Rumour Multiple GWS players are set to be suspended to start the 2025 season after distasteful costumes and skits from their post-season function

[Carringbush2010]

We all know it wasn’t a player that complained and it doesn’t make a difference

Huge difference if it doesn't get to the public eye, which it wasn't intended to.

I'll point you to post 2028.

 

[Romeoh1]

Correct, so in the off chance one person will take offence you can't hire a public venue for an intended private event. So if any football team want to have an event intended to be private, what lengths do they need to go to now? Why bother hiring the venue in the first place?

As I've said earlier, because society is so averse to offending anyone for fear of retribution / consequences this is what we've come to. Private events at hired public places, forget about it.

Whatever term you wanna use, it's an indirect and probably unintended form of cancel culture, likely only to appease a minuscule noisy minority.

Watch this space, Mad Mondays will likely die off for fear of consequences.

They don't, if you've read the thread there's lots of angst about the over reaction, the fact the event >should< have been private (this is NOT to be public), and the hypocrisy of the AFL. No one's complaining that consequences shouldn't exist

And that's subject to opinion, fair assumption, the fair bit is only applied to noisy minorities. Hence the push back.

Yeah they need to find a place where they can do whatever skits they want, problem is that 'place' would be very difficult to find.

May as well not bother, and this is what's going to happen going forward.

What should've happened is

-footy players hire a public venue for private event
-staff at the event should've been informed of what is going to take place
-if staff are uncomfortable, they make a request for it not to go ahead
-being the society that we are now, those costumes and skits don't happen

Or if you value liberal principles

-if staff are uncomfortable, they make a request for it not to go ahead
-being that this venue is being hired by a customer the staff members are given the choice to work the shift or not
-this doesn't go public, the AFL save face and don't have to be hypocritical, no damage done.

Why would ‘mad Mondays die off’ when the vast majority of them are conducted by all levels of clubs every year, year in, year out and we pretty well never have anything but a pleasant read about some of them?

 

[Muddiemoose]

Huge difference if it doesn't get to the public eye, which it wasn't intended to.

I'll point you to post 2028.

Staff members of the venue fall under the category of public and are well within rights to complain unless they have signed a legally binding NDA

 

[iameviljez]

Staff members of the venue fall under the category of public and are well within rights to complain unless they have signed a legally binding NDA

Not a single beer-puller will be paid NDA level money, I'll give you that much.

Why are people (not you) coming up with such elaborate ways to facilitate rape joke skits in pubs in this thread instead of just saying the obvious: don't be a complete trashbag on a day/night out? **** me dead, it's not that hard, every other organisation (with the exception of Merivale and television channels, seemingly) seems to manage it.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Not a single beer-puller will be paid NDA level money, I'll give you that much.

Why are people (not you) coming up with such elaborate ways to facilitate rape joke skits in pubs in this thread instead of just saying the obvious: don't be a complete trashbag on a day/night out? **** me dead, it's not that hard, every other organisation (with the exception of Merivale and television channels, seemingly) seems to manage it.

Agree 100%

I can’t say I agree with all of the sanctions especially towards the leadership group but it’s really not that difficult to comprehend even if you don’t agree with any of it

The players have signed contracts with behaviour clause’s knowing that they could get fines if they break the clause’s and have done so hence the fines

 

[iameviljez]

News on the grapevine is the AFL is going to ban Bux parties for players as some actions might offend some people.

You need a better grapevine

 

[Checkered]

Imagine unironically using the word "wokeification" hahahah incredible

Few boomers boomering in here hey

 

[Carringbush2010]

Why would ‘mad Mondays die off’ when the vast majority of them are conducted by all levels of clubs every year, year in, year out and we pretty well never have anything but a pleasant read about some of them?

Because they're out in public, at pubs, different to a hired venue yes I know, not the point, now we have a precedent set in what was supposed to be not public at all.

Certain costumes and behaviour someone somewhere will find offence to, so clubs and players will be averse to any publicity involving the 'boys letting their hair down'

 

[Carringbush2010]

Staff members of the venue fall under the category of public and are well within rights to complain unless they have signed a legally binding NDA

Exactly, so what's the point of hiring the venue to be private? May as well not have hired it in the first place.

Like I said in post 2028..........

What should've happened is

-footy players hire a public venue for private event
-staff at the event should've been informed of what is going to take place
-if staff are uncomfortable, they make a request for it not to go ahead
-being the society that we are now, those costumes and skits don't happen

Or if you value liberal principles

-if staff are uncomfortable, they make a request for it not to go ahead
-being that this venue is being hired by a customer the staff members are given the choice to work the shift or not
-this doesn't go public, the AFL save face and don't have to be hypocritical, no damage done.

Do you have an issue with the liberal principles?

Or do you view that the staff members have overriding right to the liberal principles over the paying customer?

 

[Carringbush2010]

You need a better grapevine

The AFL could use this as an example though for bucks parties that players have.

If they don't hand down sanctions for similar incidents at bucks parties then that'd be hypocritical.

I guess that doesn't matter coz the AFL are already hypocritical.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

Exactly, so what's the point of hiring the venue to be private? May as well not have hired it in the first place.

Like I said in post 2028..........

What should've happened is

-footy players hire a public venue for private event
-staff at the event should've been informed of what is going to take place
-if staff are uncomfortable, they make a request for it not to go ahead
-being the society that we are now, those costumes and skits don't happen

Or if you value liberal principles

-if staff are uncomfortable, they make a request for it not to go ahead
-being that this venue is being hired by a customer the staff members are given the choice to work the shift or not
-this doesn't go public, the AFL save face and don't have to be hypocritical, no damage done.

Do you have an issue with the liberal principles?

Or do you view that the staff members have overriding right to the liberal principles over the paying customer?

"Hi, I'm Toby Greene, captain of the GWS Giants and I would like to book this venu for the 16th September for our Mad Monday. Just so you know, we are planning on playing dress ups and simulating acts of rape and slavery scenes from movies, is that ok with you?"

Yeah, sure they would have been totally cool with it...

 

[Romeoh1]

Because they're out in public, at pubs, different to a hired venue yes I know, not the point, now we have a precedent set in what was supposed to be not public at all.

Certain costumes and behaviour someone somewhere will find offence to, so clubs and players will be averse to any publicity involving the 'boys letting their hair down'

Can’t agree- virtually all the mad Mondays are conducted in a reasonable manner by majority of the players- can see no reason that won’t continue. Of course they can let their hair down-just don’t be a duffer-pretty simple. 99% of them can manage that. Can’t see why gws can’t.
And also, it’s pretty naive to think a public footy club of professional players can conduct any sort of event without anyone noticing. Not sure on what planet that would ever be the case in these days of an ever present social media. Suspect it would have been only a matter of time before images from the event appeared on Instagram etc. Crikey 0gws are all over the social media scene. Pretty savvy when they want to be.

 

[Carringbush2010]

"Hi, I'm Toby Greene, captain of the GWS Giants and I would like to book this venu for the 16th September for our Mad Monday. Just so you know, we are planning on playing dress ups and simulating acts of rape and slavery scenes from movies, is that ok with you?"

Yeah, sure they would have been totally cool with it...

Well I guess most people that also are staff at bucks and hens parties don't have issue with similar incidents usually, otherwise there'd be shedloads of complaints each week to an authority, and those pubs wouldn't stay open.

To most people they'd be just 'meh, just keep it to your private function room'

So yeah your argument is weak.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Exactly, so what's the point of hiring the venue to be private? May as well not have hired it in the first place.

Like I said in post 2028..........

What should've happened is

-footy players hire a public venue for private event
-staff at the event should've been informed of what is going to take place
-if staff are uncomfortable, they make a request for it not to go ahead
-being the society that we are now, those costumes and skits don't happen

Or if you value liberal principles

-if staff are uncomfortable, they make a request for it not to go ahead
-being that this venue is being hired by a customer the staff members are given the choice to work the shift or not
-this doesn't go public, the AFL save face and don't have to be hypocritical, no damage done.

Do you have an issue with the liberal principles?

Or do you view that the staff members have overriding right to the liberal principles over the paying customer?

That’s not how hiring spaces work at all

The only “private” aspect is that you have control of the guests nothing to do with staff

If you want a truly private event have it at a house with no 3rd party catering, security, ect not a commercial premises

You can’t just hire a joint and can have a free for all

 

[Carringbush2010]

Can’t agree- virtually all the mad Mondays are conducted in a reasonable manner by majority of the players

Again, subject to opinion, what you or I consider 'reasonable manner' is not to others. Yeah I know the 'others' are the minuscule minority but that minority is always catered for.

Laws and rules for lowest common denominator and all that.

Of course they can let their hair down-just don’t be a duffer-pretty simple. 99% of them can manage that.

Again, subject to opinion, someone somewhere will be offended.

So to ensure there are no consequences, let's not have a mad Monday.

And also, it’s pretty naive to think a public footy club of professional players can conduct any sort of event without anyone noticing. Not sure on what planet that would ever be the case in these days of an ever present social media. Suspect it would have been only a matter of time before images from the event appeared on Instagram etc. Crikey 0gws are all over the social media scene. Pretty savvy when they want to be.

And this is the problem.

Not very good for privacy is it, which is what this event was supposed to be, in other words the 'we don't want the public to know'

 

[Carringbush2010]

That’s not how hiring spaces work at all

The only “private” aspect is that you have control of the guests nothing to do with staff

If you want a truly private event have it at a house with no 3rd party catering, security, ect not a commercial premises

You can’t just hire a joint and can have a free for all

Agreed and that's the point.

Why bother having a 'private' function if it can't be 'private'?

And you can't do it at someone's house because you might be seen in what some would consider an offensive costume before you go in, security might take offence. If you're gonna have security you may as well have catering, more people that might get offended.

Because this private function ended up being not private is why we're eleventy billion comments in. But it seems you can't have a truly private function anymore, and because society panders to the overly sensitive, it'd be stupid to hold private functions.

Not very liberal is it, in fact it's illiberal.

So I'll ask these questions again, because I'd like your opinion on them.

Do you have an issue with the liberal principles?

Or do you view that the staff members have overriding right to the liberal principles over the paying customer?

 

[Kennedy84]

Unbelievable, so many voluntary corporate stasi around, and people wonder how it was continued in East Germany.

Nothing illegal happened, distasteful? Depends on who you ask.

People who want to clamp down on freedom of expression, freedom of speech, disgust me.

 

[Underarm]

Well I guess most people that also are staff at bucks and hens parties don't have issue with similar incidents usually, otherwise there'd be shedloads of complaints each week to an authority, and those pubs wouldn't stay open.

To most people they'd be just 'meh, just keep it to your private function room'

So yeah your argument is weak.

If that's what goes on at bucks parties you go to, you need better friends.

 

[Underarm]

Unbelievable, so many voluntary corporate stasi around, and people wonder how it was continued in East Germany.

Nothing illegal happened, distasteful? Depends on who you ask.

People who want to clamp down on freedom of expression, freedom of speech, disgust me.

I'm asking you. Do you think making a joke out of sexual assault is funny?

 

[Romeoh1]

Again, subject to opinion, what you or I consider 'reasonable manner' is not to others. Yeah I know the 'others' are the minuscule minority but that minority is always catered for.

Laws and rules for lowest common denominator and all that.

Again, subject to opinion, someone somewhere will be offended.

So to ensure there are no consequences, let's not have a mad Monday.

And this is the problem.

Not very good for privacy is it, which is what this event was supposed to be, in other words the 'we don't want the public to know'

Well the ‘reasonable person’ ( and that is applied to everyone in our society), is the theory underpinning a lot of our legal structures and think you’ll find the vast majority of people do in fact know how to conduct themselves in a reasonable manner. There’s a bit of room for movement but it’s generally not needed because most people get it.
Feel like your reactions here are a bit hysterical really. Just doesn’t seem worthy of making such a big deal.
And again-your concept of privacy might need brushing up. Everything gets out nowadays- naive to think otherwise.

 

[Romeoh1]

Unbelievable, so many voluntary corporate stasi around, and people wonder how it was continued in East Germany.

Nothing illegal happened, distasteful? Depends on who you ask.

People who want to clamp down on freedom of expression, freedom of speech, disgust me.

lol- yep this is so like the stasi dude.

 

[iameviljez]

The AFL could use this as an example though for bucks parties that players have.

If they don't hand down sanctions for similar incidents at bucks parties then that'd be hypocritical.

I guess that doesn't matter coz the AFL are already hypocritical.

The key difference with this and any other event is that someone needs to be in earshot and upset enough to complain.

Besides, this is not a problem of Whacky Wednesday, or buck parties, or drunken behaviour. It’s a story of acting out loud rape jokes as amateur theatre for people who are just trying to do their job. Many people have an outrageous and filthy stag do without doing this.

 

[Kennedy84]

lol- yep this is so like the stasi dude.

The voluntary monitoring, for what is essentially corporate interests, I find baffling....atleast the stasi were coerced.

 

[iameviljez]

Not very good for privacy is it, which is what this event was supposed to be, in other words the 'we don't want the public to know'

That is not what a private function is. A private function is only one where the space is reserved for you and your invitees; it is not a secret function for you to do as you wish.

 

[Romeoh1]

The voluntary monitoring, for what is essentially corporate interests, I find baffling....atleast the stasi were coerced.

Regardless, your comparison to east Germany is ludicrous.