Remove this Banner Ad

Hugh Jackson

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

rainwizard39 said:
Kind of a useless conversation when you’re being dishonest.

Charlie West plays for Collingwood you know that, right? Whitlock was taken higher too.

So we’ve had to recruit all our starting tall defenders from other clubs, all of them debuted within three seasons at other clubs, but we couldn’t try our own? Howard was our last successful tall defender we debuted, and Ken was forced to play him because of Ryder’s ban and Lobbe’s injury. Crazy what happens when you actually give players a go, right?

He’s done the bare minimum debuting players, and I’d bet he’s the worst when it comes to talls, yet you’re so defensive of Ken’s choices.
Click to expand...

So one out of the many named players was not from a rebuilding team. You got me.

It doesn't matter where he was picked, and if it was before or after Whitlock. Tall players take longer to develop typically, and they don't all develop at the same rate. If you can't see the difference in type of player that Whitlock and West are, you're kidding yourself. You also make it sound like he's been racking up the games. He's played one.

I'm defensive of Ken's choices as people are making absurd statements. I'm still yet to be given examples of players that should have been given more opportunities and an explanation as to why they would have made it.

I genuinely can't think of any that I sit back and go "oh, if only this bloke had got more chances, he would be a nailed on starter in our side today"
 
Shaucob_Burjan said:
Seems to have a big quarter and then drops off, hopefully that breakout game is coming
Click to expand...
Likely a fitness issue. As someone else said in this thread earlier, it's not surprising given his injury issues - hasn't had proper pre-seasons and extended playing time etc. And also likely the reason his debut has been delayed until now.
 
Duckimus Prime said:
Sam Hayes played games ahead as the ruck ahead of the Dixon/Finlayson combo.

We only went with the Dixon/Finlayson combo after dropping Hayes, because the team was getting smashed at the stoppages (unless we were playing sides like West Coast).

Some of the commentary in here is weird. We should pump games into the 22 year old Hugh Jackson. But we haven't because Ken Hinkley doesn't play kids he instead of plays guys like Francis Evans (21-22 years old while he was at Port), or Jed McEntee (21-23 years old), or Jackson Mead (who will turn 24 later in the year).

Narkle is older being in his late 20s. But Narkle's SANFL returns were better than the kids and demanded selection ahead of them.

We've even had people on here talking about how Hugh Jackson has been selected on the back of "record low possesions in the SANFL".
Click to expand...
Hayes was never given a decent go. Terrible development of that player.

Francis Evans, Narkle, even Sutcliffe, were never up to scratch, yet were given gold passes right up until being cut.
McEntee getting the games he was give, is beyond a joke.
Recently the same for Meade. Yet we give a few games to Lorenze, who really shows something .... then drop him. I just hope we dont do the same to Jackson.

The use of the term "kids" for me is anyone of our draftee that havent debuted, regardless of age.
 

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

The difference between Hugh and Mead, Narkle, Jed and all the fringies, is that he goes in hard, a bit cleaner, and seems a better 1 on 1 player.

Even the small things like his speed, positioning, makes me think he has a bit more footy IQ.

No doubt fitness is at play and also AFL experience (ie not wasting energy), as he seems more up and about earlier in games.

I like him, and it’s worth seeing what he has got.
 
I'll be glad when Ken finally steps down. At least it will stop this crazy criticism about the DEVELOPMENT of players. Players come into the club as teenagers. Their talent at under 18 may or may not translate into being competent AFL players. Most development coaches teach from very similar playbooks. Ultimately, it is up to the individual to make it or not. Attitude is everything.
I always remember the story of Jason Porplyzia. Drafted as a rookie in 2003 he admitted his attitude was crap and was soon delisted. He returned to West Adelaide and became dedicated enough for the Crows to recruit him again, ultimately becoming an excellent AFL player. Not every player who gets drafted has the right attitude and dedication needed to succeed.
 
Tibbs said:
Hayes was never given a decent go. Terrible development of that player.
Click to expand...
So why hasn't he been picked up by another club? He dominated at SANFL level, played 11 games for us at AFL level.

In contrast, Teakle only played 6 games for us, yet he's been picked up by another club.

If he's so good, why hasn't Hayes been picked up? He's had a full season at VFL level now too, yet nobody wants him.
 
The Hobo said:
So why hasn't he been picked up by another club? He dominated at SANFL level, played 11 games for us at AFL level.

In contrast, Teakle only played 6 games for us, yet he's been picked up by another club.

If he's so good, why hasn't Hayes been picked up? He's had a full season at VFL level now too, yet nobody wants him.
Click to expand...
Why would they. The snafl/wafl/vfl is littered with kids/draftees/players that have been overlooked and then give up, just playing footy for their teams. Many of them above that level, but never given a chance.

That is why clubs like Geelong spend so much time scouring these lower leagues, and find some gems. They pick up a few, but many are also missed.

You asking for names is just moot, because with most, we will never know ... Unless you give them a go!
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Found a player here. Finally over injuries and looks a proper footballer. Pace, smarts, skills and a bit of campaigner,
 

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

The Hobo said:
Tom Cochrane was not an early pick, yet he got games in his first season, and early on as well.
Logan Evans is not an early pick, he came straight in
Liddy (though not young, not an early pick)

Some of the names mentioned did get games and didn't show a whole lot.

Palmer played 3 games, was ok - nothing to suggest he would make it
Pasini was said to be very close prior to doing his knee and never becoming the player we hoped for.
Garner played 4 games, probably the one on the list that may have been able to carve out something of a career, but just never had anything special to differentiate him from the next guy.

Lorenz has had a few games including being played in a final. No doubt he will get some more games, and even if he doesn't - I'm not convinced he's ever going to be any better than Mead. Everyone will scoff, but how often have we overrated our kids on here, only for them to spud it up in the AFL. Looks like he will be a handy player for sure, but not convinced he's going to be a 200 gamer.

Jackson has had all sorts of injury issues over his time, so hard to blame Ken for delaying his introduction into the side. This season is probably the first time he's put a decent run of games together, and no doubt they delayed it a little to make sure his body was right. He's got close to the side a few times in the past, but has always been derailed by injury. The difference between Jackson and every other name on this list is that he's performed when he's had his chance. Everyone else on your list came in, wasn't horrible, but that was about it.

The question isn't "how many went on to stellar careers" - the question is how many even made another AFL list.

Do you really think that scouts from other clubs aren't monitoring all of these guys? They would have eyes on every single player on an AFL list that's not getting games to try and snag a bargain. They would be watching most state games and identifying potential talent. So if nobody has rushed in and grabbed these guys, it suggests that they weren't worth chasing.

They're all decent players, but none were worth persisting with. If they're not getting games, it's because they're probably not ready yet - despite the armchair experts on here suggesting otherwise.
Click to expand...

Probably missed a few but;

Howard, Austin, Palmer, Snelling, Amon, DBJ, Sam Gray, Bonner, Clurey, Atley, Drew, Houston, Colquhoun, Farrell, Garner, Ladhams, Woodcock - all got games either in either their first, second or third year. The highest picks are Clurey, Atley and Drew - the rest are picks 40- to rookie.

He’s also backed in talls like Mitch, Todd and Dante early on.

Maybe he’s given too many to an injured Dixon or Jonas, McEntee, Kane Mitchell, Jake Neade, Sam Gray and Jackson Meade. Maybe we could have seen 4-10 more games from Lorenz, Garner, Palmer, Jackson, Pasini, Hayes, etc. Not sure that 5-10 games would make the difference. Players typically need 50 or so to get up to speed, unless you’re a prodigious talent. I don’t think ten games into Pasini or Hayes have seen either not be delisted and not picked up by another team or obviate our need to bring in Soldo, Sweet, Ratugolea and BZT.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Hugh Jackson

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top