Autopsy Round 23, 2024: Positives and Negatives vs Carlton

[VinegarStrokes]

In a long list of things that shit me watching these useless pricks, this is probably number one.

Couldn't agree more. Especially when the first tackler can't execute a reasonable tackle / disrupt the disposal.

 

[Goroyals22]

Sure mate.

I’ll take that as a concession …

32 goals for the year from him, 25 tackles inside 50. 50 tackles for the year.

Compare that to Liam Ryan’s 23 goals and 9 inside 50 tackles , 27 for the year from one less game..

One has a contract for the next two years and one doesn’t have a contract at all… no surprise who is who


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[DirtySandman]

Post season trip

Our players - ‘in my mind, I’ve already gone’

 

[Bender_]

I’ll take that as a concession …

32 goals for the year from him, 25 tackles inside 50. 50 tackles for the year.

Compare that to Liam Ryan’s 23 goals and 9 inside 50 tackles , 27 for the year from one less game..

One has a contract for the next two years and one doesn’t have a contract at all… no surprise who is who


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Wow what a great story.

 

[Obeanie1]

Can we confirm Barrass attended the game or not?

If he wasn't there.........that's a big negative. And a slight positive.

 

[cacik]

Have you noticed whenever we have equal players with our opponents at a contest - say a 2 v 2, and the opposition gets the ball, both our players will go to pressure the opponent with the ball leaving the other free to receive

I'd rate him as one of the worst players in the league. And we made him look like a million bucks today.

Made me wanna puke.

Agree agree bruz. the pressure we
apply is absolutely token. Zero intent and tactically abysmal

 

[cacik]

We've been doing it since 2020.

I have no idea why that was coached into them but it's mind bogglingly stupid and something Auskickers are taught not to do.

And I reckon I've seen 3 shepards for a team mate since 2020.

 

[Obeanie1]

One thing I noticed yesterday and it's been an issue for some time is in close we harras and corral....sometimes tackle.

But what we don't do often enough is bend over, commit, put our heads over the ball and pick it up.

We seem to be too tentative and watch the opposition bend down and get the loose ball.

It's why Garcia would be a good get IMO.

We need more decent ground ball players.

 

[Goroyals22]

Wow what a great story.

Feel free to compare the players on afl .com

You will find these stats for a start









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[kranky al]

Only the 2 positives for me,

I think we've found a player in HJ. Similar to Longy very handy team role based player to take over from tommy Cole down the track

H Edwards looks like he can hold his own. Makes trading out tb an easy decision

Wasn’t he playing on a guy a head shorter?

 

[jdisc]

Feel free to compare the players on afl .com

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You're looking at totals and Owies has played 6 more games than Ryan

 

[jdisc]

“We gave tasks to individuals and they didn’t follow.

“When you give a task to someone and they don’t execute their role, then you’re searching for other players to step up in that space that shouldn’t have to.

“That’s the accountability for that individual.

“At the end of the day, certain individuals need to take ownership of messaging and performances from that game.

The interim coach conceded there were players “playing for list spots”

‘Didn’t really turn up’: Eagles blasted for woeful loss as players told they’re ‘playing for list spots’

‘Didn’t really turn up’: Eagles blasted for woeful loss as players told they’re ‘playing for list spots’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

I would like to see Kelly out of there as don’t think he’s a natural midfielder. Would like to see him play in the role like he did at Geelong when he played on a HFF with only stints in the midfield.

I think I'm coming around to this view.

Kelly has a lot going for him but west coast's fundamental problem is we are a dreadful clearance side - you look over the last few years and the two constants from week to week on the stats sheet are <insert oppositions best midfielder(s) name(s) here> 30+ touches, 8+ clearances - yeah we get something the other way, but it's not enough.

The other constant, of course is 'wow <insert opposition ruckman name here> had his best game for the season, dominated the clearances and gave his mids silver service.' Kelly should not be in the centre square, Bailey Williams simply shouldn't be on an AFL list. About the nicest thing you can say about him is he tries, but simply put he gets thrashed by every other starting ruckman in the competition. It's not even like he's getting beaten by experienced ruckman with great draft pedigrees, the guy utterly reaming him yesterday was a pick 50 who has played 59 games, the week before it was Xerri (55 games, off the rookie list). His contemporaries are smashing him.

Bailey strikes me as a guy who is hard worker and ripper bloke around the club so the hierarchy keep closing their eyes to the fact that he is clearly not an AFL player. Is there any ruckman in the league who hasn't had a career night against him?

 

[stallon]

Bailey strikes me as a guy who is hard worker and ripper bloke around the club so the hierarchy keep closing their eyes to the fact that he is clearly not an AFL player. Is there any ruckman in the league who hasn't had a career night against him?

 

[Bender_]

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That's a whole bunch of stats that I dont really give a shit about. He had a great game against us (which I said) and is having a better season than Ryan.

If you want him in your team that's your thing, but forgive me if I don't share the same opinion as someone that won't concede that Waterman is having an outstanding season.

 

[Trouto]

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winning ruck taps does not make a ruckman...most of BW's ruck taps go directly to oppo players. try listing "hitouts to advantage"

 

[stallon]

winning ruck taps does not make a ruckman...most of BW's ruck taps go directly to oppo players. try listing "hitouts to advantage"

Haha I know, just wanted to put some English flame in here.

 

[Trouto]

Haha I know, just wanted to put some English flame in here.

I think the only people who were cheering for English was The West Australian.

 

[DirtySandman]

How’s the Carlton bloke coming on as sub, was probably bricking it before the game thinking he might come on 10 goals down or a close game.

Skips on ten goals up, no pressure , I knew he’d kick his first goal, ended up with a couple of chances, his goal was pretty sharp.

 

[ziad]

How’s the Carlton bloke coming on as sub, was probably bricking it before the game thinking he might come on 10 goals down or a close game.

Skips on ten goals up, no pressure , I knew he’d kick his first goal, ended up with a couple of chances, his goal was pretty sharp.

He dropped down a level from VFL pressure.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

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Bailey Williams stats against Max Gawn are crazy also if you wanna look at those over last few years. Geniunely the only ruck he can beat. Its damn strange

 

[DirtySandman]

Bailey needs to go full Troy Wilson and just smash through blokes.

 

[Doashuey]

Positive: Spent the day out at the Reef slaying fish.

Negative: Get home in time to turn the TV on 5 minutes into the 3rd quarter.

Positive: Spent the next hour filleting fish knowing I missed nothing.

 

[LawrenceJameson]

It could be that Bailey Williams & Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

aren’t good enough to be Ruck & midfielder. Kelly might make a useful half forward with occasional runs on the ball. They are both common denominators in several years of shite


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[stallon]

Bailey Williams stats against Max Gawn are crazy also if you wanna look at those over last few years. Geniunely the only ruck he can beat. Its damn strange

Bailey goes full tagger mode basically from what I could tell. He should do it more often vs the more athletic rucks.

I think hed struggle to do it that well vs the bigger bodied rucks