Autopsy Round 19 = Collingwood 78-79 Fremantle

[Exambolor]

Also one thing that was a really good move yesterday, was interchanging Nick and Josh between HB and midfield and having Beau run through more in the middle. Two midfield wildcards for finals + making tagging Nick a lot harder of a task

 

[gouki88]

Howe and Houston the week after as well

And then De Goey… eventually!

 

[Kes1984]

Anyone else feel like they go through the 5 stages of grief when we lose?!
I get stuck on anger for a while!

 

[Pistol Night]

Anyone else feel like they go through the 5 stages of grief when we lose?!
I get stuck on anger for a while!

Angry, drunk, denial, angry, sober?

 

[ksardog]

Membrey: Partner had a baby this week. If she had a baby next week he would have been rested for the Richmond game. These things happen. Our club benefits from great culture - family first - by supporting things like this. We benefit from the great culture. We can’t have it both ways.

Hill: Deemed to be not fit enough to play this week. Needs to build up training loads. We set players up for success.

Frampton still recovering

Houston injured

JDG just coming out of concussion protocols and needs to build training loads

Mitchell was omitted rather than rested

Have I missed any?

why didnt you bother mentioning the players we rested against GC
resting Mihocek , Lipinski and having Pendles as the sub against GC, almost guaranteed cost us that win
bad match ups and poor ball use going into 50 cost us on the weekend

back to my point, we could have had multiple players rested against Richmond while banking the wins against GC and Freo
now we have made our job so much harder to guarantee a top 2 position

 

[ksardog]

Anyone else feel like they go through the 5 stages of grief when we lose?!
I get stuck on anger for a while!

was angry last night, now im just annoyed.
going to be a long week

 

[Pie thon]

We are in our yearly form slump under the McRae system
2022 it was rounds 3-5 & 8-9
2023 rnd 20-23
2024 rnd 0-2 & rnd 16-19

2022 we played Geelong and Brisbane away in rounds 3-5 so you can argue away that slump.
It seems being mentally switched on at such a high level as a collective group is hard to substain for more that 4 months at a time. Looking back at most seasons and you'll see that patten for a few teams each year. It's all part of getting complacent when you are comfortable and studied as being the best.

We just have to ride it out, the boys all get the underdog feeling build up, then get on the same page then start connecting in sync better.
McRae has a consistent record of breaking us out of it and I'll trust in it until the day comes where he loses his grove. (Hopefully in 20-30 years time when he retires as a 10 flag pies legend)
I know fans are annoyed in the resting players too, but I have partially felt more as a gut feeling the slump is partly injuced at this stage of the year to rebuild the mental process of adrenaline, momentum and connection of good form leading into finals, rather than hope it lasts 6 months straight which only the bombers of 2000 have done

 

[Pistol Night]

Crikey the Helen Lovejoys are out for Darcy and Bruz today

 

[No SPIN]

We are two games plus percentage ahead of Geelong in fourth. We play 'finals games' against Brisbane and Adelaide to secure a top two spot.

Geelong have such a soft run that the media will have them as premiership favouites

We have a solid block of finals prep games then sharpen up against Melbourne then a bye
The bye will be important

Then win the three games we've aimed for all year = premiers!

These losses teach us lessons that we need to win the flag

Freo, GC and possibly Hawthorn all playing for finals spots

We are the best team in the comp
Everyone tests themselves against us

FWIW Ive thought all season another Collingwood Brisbane grand final is the outcome so I am looking forward to two weeks time as a prep

Go Pies

I think these losses teach us a lot more, namely the tactics that can hurt us.
So they are gift in our preparation for the finals, as they allow us to develop counter strategies in advance.

 

[Kes1984]

Howe and Houston the week after as well

good because I REALLY want to field our best possible side against Brisbane!

 

[Vicky Park]

Crikey the Helen Lovejoys are out for Darcy and Bruz today

Bruzzy had a game he’d like to forget. But knowing Bruz, he’ll have forgotten it already.

 

[danielnajdek]

good because I REALLY want to field our best possible side against Brisbane!

I’m just over all the managing and resting. I want to see us put our best team out there.

 

[yeah man]

Crikey the Helen Lovejoys are out for Darcy and Bruz today

Absolute sooks. They’ll take any chance to put themselves into a blind rage over a collingwood player. They start to hallucinate things that aren’t even happening just to keep the sweet anger going

 

[Kes1984]

I’m just over all the managing and resting. I want to see us put our best team out there.

me too

I want to be able to trust the process here, and hindsight may show it was the right move when we're fresher in finals, which would be the aim here.

But just feels wrong to be sitting out required players, just to give them a rest, at the expense of winning games now and we still need more wins to qualify for top 4 and then top 2!

 

[stormskye]

Bigfooty needs an “ignore poster after loss” option.

Some absolute comical melts on here after a 1pt loss.

If you hadn’t watched the game or season you’d think we were bottom 4 and got done by 10 goals with our best team on the park.

Posters forget how good this club is atm.

I remember being a kid in high school during the 90’s. That was rough. Shit stirred every week from floggings! My assistant principal only wore his Collingwood jumper on a Monday if we won. Think I saw it 6 times in 4 seasons!

 

[Kes1984]

Bruzzy had a game he’d like to forget. But knowing Bruz, he’ll have forgotten it already.

in all seriousness, I am not sure if he's kicking well since he's come back.
Did he rupture the plantar fascia on his kicking foot? I wonder if it's affected it. He's usually one of the better kicks in the side.

 

[Pistol Night]

in all seriousness, I am not sure if he's kicking well since he's come back.
Did he rupture the plantar fascia on his kicking foot? I wonder if it's affected it. He's usually one of the better kicks in the side.

Put a rock in his boot?

 

[Finnishpie]

Regarding the recent ‘resting’ or management of players (I’m being serious), we’ve taken a risk. Keep playing the older players, or those with a niggle? Or let them rest and recover?

Backfired? Maybe. We’ve lost these last two games by a total of 7 points, although being goalless in the first half against the Suns, or 22 points up in the last versus Freo and still losing would not have been part of the plan. This way of losing will be keeping the coaches awake at night.

Anyway, the point of this post is that I want to make the connection between looking after the players’ welfare, and our much vaunted club culture. We can keep sending players like Checkers out to be battered week on week, or we can give him a rest. The same with Lippa and his niggle, Frampton needing one more week, Membrey and his new baby, and Bobby and his mental health.

It’s 2025 - the players will appreciate this.

And while they may not appreciate losing games as a consequence, when the crunch (or crunches) come in September, players who’ve been looked after will find that extra inch, that extra 1% when needed.

It’s a risk either way, the question is - which is the bigger risk? Or which is the better bet, if you like. Our injured players aren’t all the oldest, but it might be higher had we not managed them. That is to say, I pretty much agree.

 

[Vicky Park]

in all seriousness, I am not sure if he's kicking well since he's come back.
Did he rupture the plantar fascia on his kicking foot? I wonder if it's affected it. He's usually one of the better kicks in the side.

He kicked into his man twice yesterday (that i saw) - very frustrating. He wasn’t happy about it either.

 

[Finnishpie]

Also one thing that was a really good move yesterday, was interchanging Nick and Josh between HB and midfield and having Beau run through more in the middle. Two midfield wildcards for finals + making tagging Nick a lot harder of a task

The coaches took my advice.

 

[ksardog]

me too

I want to be able to trust the process here, and hindsight may show it was the right move when we're fresher in finals, which would be the aim here.

But just feels wrong to be sitting out required players, just to give them a rest, at the expense of winning games now and we still need more wins to qualify for top 4 and then top 2!

im ok with resting players, but do it against far inferior opposition, why do it against a competitor coming towards the finals, why give them belief against us going forward

 

[NeonLeon1]

For me it’s markov. Ok he has speed but his decision making is off. I mean, he seems like a great guy and the team love him but he’s a liability

 

[Kes1984]

He kicked into his man twice yesterday (that i saw) - very frustrating. He wasn’t happy about it either.

yeah that's just sloppy stuff.

But I also think his kicking is off. The plantar fascia supports your foot arch. He'll have lifelong issues now with his foot.

 

[Kes1984]

For me it’s markov. Ok he has speed but his decision making is off. I mean, he seems like a great guy and the team love him but he’s a liability

I think if we could have a do over, we'd have Markov as sub and play WHE a full game. Could have moved him around and tried a few things - see if he could take a few marks i50 like he did when he first came on.

 

[unplugged]

That Sidebottom "block" murdered all momentum. I mean, old mate rolled his ankle and fell over ffs