinely can't see how else we improve our list enough to escape the 6th-10th quagmire we are in now...

 

[The Bighouse]

I would love Austin & Lloyd to explain why we gave Pittonet Young Cottrell Durdin multi year contract extensions long before their seasons were up

These type of deals for fringe players can really restrict list decisions and improvements

It does hold the club in the position to trade the players vs OOC.
Problem is they’re showing little on the park to warrant any trade/s to benefit CFC.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

WE don't even need a B+ ruckman. Take the 2 firsts and run, then find whichever ruck is on the discount rack this year and buy cheaply.

We desperately need some young talent after gutting our draft hand for the last 5 drafts trading to find thr 'missing piece'.

If there's a way we get to two first rounders in ahead on Ben Camporeale this year, and two first rounders next year, while only giving up a 25 year old ruck who has one good season so far under his belt... i think we have no choice but to take it.

The only other path i see to genuine improvement is to trade one of the two big forwards for ideally a pick or two, some depth and a younger replacement. Essendon have too many talls by far and might give up depth to add big Harry... Melbourne also desperate.

It would hurt to lose Harry but I genuinely can't see how else we improve our list enough to escape the 6th-10th quagmire we are in now...

We can very easily improve our list without trading Harry. The issue is our peripheral players don't compliment our big guns whatsoever. Replace the slow plodder types with players with more speed and skill and we're better off, even if they're similar in quality.

 

[agro]

I would love Austin & Lloyd to explain why we gave Pittonet Young Cottrell Durdin multi year contract extensions long before their seasons were up

These type of deals for fringe players can really restrict list decisions and improvements

This was Marcus Davies and Aaron Joseph all over again.

 

[btdg]

We can very easily improve our list without trading Harry. The issue is our peripheral players don't compliment our big guns whatsoever. Replace the slow plodder types with players with more speed and skill and we're better off, even if they're similar in quality.

How do we add players with speed and skill? That's the exact combination everyone wants right now and Hawthorn's little run (and demolition of us) is going to make everyone double down on that.

So how do we add that when we have maybe one pick in the top 10, need all the rest for F/S picks (who aren't those traits)...

Slow-ish and clunky by foot (but smart and versatile) has been going cheap the last few years... that's how we got Hollands, Acres, even Hewett all nice and cheap.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

How do we add players with speed and skill? That's the exact combination everyone wants right now and Hawthorn's little run (and demolition of us) is going to make everyone double down on that.

So how do we add that when we have maybe one pick in the top 10, need all the rest for F/S picks (who aren't those traits)...

Slow-ish and clunky by foot (but smart and versatile) has been going cheap the last few years... that's how we got Hollands, Acres, even Hewett all nice and cheap.

We get those skills at the draft and via free agency and trade. I genuinely believe the club hadn't identified it as a weakness up until this season and thought Cunners, Martin, Williams etc would be enough this season if they could stay fit and healthy.