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Hot Topic Michael Voss - Coaching in 2026. Should he remain beyond that?
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IMO if we get in a "big fish" we need less roles rather than more. Eg if you get a really experienced senior assistant you don't need a head of coaching or a mentor (got to consider the soft cap too)
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We were 2nd. Then fell HARD. Then we were reliant on Port to beat Freo to make 8th. So yes, we fell in. Not too interested where we were all year- the season is long and tough. We weren't consistent enough to remain top 4 and that's not good enough. And we have seen this shit time and time again with this team.
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so just a few minor tweaks required then?
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In fairness this thread was locked so we could revel in afterglow of a win against the Eagles. Just took a while to open it up again.No surprise coaches threads are top
of the pops after a loss. So reactive, this industry is.
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I just checked the voting results for preferred coaches up top...
I see simpson is in second place after longmire...
I really dont think simpson is the right sort of coach for our team..
We need a longmire type - someone who can nuture the players but at the same time demand respect
I see simpson is in second place after longmire...
I really dont think simpson is the right sort of coach for our team..
We need a longmire type - someone who can nuture the players but at the same time demand respect
Changing Coaches won't make any difference imo ... it hasn't and won't.
There needs to be a ruthless Independent assessor to analyze the Club from top to bottom, make recommendations where they are all adopted with no exceptions. This assessor needs to be a former Coach who knows and has won multiple AFL Premierships ... cause only they know exactly what it takes.
It would take Carlton time to make Top 4 ... make a Grand Final and then actually win one.
It will be sad to see Patrick Cripps now 30 ... with 2 Brownlows and being Captain ... most likely will never get to lead his team to a Grand Final victory. His time will run out ... sadly.
There needs to be a ruthless Independent assessor to analyze the Club from top to bottom, make recommendations where they are all adopted with no exceptions. This assessor needs to be a former Coach who knows and has won multiple AFL Premierships ... cause only they know exactly what it takes.
It would take Carlton time to make Top 4 ... make a Grand Final and then actually win one.
It will be sad to see Patrick Cripps now 30 ... with 2 Brownlows and being Captain ... most likely will never get to lead his team to a Grand Final victory. His time will run out ... sadly.
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Agreed.
The appointment of Wright is a good first step at least as it’s a prioritisation of football experience over commercial experience. We’re no longer lacking on the commercial side as we were in the early 2000s, but we are severely lacking on the football side which is and always will be our core business.
The next move which is obvious and long overdue is to replace Lloyd as Head of Football. I’ve made my views clear on him in other threads but the crux of it is he’s been in the role since August 2018 and the football department has performed poorly during the period despite changing personnel (senior coaches, assistants, recruiters, players, etc.). At some point (which should have been years ago), you’ve got to fall on your sword as head of the department when it consistently underperforms.
The rest of the decisions (list manager, senior coach, assistants, etc.) flow from there but there’s no way these decisions can be made by Lloyd given his track record. We need decisive action to address the root causes of our issues. Wright is hopefully our man alongside a hand-picked new Head of Football.
Comparisons between the Teague era and the Voss era as a few are making here are just a tad disingenuous.
We have changed half our list in the four drafts since Teague and added the likes of Hewitt, Cerra, Motlop, Acres, O Hollands, E Hollands, Cowan, Carroll, White and Haynes. All are currently best 22. Add Charlie to that list who was virtually unsighted during Teagues tenure and it's hardly a fair comparison.
In Voss's 3 years we have won two Coleman medals, two Brownlows and have had 4 different players selected in the AA team.
IMO the above group added to the likes of Cripps, Harry, Weightering, TDK, Saad, Williams (when fit), Doc, JSOS and Walsh should be performing far better and far more consistently than it currently is.
Personally I've never thought that Voss is a good coach but I was forced to eat some humble pie when he, or some other trigger, turned it around two years ago. I don't think we should sack him now, he may turn it around again because I think the list is there to do it but if we fail to make the finals this season things have to change (as many are saying) and the coach should be the first of those things.
To expect different results from the same actions is just insanity.
We have changed half our list in the four drafts since Teague and added the likes of Hewitt, Cerra, Motlop, Acres, O Hollands, E Hollands, Cowan, Carroll, White and Haynes. All are currently best 22. Add Charlie to that list who was virtually unsighted during Teagues tenure and it's hardly a fair comparison.
In Voss's 3 years we have won two Coleman medals, two Brownlows and have had 4 different players selected in the AA team.
IMO the above group added to the likes of Cripps, Harry, Weightering, TDK, Saad, Williams (when fit), Doc, JSOS and Walsh should be performing far better and far more consistently than it currently is.
Personally I've never thought that Voss is a good coach but I was forced to eat some humble pie when he, or some other trigger, turned it around two years ago. I don't think we should sack him now, he may turn it around again because I think the list is there to do it but if we fail to make the finals this season things have to change (as many are saying) and the coach should be the first of those things.
To expect different results from the same actions is just insanity.
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The playing group is better and performing better no doubt but is the club being run well, is the recruitment team working well? Is the coaching group up to standards? The head coach?
We should be a better team than under Teague, he was coach 5 years ago, as the group matures in age and experience, results should improve.
The question should be, with the list we have, should we be doing better? My answer is that other than 2023, our finishing position the other two years has been below what it should and same goes for this year.
We are talking effort and standards. Talent means nothing
I reckon let Wright do both job's(CEO and Head of Footy), seems a shame to limit a bloke with his background to endless board meetings and long lunches.
With respect do you really think efforts and standards have improved very much?
Not sure that results really indicate that and talent is fairly important.
Not by a lot but they have and I don’t see what talent has to do with effort or standards
Got a lot to do with results though, or should have at least.
I want winners not losers
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Yeap - look at filths team ...they dont really have the Cripps H and Charlies with Brownlow and Coleman medals but they all do their part in the team - and are very effective.
Id much rather a well functioning team than a team with individual brilliance.
BTW Soap, we were told by the Sayers review that the players were deeply dissatisfied with Teague so I think we should quite reasonably have been expecting a significant improvements in efforts and standards when he got the chop.
Has it been significant?
I personally don't think so.
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What happens if we blow the soft cap for a couple of years to get good development into players? What do we need profits for?
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I'd like the players to be asked their thoughts on Voss atm by Wright and Co. Teague's caretaker role, everyone on the list was on the Teague train and eventually they knew he was a dud.
Now that Voss' honeymoon period is well and truly over and by the end of this season we effectively have a 100 game sample views by all staff under him need to be assessed.
Like we do with lists, we keep trying to see if we can make it better with behind the scenes moves and asks. I'd hope someone is talking to Longmire or other highly rated potential coaches.
No big deal in itself.
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Let's see what happens this weekend. Players on notice mentally and Vossy tactically. Vossy actually accountable for both as head coach.
By far the biggest problem with the club culture right now is the the supporters imo
Instead of supporting the club we are collectively as fickle as the wind. Our whole Bigfooty board is filled with people 'demanding success' and telling us the team 'should' be playing better. Every loss this thread blows up and people want to sack everyone from the President to the bootstrapper just because we had a slow start to the year. And yet we barely even recognise what success looks like at this point.
Voss took over coaching the club in 2022. He took over a team that hadn't made finals in a decade, hadn't made a preliminary final in two decades. 18 months later this thread pops up after... our best season in 10 years? At the time fans were hounding the players race and abusing players, openly calling for Voss to be sacked everywhere in sight. That team went on to make the preliminary final, our best result in 23 years. Two years later and here we are again, openly calling for our most successful coach this millenium to be sacked because... we lost a road game on a 6 day break to Adelaide?
Our supporters are a problem right now. Every loss SEN make a big deal of the 'crazy Carlton fans' that ring up to rant and rave and demand everyone gets sacked. Half the supporters (online, on radio, at games) seem more engaged when we are losing and they can vent. Our post-match threads are longer after losses, and even our victory threads contain their share of the inevitable 'drop whipping boy X'.
It's noticeable at the games, too. I'm an MCC member and it is noticeably bad at our games compared with other big teams. When Collingwood were 3 goals down to Geelong, their fans energised, and their crowd is actually insane right now - the sense of belief and energy is palpable (as is the 'Collingwood' chant - it is like being at a big soccer match). When Collingwood get even a sniff of being on top the crowd at the MCG sucks the life out of the venue and makes it almost impossible for the other team to function. We are the complete opposite. Against Geelong we were 5 goals up and they kicked a goal - you could feel 50,000 collective buttholes tightening and the atmosphere immediately darkened. The Richmond game was even worse. We barely applauded our goals in the first half, and then the reaction to every mistake in the second, and the general sense of disaster... you could see it in the players eyes, they were terrified of making a mistake.
Every club has nuffies, but our crowd culture is bad right now. We can talk about 'culture' all we want but it seems a bit rich to be talking that way at the same time as we're taking potshots at everyone involved in the club and dmeanding they get sacked. That's not what good culture looks like, and the club can't act in a bubble.
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I differ from this view.
I think the club has let down the supporters for a long time now and its playing out as very frustrating (frustrating if the game means a lot to you personally; not much if the game/club means less to you or light entertainment).
This view is debatable and hard to measure and a lot of who is right depends on your rating of the club personnel. From 2005-2013 i didnt think the club had anything like a squad of players that could achieve anything so i didnt really have a strong negative view on the club; just maybe that Hughes was underperforming.
Fast forward to this build and squad i think Curnow, Mckay, TDK, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Saad, Weitering, soon to be JSoS; sometimes Acres form a backbone that is based on a VERY STRONG core.
Based on my rating, i believe the club are screwing up generational talent bigtime and heading for a massive fail. Some supporters are nuffies and angry over week to week losses....other supporters see a horizon that doesnt look too rosy right now based on age profiling and lack of salary cap space. The anger is split across two camps there and getting mixed up.
The view you take is important context for this overall point. How hard you look at something and how critical you are. Dunstall for the Hawks back pre-clarkson took the hardest view and set them up with brutal decisions. A softer view for mine gets you nowhere and it is where we are stuck. A softer view across coaching and players and list mgmt. Leaves us mid table and the inevitable aging our key players into their 30s.
There have been quite a few notable posters on this forum who have been half glass full posters over 10 years who now see a potential horizon that might be horrific....nothing about week to week losses. More about list/cap projections and where we stand with players and the ALL important transition plan this club is 'currently' implementing.
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But see I think this exemplifies what I'm talking about (and I've been guilty of this in the past a lot.. it isn't a personal criticism).
We've all been frustrated at times. It's been a long haul, and we've had some very tough years. That's just a fact.
But I genuinely think as supporters we have forgotten what success looks like.
That group of Curnow/McKay/TDK/Cripps/Walsh/Cerra/Saad/Weitering has been together effectively since 2018 and had three coaches. In that time, they've never won more than 13 games in a season. We have had a couple of nice patches of form, even fluked a prelim final (beating a better opponent) in 2023.
But what evidence is there that is a 'very strong core'? We have 7 years of evidence in a range of contexts that suggests it's... fine? Maybe slightly above average - certainly seems to have peaked as a team that sits somewhere between 5th and 12th depending on form/confidence/injury, but always a step behind the contenders. But generational talent? Come on.
And that's fine, it is a huge step up from where we were. But there are tiers of success, and I feel like any time we get even a whiff that something is building we flip so fast across to 'we should win the premiership' that it sets up inevitable frustration when we don't.
Now we're in a year where we are clearly resetting things a bit - we've had a lot of player turnover, we're carrying more young guys on the list than a contender might, but also bringing some parts of the game together in different ways. A realistic aim this year might be to blood a bunch of young guys, find good form and confidence and just stabilise somewhere between 8th and 12th. That will inevitably mean we probably win half our games and lose half, and some of those won't be great losses. Ok, but that is where we are at.
Surely the hope is that for the first time in two decades we can have a bit of stability and manage the transition from one generation to the next gracefully, without panic? When things looked a wee bit similar in 2012 under Ratten (great group of players but not able to get to the next level) we panicked, brought in Malthouse, made a bunch of stupid decisions (Betts out, Thomas in) and ended up with a horizon that was 'horrific'.
Perhaps just once we should aim for a bit of stability. There's a transition already under way, and we need some courage to stick it out and give Voss a fair shot. Collingwood had a similar year a while back, made some tough list decisions to free up cap flexibility, but importantly they held things together and bounced back pretty quickly. That has to be our goal - back the club and coach, see things through and try to hold a bit of dignity for once (rather than microwaving our memberships, hurling abuse at players, etc)
