Game Day 2024 Draftmatmas live celebration and melt thread

[richoatthedisco]

Where they were picked means nothing now , These kids were picked at their picks because we rated them at that pick
Not sure what the whole D!ck measuring is all about

Yeah, the only important thing is how much taller they can grow.

 

[tigs2010]

Yeah, the only important thing is how much taller they can grow.

 

[Moppey]

List needs. To address them you need just two things imo. Enough for both teams including development. Enough quality for each need at varying stages of development. Pretty simple really.

My biggest concern was pace in the midfield and flanks and the horrible lack of mids in numbers.
Taking just three mids was never going to address this. In fact we only got the midfield numbers back to where they were at the start of the footy season and that was totally inadequate to start with. Imo of course.

Lets use Kpd as a list need or was it.

Numbers before the draft started. - Gibcus, Balta, Miller, Blight, Young definates with potential numbers in Bauer, Gray and Koschitzke. Quite clearly there was no numbers need and we had quality in Gibcus and Balta.
We can now add Trainor to that list. With him there we can now possibly say we have future quality covered but there are never any certs with any pick thats the outlier..

Was it a need? well it was not an immediate one imo. Far more pressing needs than drafting another kpd.
Quality and numbers was 95% covered.

Take the tall forwards a slightly different out look.

Numbers on the list before the draft. Lynch who we need to replace because of age, Kossie still only 24, Lefau 26yo, Mature bodies but the question over quality especially once Lynch is gone.
Then we had young tall forwards in Fawcett, Gray and Bauer. With these three it made for very good numbers but the question was about quality. The option has been to play Balta there as well.
Two young talls would have been more than enough imo to go with the other three young talls we already had along with the three mature players. If any thing a case could be made to target a good mature kpf.
We currently have 9 potential key forwards 10 if lets say Smillie ends up being one just as many as we have mids. No problems with numbers way too many if anything and Armstrong and say Shanahan would help address the quality aspect.

If people are thinking Lalor, Smillie, and Hotton go even close to fixing our mid numbers i say they need to think again.They do help with quality but we sure as hell could have done with proably four more mids and another helping of quality. Injecting pace thru the midfield is also a priorty still.

To be honest im not sure taking a player we probably rate lower than others just because we think they won't get to our next pick is the way to be going. What was wrong with best available in this case.

Personally i would have been rapt to go into next year with the following
KPF - Lynch, Kossie, Lefau Fawcett, Bauer Gray, Armstrong and Shanahan/Whitlock. Thats 5 kids with 3 mature bodies.

A midfield group consisting of Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Ross mature types, McAuliffe, Lalor, Reid, Smillie, Allan, Hotton, Dow and Sonsie plus your wings running types. Again a damn good case could be made for drafting or trading for a mature mid or two.

With just two current nd picks for next year maybe that is the path they will take.

At the end of the day all it means is me and some others would have prefered we do things just a little bit different to what the club did. There is no reason to get upset about it because it differs to what the club did. At the end of the day its just an opinion.There is no right or wrong in this imo.
We got a bunch of kids and all in their own way look like good kids.

 

[tigs2010]

List needs. To address them you need just two things imo. Enough for both teams including development. Enough quality for each need at varying stages of development. Pretty simple really.

My biggest concern was pace in the midfield and flanks and the horrible lack of mids in numbers.
Taking just three mids was never going to address this. In fact we only got the midfield numbers back to where they were at the start of the footy season and that was totally inadequate to start with. Imo of course.

Lets use Kpd as a list need or was it.

Numbers before the draft started. - Gibcus, Balta, Miller, Blight, Young definates with potential numbers in Bauer, Gray and Koschitzke. Quite clearly there was no numbers need and we had quality in Gibcus and Balta.
We can now add Trainor to that list. With him there we can now possibly say we have future quality covered but there are never any certs with any pick thats the outlier..

Was it a need? well it was not an immediate one imo. Far more pressing needs than drafting another kpd.
Quality and numbers was 95% covered.

Take the tall forwards a slightly different out look.

Numbers on the list before the draft. Lynch who we need to replace because of age, Kossie still only 24, Lefau 26yo, Mature bodies but the question over quality especially once Lynch is gone.
Then we had young tall forwards in Fawcett, Gray and Bauer. With these three it made for very good numbers but the question was about quality. The option has been to play Balta there as well.
Two young talls would have been more than enough imo to go with the other three young talls we already had along with the three mature players. If any thing a case could be made to target a good mature kpf.
We currently have 9 potential key forwards 10 if lets say Smillie ends up being one just as many as we have mids. No problems with numbers way too many if anything and Armstrong and say Shanahan would help address the quality aspect.

If people are thinking Lalor, Smillie, and Hotton go even close to fixing our mid numbers i say they need to think again.They do help with quality but we sure as hell could have done with proably four more mids and another helping of quality. Injecting pace thru the midfield is also a priorty still.

To be honest im not sure taking a player we probably rate lower than others just because we think they won't get to our next pick is the way to be going. What was wrong with best available in this case.

Personally i would have been rapt to go into next year with the following
KPF - Lynch, Kossie, Lefau Fawcett, Bauer Gray, Armstrong and Shanahan/Whitlock. Thats 5 kids with 3 mature bodies.

A midfield group consisting of Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Ross mature types, McAuliffe, Lalor, Reid, Smillie, Allan, Hotton, Dow and Sonsie plus your wings running types. Again a damn good case could be made for drafting or trading for a mature mid or two.

With just two current nd picks for next year maybe that is the path they will take.

At the end of the day all it means is me and some others would have prefered we do things just a little bit different to what the club did. There is no reason to get upset about it because it differs to what the club did. At the end of the day its just an opinion.There is no right or wrong in this imo.
We got a bunch of kids and all in their own way look like good kids.

I don't think many would disagree that the list is imbalanced towards the talls.

A lot of those talls have been late hail Mary picks and low chance to make it.

Next year I'm anticipating 2 more gun mids come in with those first rounders plus Kellaway a mid/wing and we probably look to bring a 2026 pick or 2 forward on draft night if possible with some talls and probably a couple of smalls in Dow & McIntosh getting the chop.

I'm also not sure about this story that is gaining traction that we took a player before players we rated higher. I think that's complete nonsense. People just preferred a different player at the pick because the guy we picked was picked later in some mock drafts.

Ultimately we are at ground zero and should be taking the best player available and then look to balance the list later with trade/FA.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Yeah. Teams take the players they want at the picks they have. Not everyone wants the same players, so outside of the first few picks any notion of an objective 'order', and therefore whether a player went 'early' or not, is nonsense.

So did we rate Jasper Algers at 58? Or was it just that we didn’t have anything to trade to get a pick in the 30’s or 40’s…. and fortunately he was still there at 58 and GC accepted a F4 to give us their pick.

So on all available evidence I would say Algers went ‘late’ - it’s just we didn’t have an opportunity to take him any earlier as didn’t have the picks or the trade collateral.

Even way back in 2004. Roughy went ‘early’ because Hawks knew Richmond wanted Roughy but didn’t want Buddy. So they took Roughy at 2 to ensure Buddy was there after Tambling at 5, even though Buddy was their top pick.

So there’s many examples of clubs taking players at picks in the draft different to where they might rate them. This is what is meant by ‘early’ or ‘late’ … it’s not a blight on anyone, it’s just a system where teams have minimal picks, and do their best to select as many of their preferred players as they can which something means selecting them earlier or later than they have them rated.


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[Mr Magic]

List needs. To address them you need just two things imo. Enough for both teams including development. Enough quality for each need at varying stages of development. Pretty simple really.

My biggest concern was pace in the midfield and flanks and the horrible lack of mids in numbers.
Taking just three mids was never going to address this. In fact we only got the midfield numbers back to where they were at the start of the footy season and that was totally inadequate to start with. Imo of course.

Lets use Kpd as a list need or was it.

Numbers before the draft started. - Gibcus, Balta, Miller, Blight, Young definates with potential numbers in Bauer, Gray and Koschitzke. Quite clearly there was no numbers need and we had quality in Gibcus and Balta.
We can now add Trainor to that list. With him there we can now possibly say we have future quality covered but there are never any certs with any pick thats the outlier..

Was it a need? well it was not an immediate one imo. Far more pressing needs than drafting another kpd.
Quality and numbers was 95% covered.

Take the tall forwards a slightly different out look.

Numbers on the list before the draft. Lynch who we need to replace because of age, Kossie still only 24, Lefau 26yo, Mature bodies but the question over quality especially once Lynch is gone.
Then we had young tall forwards in Fawcett, Gray and Bauer. With these three it made for very good numbers but the question was about quality. The option has been to play Balta there as well.
Two young talls would have been more than enough imo to go with the other three young talls we already had along with the three mature players. If any thing a case could be made to target a good mature kpf.
We currently have 9 potential key forwards 10 if lets say Smillie ends up being one just as many as we have mids. No problems with numbers way too many if anything and Armstrong and say Shanahan would help address the quality aspect.

If people are thinking Lalor, Smillie, and Hotton go even close to fixing our mid numbers i say they need to think again.They do help with quality but we sure as hell could have done with proably four more mids and another helping of quality. Injecting pace thru the midfield is also a priorty still.

To be honest im not sure taking a player we probably rate lower than others just because we think they won't get to our next pick is the way to be going. What was wrong with best available in this case.

Personally i would have been rapt to go into next year with the following
KPF - Lynch, Kossie, Lefau Fawcett, Bauer Gray, Armstrong and Shanahan/Whitlock. Thats 5 kids with 3 mature bodies.

A midfield group consisting of Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Ross mature types, McAuliffe, Lalor, Reid, Smillie, Allan, Hotton, Dow and Sonsie plus your wings running types. Again a damn good case could be made for drafting or trading for a mature mid or two.

With just two current nd picks for next year maybe that is the path they will take.

At the end of the day all it means is me and some others would have prefered we do things just a little bit different to what the club did. There is no reason to get upset about it because it differs to what the club did. At the end of the day its just an opinion.There is no right or wrong in this imo.
We got a bunch of kids and all in their own way look like good kids.

Smillie has played KPD and Tom Brown has got taller so they say


I would start with a Trainor Smillie Tom Brown half back line in reserves and Tom Brown and or Trainor can assist at CHB with others supporting when Smillie goes up the ground

 

[DickieKnee]

yeah nah, you overrate our midfield I think

to me we cannot win a lot going forward unless we need to be a lot stronger in the midfield meaning if good enough the 2 first rounders next year are most likely midfield, but if better players are available in different positions we may have to wait.

Hopefully Kane has a big year but it is what and see who develops

It all depends on what our list delivers next year before we decide which players we will draft next year. Hopefully one or two mods step up, likewise 1 or 2 kpfs step up. It 2 of the talls set the world on fire doubt we would recruit another 2 KPPS next draft.

 

[Barnzy]

I saw in an interview today Murphy Reid said we were very interested in him at pick 11 (Faull pick). When we didn't pick him that's why he slid a bit. Very specific thing to say.

Just for context, sounds like if it wasn't Faull it would've been him not a Berry or anyone else.

 

[Coach_Required]

I saw in an interview today Murphy Reid said we were very interested in him at pick 11 (Faull pick). When we didn't pick him that's why he slid a bit. Very specific thing to say.

Just for context, sounds like if it wasn't Faull it would've been him not a Berry or anyone else.

TBH sounds like M.Reid is a bit of a sook. Wont last at Freo, reckon he will want a trade back to Victoria in a few years.

 

[tigs2010]

TBH sounds like M.Reid is a bit of a sook. Wont last at Freo, reckon he will want a trade back to Victoria in a few years.

Think we are dead to the family so won't be to us. If he sooks it up for 2 years happy to take him with a later pick

 

[Coach_Required]

Think we are dead to the family so won't be to us. If he sooks it up for 2 years happy to take him with a later pick

Smells of a Carlton or Essendon type of player.

 

[Barnzy]

TBH sounds like M.Reid is a bit of a sook. Wont last at Freo, reckon he will want a trade back to Victoria in a few years.

The long hair and headband does scream a bit of pretentious look at me type

 

[tiger_tough]

It's not ironic. Stop trying to sound smart.

It is coming from you.

 

[tigs2010]

It is coming from you.

What he meant was there is no pre-defined order except Jagga isn't going #1

 

[tiger_tough]

What he meant was there is no pre-defined order except Jagga isn't going #1

And FOS is going #1.

 

[4tune8]

Where they were picked means nothing now , These kids were picked at their picks because we rated them at that pick
Not sure what the whole D!ck measuring is all about

Comes from those having mini dicks

 

[richoatthedisco]

I'm also not sure about this story that is gaining traction that we took a player before players we rated higher. I think that's complete nonsense. People just preferred a different player at the pick because the guy we picked was picked later in some mock drafts.

The only pick we might have was Trainor, knowing Sydney were interested and that Armstrong would get to our next pick.

 

[4tune8]

List needs. To address them you need just two things imo. Enough for both teams including development. Enough quality for each need at varying stages of development. Pretty simple really.

My biggest concern was pace in the midfield and flanks and the horrible lack of mids in numbers.
Taking just three mids was never going to address this. In fact we only got the midfield numbers back to where they were at the start of the footy season and that was totally inadequate to start with. Imo of course.

Lets use Kpd as a list need or was it.

Numbers before the draft started. - Gibcus, Balta, Miller, Blight, Young definates with potential numbers in Bauer, Gray and Koschitzke. Quite clearly there was no numbers need and we had quality in Gibcus and Balta.
We can now add Trainor to that list. With him there we can now possibly say we have future quality covered but there are never any certs with any pick thats the outlier..

Was it a need? well it was not an immediate one imo. Far more pressing needs than drafting another kpd.
Quality and numbers was 95% covered.

Take the tall forwards a slightly different out look.

Numbers on the list before the draft. Lynch who we need to replace because of age, Kossie still only 24, Lefau 26yo, Mature bodies but the question over quality especially once Lynch is gone.
Then we had young tall forwards in Fawcett, Gray and Bauer. With these three it made for very good numbers but the question was about quality. The option has been to play Balta there as well.
Two young talls would have been more than enough imo to go with the other three young talls we already had along with the three mature players. If any thing a case could be made to target a good mature kpf.
We currently have 9 potential key forwards 10 if lets say Smillie ends up being one just as many as we have mids. No problems with numbers way too many if anything and Armstrong and say Shanahan would help address the quality aspect.

If people are thinking Lalor, Smillie, and Hotton go even close to fixing our mid numbers i say they need to think again.They do help with quality but we sure as hell could have done with proably four more mids and another helping of quality. Injecting pace thru the midfield is also a priorty still.

To be honest im not sure taking a player we probably rate lower than others just because we think they won't get to our next pick is the way to be going. What was wrong with best available in this case.

Personally i would have been rapt to go into next year with the following
KPF - Lynch, Kossie, Lefau Fawcett, Bauer Gray, Armstrong and Shanahan/Whitlock. Thats 5 kids with 3 mature bodies.

A midfield group consisting of Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Ross mature types, McAuliffe, Lalor, Reid, Smillie, Allan, Hotton, Dow and Sonsie plus your wings running types. Again a damn good case could be made for drafting or trading for a mature mid or two.

With just two current nd picks for next year maybe that is the path they will take.

At the end of the day all it means is me and some others would have prefered we do things just a little bit different to what the club did. There is no reason to get upset about it because it differs to what the club did. At the end of the day its just an opinion.There is no right or wrong in this imo.
We got a bunch of kids and all in their own way look like good kids.

A very long winded ramble, basically saying Blair did good.

This is just the second step, we had 5 picks inside 30 3 years ago. A couple more next year and look out.

I too would have loved having Lindsay, Berry and Oliver, they were the best kicks of the crop.

We'll round out the list over the next couple of years and will be a force sooner rather than later

 

[richoatthedisco]

And FOS is going #1.

I never said FOS was going 1, I said he should. And that we shouldn't touch Crabba Smiff with a barge pole.

 

[Coach_Required]

I never said FOS was going 1, I said he should. And that we shouldn't touch Crabba Smiff with a barge pole.

This is 100% true as I spent the whole draft period baiting RATD.
The bloke never budged though, if anything knowing FOS wasn't going 1 he wanted us to trade 6 and 21 for pick 2.

 

[nugget_12]

I get why people are upset at reaching for Faull at [emoji637][emoji640] but to me I look at it as we would’ve been stoked if we picked Armstrong at [emoji637][emoji640] and Faull at [emoji638][emoji639] so I choose not to let it bother me.

Both players end up at Richmond just picked jn a different way.

 

[tiger_tough]

I never said FOS was going 1, I said he should. And that we shouldn't touch Crabba Smiff with a barge pole.

You said heaps of stuff as if it was fact. sit down.

 

[richoatthedisco]

You said heaps of stuff as if it was fact. sit down.

 

[Sir_Loin]

TBH sounds like M.Reid is a bit of a sook. Wont last at Freo, reckon he will want a trade back to Victoria in a few years.

Already sitting in the change rooms with his Richmond onesie

 

[tiger_tough]

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