List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[The Punter]

They are obsessed with us as well. Always the loser club barbs. I have an ongoing cumulative ladder thread I maintain in ChatGPT. This is every clubs win % since the year 2000. So for the last 25 years the only clubs worse than the Blue were expansion clubs. Also, it is not like I cherry picked this data. We were dead last in year 2000 when the data starts.

Cats are miles in front, but only 6 teams with a winning % is interesting. We are roughly 8% better than the Blues, which is statistically significantly over about 500 games.

Dees have also poor for a long time, but snagging 1 flag makes it all worth it.

In summary, Carlton really have been diabolically poor for 2 and half decades. Its a bit rich for a 30 year old to be dishing out smack talk in our direction when all they have know is being diabolically crap.

The big question is, how long to the expansion teams overtake them


EDIT: My initial table was incorrect. It wasn't factoring in GWS and Gold Coast have played less games. GWS have already overtaken them. Glorious.

Rank	Club	Wins	Draws	Losses	Games	Win %
1	Geelong	342	3	207	552	62.1%
2	Sydney Swans	303	4	245	552	55.0%
3	Collingwood	293	3	256	552	53.3%
4	Hawthorn	288	1	263	552	52.6%
5	Port Adelaide	286	1	265	552	52.0%
6	Adelaide	284	1	267	552	51.8%
7	Brisbane Lions	263	5	284	552	47.8%
8	West Coast	256	1	295	552	46.5%
9	Western Bulldogs	252	1	299	552	45.8%
10	Fremantle	245	2	305	552	44.5%
11	St Kilda	238	4	310	552	43.1%
12	North Melbourne	228	4	320	552	41.4%
13	Richmond	212	7	333	552	41.1%
14	Essendon	218	4	330	552	39.5%
15	Melbourne	203	3	346	552	37.0%
16	GWS Giants	116	2	204	322	36.3%
17	Carlton	193	3	356	552	35.4%
18	Gold Coast	86	1	258	345	25.0%

We've played in 7 draws since 2000.

2000 v West Coast
2002 v Sydney
2007 v Western Bulldogs
2010 v Hawthorn
2010 v Collingwood
2011 v Richmond
2018 v Greater Western Sydney

I think those numbers are incorrect.

 

[Joffaboy]

grain of salt

That's the end of that then. Disappointing he didn't use ' at time of writing'

 

[thekizzler]

The Korn being nice to us? Whats going on there.

There speds are just contrarians at any chance they can get.

Because general opinion is the Saints are spending too much money and fans of other clubs are of the opinion that the Saints are desperate, these potatoes just argue the other point.

In saying that though, they are right, for once.

 

[sammm]

Melbourne i

Boyd was a stupid pick up, we were nether in the hunt and Moose had been on the list how long.

Heath is a monster who’s perfectly capable of providing a contest, we’d been using owens for a chop out for gods sake. We hindered Heath’s development and took up a list spot we could have used on any of the players already mentioned.

Big deal now we move on but it was imo a mistake.

Melbourne is looking at Heath

 

[Mystifly]

A bit out there - don't hate on me - but with the loss of Jimmy, I'd like to see Garcia tried as a small defender. IMO he would be more valuable in that position for us than as another mid.
We're thin on other options and will have enough midfield depth.

I like the thinking, but Garcia is a point of difference in our midfield. Left foot, aggressive, quick and excellent inside-out hands. I think Stocker is the Webster replacement, with O'Connell also learning how to be accountable for another player.

 

[Remboy]

Melbourne i

Melbourne is looking at Heath

Straight swap for Trac.

 

[Minga]

Looks like the Blues have delisted Lemmey just for us, how considerate

 

[SainterinSydney]

Looks like the Blues have delisted Lemmey just for us, how considerate

Lemmy have him?

 

[SinCitySainter]

If JSOS rumours are true then we should forget Aleer and go for him. However, I would imagine it would put more pressure on our TPP as he is a free agent and we are up against the Doggies and the Pies. He won't be coming for cheap if he comes as he is after the last big pay day and that is fair enough.

 

[SainterinSydney]

If JSOS rumours are true then we should forget Aleer and go for him. However, I would imagine it would put more pressure on our TPP as he is a free agent and we are up against the Doggies and the Pies. He won't be coming for cheap if he comes as he is after the last big pay day and that is fair enough.

Or maybe he is coming for cheap because SOS had a "talk" with him

 

[Mystifly]

Lemmy have him?

Lemme fantas yas in cotta

 

[holllywood]

Wouldn't it be ironic if St Kilda picked up Harry Lemmey (delisted by Carlton) and he developed into a butter ruck than TDK. Cost nothing and on base salary.

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

Don’t know why Carlton would be so adamant that they won’t trade Curnow.
He’ll be 29 he’s injury prone, he’s disgruntled and their list is cooked anyway. They’re not winning anything during his playing career.

 

[gubby88]

Straight swap for Trac.

and Gawn as the sweetener...they wont need both Gawn AND Heath, surely

 

[kick it lace out]

Or maybe he is coming for cheap because SOS had a "talk" with him

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Or perhaps SOS gets a nice little one off 'bonus payment' while JSOS comes in on the cheap.

 

[SainterinSydney]

and Gawn as the sweetener...they wont need both Gawn AND Heath, surely

Heath for Bailey "Forehead" Fritsch

 

[The Punter]

Heath for Bailey "Forehead" Fritsch

I like it. With Fritsch on the field for every St Kilda game Nas has a permanent step ladder.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Melbourne i

Melbourne is looking at Heath

Good luck to Max but he is never going City grade , he will be spending most of his time trying to win a Maiden at Sale

 

[SinCitySainter]

Heath for Bailey "Forehead" Fritsch

I wouldn't want Fritsch. He looks like Jim Carey and David Lynch's love child.

 

[Riewoldt]

Teenage trio locked in until 2027

Jack Whitlock, Christian Moraes and Tom Cochrane have each signed fresh contract extensions.

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

Plugger Whitlock just re-signed with Port until end of 2027. All ready to go for straight swap with Nas?

 

[SainterinSydney]

Imagine if we also sign JSOS. St Kilda v Carlton will become a new level of rivalry.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Teenage trio locked in until 2027

Jack Whitlock, Christian Moraes and Tom Cochrane have each signed fresh contract extensions.

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

Plugger Whitlock just re-signed with Port until end of 2027. All ready to go for straight swap with Nas?

That's a shame. I really wanted Plugger Whitlock.

 

[Ads734]

Dow is perfect as a depth player.

Except he is always injured…

 

[moirae42]

He destroyed us in this game. Intercept marking, smother, transitioning the ball with ease, great offensive kicking and tough as nails.. Imagine having 2 Wilkie's in our defence.. sign him up... much better than Aleer...

At his best he is a mini Wilkie.

I rate him.

 

[bergholt]

We've played in 7 draws since 2000.

2000 v West Coast
2002 v Sydney
2007 v Western Bulldogs
2010 v Hawthorn
2010 v Collingwood
2011 v Richmond
2018 v Greater Western Sydney

I think those numbers are incorrect.

Yeah I think they're chatgpt numbers - it can't do maths