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[HeathySure]

Why would our game style effect the free kicks received total? All clubs are essentially out there trying to do the same things.

But even so, Richmond's game style has since changed and is now not so distinctive....

Richmond average free kicks received by year:

2025 18th
2024 18th
2023 18th
2022 17th(18th for differential)
2021 18th

How do you think you would handle the Magpies copping that umpiring?

Because free kicks are over rated? A free that there but not given is just as bad as a free that was given wrongly. What are you stats up until 2016 where you basically played ring a rosie in the backline and you couldnt win a game. That could tell the story

 

[HeathySure]

Got Geelong over the line?! Ahahahahaha right-o

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Thats hte only game i didnt see in years because i had family emergencies but that's what neutral supporters told me. I don't particularly care if that was the reason or not but if anyone thinks that umpires are biased against their side they are kidding themselves. Umps do their job to the best of their ability, its up to the rules board to get them to actually enforce the rules though. You won't but go watch the Demons Pies game again and just look in the background where Daicos is. He was held basically at every single stoppage

 

[Chronz]

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Thats hte only game i didnt see in years because i had family emergencies but that's what neutral supporters told me. I don't particularly care if that was the reason or not but if anyone thinks that umpires are biased against their side they are kidding themselves. Umps do their job to the best of their ability, its up to the rules board to get them to actually enforce the rules though. You won't but go watch the Demons Pies game again and just look in the background where Daicos is. He was held basically at every single stoppage

Don't get ensnared in Rusey and flogger's web of bait posts, they're winding you up. Just tell call them campaigners and tell 'em to gagf.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Don't get ensnared in Rusey and flogger's web of bait posts, they're winding you up. Just tell call them campaigners and tell 'em to gagf.

What if frggr and I point blank refuse to gagf?

 

[Footy Is Good]

Why would our game style effect the free kicks received total? All clubs are essentially out there trying to do the same things.

But even so, Richmond's game style has since changed and is now not so distinctive....

Richmond average free kicks received by year:

2025 18th
2024 18th
2023 18th
2022 17th(18th for differential)
2021 18th

How do you think you would handle the Magpies copping that umpiring?

Eat shit

 

[Footy Is Good]

What if frggr and I point blank refuse to gagf?

 

[Chronz]

It took me ages this time to achieve getting banned from the boring Daicos thread, was a real drag.

Please don't tell me you are still participating in that thread. Nobody goes there any more, it is way too crowded.

I got shadowbanned in the fred by some main bored flogmod. Looks like I'll wait for part 3.

 

[RCAB]

I got shadowbanned in the fred by some main bored flogmod. Looks like I'll wait for part 3.

It would have been Carlton supporters reporting you, they currently have a posse of the biggest snowflakes in this site.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

The run Richmond has had in terms of free kicks received as detailed in posts above looks extremely(and I mean extremely extremely) improbable though, or am I imagining that?

Team finishes:

2025 18th
2024 18th
2023 18th
2022 17th(18th for differential)
2021 18th

for free kicks received. Oh yeah, happens all the time, nothing odd about that.

Nothing odd about it, nothing interesting about it. What are the odds of a team finishing 14th, 5th, 11th, 9th, 17th consecutively in FKF? As far as I can recall from high school (1/18)^5. Wow, it's a really small number, amazing. It doesn't tell me anything in the least bit interesting.

You need to tell me something more than this is the probability of this event (which is not actually random) occurring if it was actually random. Did you play teams twice that have low FKA? Did certain umpires pop up repeatedly in games where you had low FKF? Is the difference even meaningful, is it like only 100 FK difference between 1st and 18th? Why do we even care about FKF, what about FKA or FK differential?

It's like this stupid thread, the germ of a good idea wasted in pursuit of an acronym joke. You're stuck in this imaginary world of "maximum discrepancies" because when you look at the knowable it says the opposite of what you want.

Here's a question for you, how many times in the history of the AFLCA award has one coach given a player 5 votes and the other coach given them zero? I don't know the answer beyond at least once, when Carlton played Collingwood R21 last year and Daicos got 5 votes (2 votes in Brownlow).

That was the most interesting discrepancy that came out of this thread, but of course it shows Daicos as the victim and the opposition coach as the villain. If Cripps had won the AFLCA award last year, Voss would have got a lot of attention for the votes in that game and robbing Daicos of the award for Cripps's benefit.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Nothing odd about it, nothing interesting about it. What are the odds of a team finishing 14th, 5th, 11th, 9th, 17th consecutively in FKF? As far as I can recall from high school (1/18)^5. Wow, it's a really small number, amazing. It doesn't tell me anything in the least bit interesting.

You need to tell me something more than this is the probability of this event (which is not actually random) occurring if it was actually random. Did you play teams twice that have low FKA? Did certain umpires pop up repeatedly in games where you had low FKF? Is the difference even meaningful, is it like only 100 FK difference between 1st and 18th? Why do we even care about FKF, what about FKA or FK differential?

It's like this stupid thread, the germ of a good idea wasted in pursuit of an acronym joke. You're stuck in this imaginary world of "maximum discrepancies" because when you look at the knowable it says the opposite of what you want.

Here's a question for you, how many times in the history of the AFLCA award has one coach given a player 5 votes and the other coach given them zero? I don't know the answer beyond at least once, when Carlton played Collingwood R21 last year and Daicos got 5 votes (2 votes in Brownlow).

That was the most interesting discrepancy that came out of this thread, but of course it shows Daicos as the victim and the opposition coach as the villain. If Cripps had won the AFLCA award last year, Voss would have got a lot of attention for the votes in that game and robbing Daicos of the award for Cripps's benefit.

Of course any set of random finishing positions has an extremely low probability, but you don't get it.

This is like Shane Warne's personal private secretary having the winning ticket in an 18 ticket raffle 5 times in succession where the prize is a luxury car and the raffle is being run by his charity foundation.

The odd thing is the numbers do not look random because they are fully weighted to one end of the spectrum of expected results - that is the whole point. The results are clearly being influenced by something. They must have failed to teach you that at High School probability CM.

If you have a 1 in 18 chance of being breathalysed each time you drive your car....at what point of being consecutively pulled over and breathalysed each time you drive do you start thinking, hang on, the cops may be harassing me here? Or would you just say well they can't be harassing me because everybody else may not get breathalysed every time they leave the house but all these other 1 in 18 type things are happening to them, they are going to the supermarket, the beach, to watch the footy etc, a magpie flies past them, and so on.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Of course any set of random finishing positions has an extremely low probability, but you don't get it.

This is like Shane Warne's personal private secretary having the winning ticket in an 18 ticket raffle 5 times in succession where the prize is a luxury car and the raffle is being run by his charity foundation.

The odd thing is the numbers do not look random because they are fully weighted to one end of the spectrum of expected results - that is the whole point. The results are clearly being influenced by something. They must have failed to teach you that at High School probability CM.

If you have a 1 in 18 chance of being breathalysed each time you drive your car....at what point of being consecutively pulled over and breathalysed each time you drive do you start thinking, hang on, the cops may be harassing me here? Or would you just say well they can't be harassing me because everybody else may not get breathalysed every time they leave the house but all these other 1 in 18 type things are happening to them, they are going to the supermarket, the beach, to watch the footy etc, a magpie flies past them, and so on.

Well, I'm not a tuggers supporter so I'm not a professional victim. It is not my default in life to assume that I am being harassed or victimised. I would just make relevant enquiries to understand what is going on. I generally find that works out better for me than immediately reaching for the tinfoil hat and assuming I am at the centre of some sort of grand conspiracy.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Well, I'm not a tuggers supporter so I'm not a professional victim. It is not my default in life to assume that I am being harassed or victimised. I would just make relevant enquiries to understand what is going on. I generally find that works out better for me than immediately reaching for the tinfoil hat and assuming I am at the centre of some sort of grand conspiracy.

Lol, heard it all before. Of course if North finished 18th on the free kick ladder 5 consecutive seasons you would not suspect any bias because you are too noble and practical for that. Wouldn't the world be a much better place if everybody was like you CM.

Holding onto things you value in life must be a breeze once you turn your suspicion sensors to the nil setting. Do you mind if I borrow your car, your documents, your wife, your property title, your investments for a bit, I wouldn't do anything untoward with them, I cannot believe you would even think such a thing CM.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Lol, heard it all before. Of course if North finished 18th on the free kick ladder 5 consecutive seasons you would not suspect any bias because you are too noble and practical for that. Wouldn't the world be a much better place if everybody was like you CM.

Holding onto things you value in life must be a breeze once you turn your suspicion sensors to the nil setting. Do you mind if I borrow your car, your documents, your wife, your property title, your investments for a bit, I wouldn't do anything untoward with them, I cannot believe you would even think such a thing CM.

If North were 18th on the free kick ladder, my first thought would be our players are so shit, giving away a shit-tonne of free kicks is part of that shitness. Or from the FKF perspective - can't stick tackles, always second to the ball.

I'd lend you my car if you were in a pickle, but I don't really see how being gullible follows from not being a conspiracy theory cooker. As it turns out, holding on to the things I value in life has not presented too many issues to me so far, and yet I still tend to take things on face value, look for logical explanations and not assume the whole world or sinister individuals within it have it in for me.

I dunno man, maybe that actually helps me hang on to those things I value like relationships with other human beings.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

If North were 18th on the free kick ladder, my first thought would be our players are so shit, giving away a shit-tonne of free kicks is part of that shitness. Or from the FKF perspective - can't stick tackles, always second to the ball.

I'd lend you my car if you were in a pickle, but I don't really see how being gullible follows from not being a conspiracy theory cooker. As it turns out, holding on to the things I value in life has not presented too many issues to me so far, and yet I still tend to take things on face value, look for logical explanations and not assume the whole world or sinister individuals within it have it in for me.

I dunno man, maybe that actually helps me hang on to those things I value like relationships with other human beings.

Lol, you wouldn't make much of a detective CM.

As a Richmond supporter living through the last 9 years(when we were both the best and now near the worst team in the comp and other stations in between within the period) I first started noticing the umpiring didn't seem normal when watching our games in about 2018. Like, all footy fans feel their team should get more favourable treatment from the umps and I am no exception. But this was different to that. It didn't feel right or normal, it felt systematically biased against Richmond. Then over time, the free kick statistics are showing very unusually bad free kick outcomes over that whole intervening period. Like the worst in the AFL by a further distance than the second worst is below average.

So you try to do the right thing, keep an open mind and think, well, maybe we are a bit sloppy and give away more free kicks than other teams for some reason specific to the way we play. That is possible. And it is probably what happened to some extent for some of those years.

But this doesn't explain why Richmond's opponents should magically give away less free kicks against Richmond than they do against other teams over such an extended period when the Tigers have been both good bad and indifferent. That requires some other explanation, wouldn't you agree? What do you think could be on the brainstormed list to possibly explain that?

Richmond aren't as good at drawing the umpires attention to infringements against them? This boils down to a form of umpire bias if true.

Opposition teams make a special effort to play within the rules just against Richmond but not against other teams?

Random forces have meant Richmond keeps tragically falling just short of the standard for a free kick to be awarded way more often than other teams?

Umpires are for some reason, consciously or otherwise, biased against Richmond over that period?

Do you have any other possible explanations? It can't be the players are not good enough to win free kicks...because the same players were good enough to win 3 flags and a minor premiership within the period. So what could it be Charlie, you tell me.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

It would have been Carlton supporters reporting you, they currently have a posse of the biggest snowflakes in this site.

I think it is you reporting everyone and then blaming mythical "Carlton supporters."

You should take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming others.

 

[HeathySure]

Lol, you wouldn't make much of a detective CM.

As a Richmond supporter living through the last 9 years(when we were both the best and now near the worst team in the comp and other stations in between within the period) I first started noticing the umpiring didn't seem normal when watching our games in about 2018. Like, all footy fans feel their team should get more favourable treatment from the umps and I am no exception. But this was different to that. It didn't feel right or normal, it felt systematically biased against Richmond. Then over time, the free kick statistics are showing very unusually bad free kick outcomes over that whole intervening period. Like the worst in the AFL by a further distance than the second worst is below average.

So you try to do the right thing, keep an open mind and think, well, maybe we are a bit sloppy and give away more free kicks than other teams for some reason specific to the way we play. That is possible. And it is probably what happened to some extent for some of those years.

But this doesn't explain why Richmond's opponents should magically give away less free kicks against Richmond than they do against other teams over such an extended period when the Tigers have been both good bad and indifferent. That requires some other explanation, wouldn't you agree? What do you think could be on the brainstormed list to possibly explain that?

Richmond aren't as good at drawing the umpires attention to infringements against them? This boils down to a form of umpire bias if true.

Opposition teams make a special effort to play within the rules just against Richmond but not against other teams?

Random forces have meant Richmond keeps tragically falling just short of the standard for a free kick to be awarded way more often than other teams?

Umpires are for some reason, consciously or otherwise, biased against Richmond over that period?

Do you have any other possible explanations? It can't be the players are not good enough to win free kicks...because the same players were good enough to win 3 flags and a minor premiership within the period. So what could it be Charlie, you tell me.

Lol, you wouldn't make much of a detective CM.

As a Richmond supporter living through the last 9 years(when we were both the best and now near the worst team in the comp and other stations in between within the period) I first started noticing the umpiring didn't seem normal when watching our games in about 2018. Like, all footy fans feel their team should get more favourable treatment from the umps and I am no exception. But this was different to that. It didn't feel right or normal, it felt systematically biased against Richmond. Then over time, the free kick statistics are showing very unusually bad free kick outcomes over that whole intervening period. Like the worst in the AFL by a further distance than the second worst is below average.

So you try to do the right thing, keep an open mind and think, well, maybe we are a bit sloppy and give away more free kicks than other teams for some reason specific to the way we play. That is possible. And it is probably what happened to some extent for some of those years.

But this doesn't explain why Richmond's opponents should magically give away less free kicks against Richmond than they do against other teams over such an extended period when the Tigers have been both good bad and indifferent. That requires some other explanation, wouldn't you agree? What do you think could be on the brainstormed list to possibly explain that?

Richmond aren't as good at drawing the umpires attention to infringements against them? This boils down to a form of umpire bias if true.

Opposition teams make a special effort to play within the rules just against Richmond but not against other teams?

Random forces have meant Richmond keeps tragically falling just short of the standard for a free kick to be awarded way more often than other teams?

Umpires are for some reason, consciously or otherwise, biased against Richmond over that period?

Do you have any other possible explanations? It can't be the players are not good enough to win free kicks...because the same players were good enough to win 3 flags and a minor premiership within the period. So what could it be Charlie, you tell me.

I askec him to post the free discrepancies pre 2017 when they had a completely different game style but he hasnt done it

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Lol, you wouldn't make much of a detective CM.

As a Richmond supporter living through the last 9 years(when we were both the best and now near the worst team in the comp and other stations in between within the period) I first started noticing the umpiring didn't seem normal when watching our games in about 2018. Like, all footy fans feel their team should get more favourable treatment from the umps and I am no exception. But this was different to that. It didn't feel right or normal, it felt systematically biased against Richmond. Then over time, the free kick statistics are showing very unusually bad free kick outcomes over that whole intervening period. Like the worst in the AFL by a further distance than the second worst is below average.

So you try to do the right thing, keep an open mind and think, well, maybe we are a bit sloppy and give away more free kicks than other teams for some reason specific to the way we play. That is possible. And it is probably what happened to some extent for some of those years.

But this doesn't explain why Richmond's opponents should magically give away less free kicks against Richmond than they do against other teams over such an extended period when the Tigers have been both good bad and indifferent. That requires some other explanation, wouldn't you agree? What do you think could be on the brainstormed list to possibly explain that?

Richmond aren't as good at drawing the umpires attention to infringements against them? This boils down to a form of umpire bias if true.

Opposition teams make a special effort to play within the rules just against Richmond but not against other teams?

Random forces have meant Richmond keeps tragically falling just short of the standard for a free kick to be awarded way more often than other teams?

Umpires are for some reason, consciously or otherwise, biased against Richmond over that period?

Do you have any other possible explanations? It can't be the players are not good enough to win free kicks...because the same players were good enough to win 3 flags and a minor premiership within the period. So what could it be Charlie, you tell me.

What kind of detective are you? If I cared why Richmond finished low on the free kick ladders I would collect the data and probably start by looking at the games with low FKF. I did actually do the basics and check you're claims and you're wrong of course, Richmond are something like 4th or 5th last this year, and the year you said they were 17th they were 16th.
Saying that Richmond consistently finishing low on the FKF table is statistically unlikely and therefore evidence of nefarious agents working to thwart their onfield success is not really any sort of investigation or explanation at all.

 

[Chronz]

What kind of detective are you?

Jacques Clouseau.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Jacques Clouseau.

I feel more like the hapless Chief Inspector Dreyfus dealing with some of the people on here.

 

[FurTheWin]

I feel more like the hapless Chief Inspector Dreyfus dealing with some of the people on here.

Why not just call yourself Serpico, the hero cop fighting a one man crusade against "cORruPtioN"!

Victim level: Legendary

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Why not just call yourself Serpico, the hero cop fighting a one man crusade against "cORruPtioN"!

Victim level: Legendary

I prefer your role tbh. Devoting your life to the noble fight against downtrodden victims.

 

[Chronz]

It would have been Carlton supporters reporting you, they currently have a posse of the biggest snowflakes in this site.

Hello RCAB.
Pot, kettle, black. D/H

 

[RCAB]

Hello RCAB.
Pot, kettle, black. D/H

Someone reported you?

 

[frggr]

Well said, Ross

 

[RCAB]

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Well said, Ross

That did Ross say?