List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.3

[Diehard Saint]

I think a lot of that had to do with our crappy ball movement at the start of the year but either way Membrey turns 31 next year, if he wasn’t finished by next year it would probably be the one after. Loved him but it was time to move on.

One year was the correct decision.
Also showed him some respect as an integral part of the team over a decade., rather than just retiring him.

Hope he does well in the next couple of years.

 

[Waiting for Godot]

Wasn't Richo a development guru at Port before we got him?

Richo was a poster boy for mediocrity. The club invested millions in his development as a coach. An estimated $4 million in salary alone.

He was sent on numerous leadership/personal development type courses in the off season periods, with one at Harvard costing $250,000 for a six week stint!

A complete waste of time and money. Another bizarre mistake from Matt Finnis. It was never going to work. Richo was a very limited player and was the same as a coach.

Dull, uninspiring, a poor communicator (feedback from a player who spent 3 years being coached by him), who often lost his temper. He had all the charm of a suburban caravan park.

His appointment ranks in the top 3 mistakes of the, "Decade of Mediocrity". The other 2 were selecting McCartin ahead of Petracca, and the appointment of Elshaug as the head of recruiting, despite him having no qualifications nor relevant experience.

We're still trying to recover from these disastrous decisions.

 

[StCicatriz]

Richo was a poster boy for mediocrity. The club invested millions in his development as a coach. An estimated $4 million in salary alone.

He was sent on numerous leadership/personal development type courses in the off season periods, with one at Harvard costing $250,000 for a six week stint!

A complete waste of time and money. Another bizarre mistake from Matt Finnis. It was never going to work. Richo was a very limited player and was the same as a coach.

Dull, uninspiring, a poor communicator (feedback from a player who spent 3 years being coached by him), who often lost his temper. He had all the charm of a suburban caravan park.

His appointment ranks in the top 3 mistakes of the, "Decade of Mediocrity". The other 2 were selecting McCartin ahead of Petracca, and the appointment of Elshaug as the head of recruiting, despite him having no qualifications nor relevant experience.

We're still trying to recover from these disastrous decisions.

i was told they got brett ratten to get richo some help. writing was on the wall then. but i was told if lethers thought he was no good they'd move him on. they didn't so they thought he could work out with some help.

they really didn't rate trout though.

the appointments under finnis were seriously bad. the jamie cox one was comical.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

i was told they got brett ratten to get richo some help. writing was on the wall then. but i was told if lethers thought he was no good they'd move him on. they didn't so they thought he could work out with some help.

they really didn't rate trout though.

the appointments under finnis were seriously bad. the jamie cox one was comical.

You’re not wrong bruz. Jamie ****en Cox what the **** were they thinking.
Even Peta and that idiot ****en list manager we had, can’t remember his name, not Baines even though he was bad enough, the one before him.

 

[St Neil]

You’re not wrong bruz. Jamie *en Cox what the * were they thinking.
Even Peta and that idiot ****en list manager we had, can’t remember his name, not Baines even though he was bad enough, the one before him.

Chris Pelchen. Known around here as the Pelican.


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[StCicatriz]

Chris Pelchen. Known around here as the Pelican.


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That's the one replaced pelchen with someone who would have a more pointed edge football wise then went and hired a bloke who said he had no idea about football and would be relying heavily on richo.

Like fmd.

Richo could write his own cheque and extensions at that point.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Richo was a poster boy for mediocrity. The club invested millions in his development as a coach. An estimated $4 million in salary alone.

He was sent on numerous leadership/personal development type courses in the off season periods, with one at Harvard costing $250,000 for a six week stint!

A complete waste of time and money. Another bizarre mistake from Matt Finnis. It was never going to work. Richo was a very limited player and was the same as a coach.

Dull, uninspiring, a poor communicator (feedback from a player who spent 3 years being coached by him), who often lost his temper. He had all the charm of a suburban caravan park.

His appointment ranks in the top 3 mistakes of the, "Decade of Mediocrity". The other 2 were selecting McCartin ahead of Petracca, and the appointment of Elshaug as the head of recruiting, despite him having no qualifications nor relevant experience.

We're still trying to recover from these disastrous decisions.

AFL coaches going off to Harvard for training - what a waste - you'd never see the likes of Hawthorn, Sydney or Geelong making that mistake.

No wait - haven't Clarkson, Longmire, Brad Scott and countless other coaches been sent to do the same course?

Also curious to know what relevant experience you need to be a List Manager if 160 AFL games as a player, 15 years as an assistant coach in the AFL isn't enough?

 

[bergholt]

Also curious to know what relevant experience you need to be a List Manager if 160 AFL games as a player, 15 years as an assistant coach in the AFL isn't enough?

Why would you need to have played AFL games to be a list manager?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Richo was a poster boy for mediocrity. The club invested millions in his development as a coach. An estimated $4 million in salary alone.

He was sent on numerous leadership/personal development type courses in the off season periods, with one at Harvard costing $250,000 for a six week stint!

A complete waste of time and money. Another bizarre mistake from Matt Finnis. It was never going to work. Richo was a very limited player and was the same as a coach.

Dull, uninspiring, a poor communicator (feedback from a player who spent 3 years being coached by him), who often lost his temper. He had all the charm of a suburban caravan park.

His appointment ranks in the top 3 mistakes of the, "Decade of Mediocrity". The other 2 were selecting McCartin ahead of Petracca, and the appointment of Elshaug as the head of recruiting, despite him having no qualifications nor relevant experience.

We're still trying to recover from these disastrous decisions.

I was going to cheer this post for accuracy, but then realised it’s just damn sad and infuriating

 

[tomjoad]

Has any coach done the Harvard course since Richo!?
I could see it being quickly demoted to community college level over there, after that F*cker tarnishing it with his face & character.
Dude is a stain.

 

[Flandersss]

Has any coach done the Harvard course since Richo!?
I could see it being quickly demoted to community college level over there, after that F*cker tarnishing it with his face & character.
Dude is a stain.

Pleasing

 

[dougiemac]

I love this kind of stuff in here.

We love our moles.

 

[Leap of Faith]

Richo was a poster boy for mediocrity. The club invested millions in his development as a coach. An estimated $4 million in salary alone.

He was sent on numerous leadership/personal development type courses in the off season periods, with one at Harvard costing $250,000 for a six week stint!

A complete waste of time and money. Another bizarre mistake from Matt Finnis. It was never going to work. Richo was a very limited player and was the same as a coach.

Dull, uninspiring, a poor communicator (feedback from a player who spent 3 years being coached by him), who often lost his temper. He had all the charm of a suburban caravan park.

His appointment ranks in the top 3 mistakes of the, "Decade of Mediocrity". The other 2 were selecting McCartin ahead of Petracca, and the appointment of Elshaug as the head of recruiting, despite him having no qualifications nor relevant experience.

We're still trying to recover from these disastrous decisions.

Richo was also shyte at dealing with conflict and making hard calls. He avoided difficult conversations with players. Consequently lost their respect. "G'day Saints fans....." "If you just park that bad quarter...."

 

[pebblesofsand]

Why would you need to have played AFL games to be a list manager?

Maybe you don't - but then again I did ask the poster what qualifications they thought are needed to be a list manager.

Perhaps this is all you need

https://aflsportsready.com.au/live2017/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Melb-List-Management-Flyer.pdf

$900 bucks - bargain - surely must be better than someone who spent nearly 20 years in elite AFL environments and saw up close the various traits and skills of those who make it and those that don't.

 

[bergholt]

Maybe you don't - but then again I did ask the poster what qualifications they thought are needed to be a list manager.

Perhaps this is all you need

https://aflsportsready.com.au/live2017/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Melb-List-Management-Flyer.pdf

$900 bucks - bargain - surely must be better than someone who spent nearly 20 years in elite AFL environments and saw up close the various traits and skills of those who make it and those that don't.

List manager isn’t the one who makes the decisions about which guys to keep and delist, that’s a much bigger decision than a single role

 

[LennyHayes77]

I think a lot of that had to do with our crappy ball movement at the start of the year but either way Membrey turns 31 next year, if he wasn’t finished by next year it would probably be the one after. Loved him but it was time to move on.

I'm okay that we moved on from Members, we need to continue to get younger and have a strong core grow together but we need to be careful about cutting loose blokes just because they're 30. Look at teams like Geelong and Collingwood who have plenty of guys in their mid-30s being key pieces of premiership teams. We can't just always move on once a player hits 30, like that's it, their best footy is behind them. We need to continue to have a strong veteran presence on and off the field.

Also I'm well aware Membrey was a free agent and he chose to leave but my point still stands. If a player is best 22 letting them leave isn't a good practice for our future.

 

[akaifu]

I'm okay that we moved on from Members, we need to continue to get younger and have a strong core grow together but we need to be careful about cutting loose blokes just because they're 30. Look at teams like Geelong and Collingwood who have plenty of guys in their mid-30s being key pieces of premiership teams. We can't just always move on once a player hits 30, like that's it, their best footy is behind them. We need to continue to have a strong veteran presence on and off the field.

Also I'm well aware Membrey was a free agent and he chose to leave but my point still stands. If a player is best 22 letting them leave isn't a good practice for our future.

Our veteran group is Marshall, Sinclair, Wilkie, Steele, Hill, Wood. Also have Webster and Doug, as well as Macrae now. There is a point where we have too many veterans playing in the starting 22 - Membrey is in that category

The question is do you prioritise Membrey or Caminiti/Sharman/Owens. Easy answer to that

 

[hayes]

I'm okay that we moved on from Members, we need to continue to get younger and have a strong core grow together but we need to be careful about cutting loose blokes just because they're 30. Look at teams like Geelong and Collingwood who have plenty of guys in their mid-30s being key pieces of premiership teams. We can't just always move on once a player hits 30, like that's it, their best footy is behind them. We need to continue to have a strong veteran presence on and off the field.

Also I'm well aware Membrey was a free agent and he chose to leave but my point still stands. If a player is best 22 letting them leave isn't a good practice for our future.

I think a lot of it had to do with having King, Caminiti and Sharman coming through. The teams you mentioned are in premiership contention though, if we’re at that stage then you’d definitely keep all the 30+ year olds but we were a kick away from finishing 14th. We need to find the next core.

 

[BrutThough]

Has there been any links to a potential DFAs?

We still have that back-up ruck issue and are potentially a mature KPP short.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Maybe you don't - but then again I did ask the poster what qualifications they thought are needed to be a list manager.

Perhaps this is all you need

https://aflsportsready.com.au/live2017/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Melb-List-Management-Flyer.pdf

$900 bucks - bargain - surely must be better than someone who spent nearly 20 years in elite AFL environments and saw up close the various traits and skills of those who make it and those that don't.

James Gallagher knew his way around the footy field , but he'd worked in finance.
He had a team of recruiters , including a head recruiter, who no doubt sat down in a meeting with the coach , head of footy, head of recruiting , and decided who to target.
Assuming James wasn't making personal calls on the players involved, i have to think he did a reasonable job.
Other clubs certainly had bigger issues with their salary cap.

( anyway, Finance is the same skillset as Coaching , ask Chris Scott ).

 

[CursingFijian]

Continous learning drives competitive advantage. It’s a cultural aspect that all senior coaches work hard to instil at their clubs. Why shouldn’t that apply to senior staff?

I think enrolling in formal short courses, embedments in elite cross sporting environments, and attending industry conferences are all reasonable initiatives for a club that aspires to be elite.

I think funding those initiatives should be a shared responsibility in some cases, especially if a personal qualification is an outcome.

At the core of it all though we have to have the right talent in the position to begin with, otherwise we’re just polishing mediocrity.

And in hindsight, Richo was a very average coach.

 

[Waiting for Godot]

AFL coaches going off to Harvard for training - what a waste - you'd never see the likes of Hawthorn, Sydney or Geelong making that mistake.

No wait - haven't Clarkson, Longmire, Brad Scott and countless other coaches been sent to do the same course?

Also curious to know what relevant experience you need to be a List Manager if 160 AFL games as a player, 15 years as an assistant coach in the AFL isn't enough?

You missed my point about sending Richo to Harvard. Of course it's a good idea to invest in the professional development of your coach.

My argument is that while it was appropriate for Hawthorn, Geelong, Swines and Collingwood to send their respective coaches to complete these courses, Richo was simply not up to benefiting himself nor the club by following suit. Like sending a primary school kid to to study for a Doctorate in astrophysics.

His record of failure and mediocrity speaks for itself. The other clubs were rewarded for their investment with premierships. We didn't even get a single finals appearance out of ours.

Your argument for Elshaug is bizarre. So you believe having played the game is sufficient to qualify you for the job? Or sucking up Pagan or Lyon's arse for 15 years does? They didn't even follow their normal protocols for filling the position. They gifted it to him and boy did the club pay a high price for that.

I can assure you I know what type Elshaug is. A little narcissist who vastly over rates himself. His record speaks for itself.

I did some scouting work for both the kangas and WB during the teens. He was considered a joke at North and rejected for the top job at the WB.

He applied for numerous coaching jobs and failed to get any of them. "As dumb as dogshit," was how he was described by a colleague from Norf. I was horrified when he was gifted the top recruiting job with us.

The other problem for his insane pursuit of a high profile job in the AFL is his record. Notice that only the dopers have employed him since Lethlean sacked him. That gig lasted a year I believe, until they also saw how shithouse he was. I don't think anyone else has taken a chance on him since. Good riddance.

 

[LJC05]

You missed my point about sending Richo to Harvard. Of course it's a good idea to invest in the professional development of your coach.

My argument is that while it was appropriate for Hawthorn, Geelong, Swines and Collingwood to send their respective coaches to complete these courses, Richo was simply not up to benefiting himself nor the club by following suit. Like sending a primary school kid to to study for a Doctorate in astrophysics.

His record of failure and mediocrity speaks for itself. The other clubs were rewarded for their investment with premierships. We didn't even get a single finals appearance out of ours.

Your argument for Elshaug is bizarre. So you believe having played the game is sufficient to qualify you for the job? Or sucking up Pagan or Lyon's arse for 15 years does? They didn't even follow their normal protocols for filling the position. They gifted it to him and boy did the club pay a high price for that.

I can assure you I know what type Elshaug is. A little narcissist who vastly over rates himself. His record speaks for itself.

I did some scouting work for both the kangas and WB during the teens. He was considered a joke at North and rejected for the top job at the WB.

He applied for numerous coaching jobs and failed to get any of them. "As dumb as dogshit," was how he was described by a colleague from Norf. I was horrified when he was gifted the top recruiting job with us.

The other problem for his insane pursuit of a high profile job in the AFL is his record. Notice that only the dopers have employed him since Lethlean sacked him. That gig lasted a year I believe, unil they also saw how shithouse he was. I don't think anyone else has taken a chance on him since. Good riddance.

If anyone wants a giggle, check out Elshaug’s LinkedIn page look what he lists as achievements during his tenure with us.

 

[goodie23]

Has there been any links to a potential DFAs?

We still have that back-up ruck issue and are potentially a mature KPP short.

Not a lot of rucks delisted this year. Naismith retired because he's pretty well cooked, Mate Colina is going to be re-rookied, Preuss isn't worth it, McAndrew from Sydney might be worth a look.

 

[austinnn]

You missed my point about sending Richo to Harvard. Of course it's a good idea to invest in the professional development of your coach.

My argument is that while it was appropriate for Hawthorn, Geelong, Swines and Collingwood to send their respective coaches to complete these courses, Richo was simply not up to benefiting himself nor the club by following suit. Like sending a primary school kid to to study for a Doctorate in astrophysics.

His record of failure and mediocrity speaks for itself. The other clubs were rewarded for their investment with premierships. We didn't even get a single finals appearance out of ours.

Your argument for Elshaug is bizarre. So you believe having played the game is sufficient to qualify you for the job? Or sucking up Pagan or Lyon's arse for 15 years does? They didn't even follow their normal protocols for filling the position. They gifted it to him and boy did the club pay a high price for that.

I can assure you I know what type Elshaug is. A little narcissist who vastly over rates himself. His record speaks for itself.

I did some scouting work for both the kangas and WB during the teens. He was considered a joke at North and rejected for the top job at the WB.

He applied for numerous coaching jobs and failed to get any of them. "As dumb as dogshit," was how he was described by a colleague from Norf. I was horrified when he was gifted the top recruiting job with us.

The other problem for his insane pursuit of a high profile job in the AFL is his record. Notice that only the dopers have employed him since Lethlean sacked him. That gig lasted a year I believe, unil they also saw how shithouse he was. I don't think anyone else has taken a chance on him since. Good riddance.

How in the blue FLICK did Lyon end up with Trout as an assistant anyway? He rarely tolerates fools. And why tf did we promote him to list manager? What did he do to impress the CEO? Was he just cheaper?