NOW to sometime later in the year (maybe) - Talk about anything

[localfootylegend23]

Tighten the points ... but that would have to involve AFL Vic growing some cojones. The salary cap becomes immaterial if the points system was applied better as clubs can't buy premierships if the points are set up correctly and they cannot stockpile talent as they cannot play them all. If clubs spend so savagely to risk their future for the sake of chasing a premiership, then they deserve to slide down the divisions when the money runs out as a consequence of their actions.

The key change should be that the "loyalty bonus" be applied after THREE years, not one. Points are supposed to be an equalisation measure but the haves and have nots have barely changed since the current points system was implemented nearly a decade ago.

Clubs at the top end are frequently re-stocking their lists with more ex-AFL and VFL players because they recoup up to six points or more from their recruiting spree the previous year because their six "loyal" recruits stay for a second year. They then get a couple more players the next year with the six points they regained and extend the cycle for another couple of years.

Slash it to 40 points and no 3 year junior 1 pointers.

 

[localfootylegend23]

It was - Outer East appealed the move and it was decided by AFL Vic. OE didn’t make the decision.

Yeah, OE shouldn't be allowed to appeal is more my point sorry. Holding clubs to ransom isn't good business at all I reckon. The league is a joke since the OE rebrand

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Yeah, OE shouldn't be allowed to appeal is more my point sorry. Holding clubs to ransom isn't good business at all I reckon. The league is a joke since the OE rebrand

Get that view but equally, clubs moving leagues does affect everybody - look at Gisborne, they want to move and on balance should be allowed to, but it'll leave the Bendigo league with 7 clubs, which will see it slowly die.

Given the EFNL and OEFL are right on each others doorsteps (and overlap), think you probably need a bit bigger strategy than just individual clubs moving. Do all OE clubs need to come over? Or more of them, leaving only one OE division? I think that's a better way to look at it, the game overall has to come first.

 

[thefunnelweb]

Great move to block it well done to all! Call me old fashioned but the Yarra valley should never of merged with outer east and created their own down fall not up to the eastern football league to fix their shit show!!!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

League medals

Prem
Josh Tovey & Toby Wooller

D1
Mitch Mellis

D2
Tom Smith

D3
Jordan Camilleri

D4
Jake Sticca

 

[Login]

Great signing. Heard they have a couple more aswell

I think they will be very active this summer.

 

[Tackle Bag]

Great move to block it well done to all! Call me old fashioned but the Yarra valley should never of merged with outer east and created their own down fall not up to the eastern football league to fix their shit show!!!

The move to merge the SEFNL with YVMDFL was encouraged by AFL Vic and it has proven to be a disaster.
Where is the plan from AFL vic for the area? We’ve got blurred boundaries between leagues and several clubs in limbo, waiting for a clear direction.

It’s been a decade since the SEFNL imploded and the south east and outer east have been in need of clear direction ever since.

Would be nice to see leadership.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Whether they like it or not, the EFNL have contributed to this decision for Upwey.

The move in isolation might make sense… but perhaps if they hadn’t been so stupidly aggressive in the past in bringing in anybody and everybody - such as Silvan - surrounding leagues might be a bit stronger and moves like this one that make more sense could work for all parties.

Reckon everybody would view a move for Upwey more reasonably if the EFNL hadn’t made stupid moves like Silvan, Oakleigh District, Berwick and Beaconsfield in the past.

 

[Oliver09]

Whether they like it or not, the EFNL have contributed to this decision for Upwey.

The move in isolation might make sense… but perhaps if they hadn’t been so stupidly aggressive in the past in bringing in anybody and everybody - such as Silvan - surrounding leagues might be a bit stronger and moves like this one that make more sense could work for all parties.

Reckon everybody would view a move for Upwey more reasonably if the EFNL hadn’t made stupid moves like Silvan, Oakleigh District, Berwick and Beaconsfield in the past.

Get over Berwick and Beaconsfield.

 

[hotchilli]

League medals

Prem
Josh Tovey & Toby Wooller

D1
Mitch Mellis

D2
Tom Smith

D3
Jordan Camilleri

D4
Jake Sticca

Think that would be Mellis' 3rd League BnF in a row. Pretty impressive effort.

 

[CliffMcTainshaw]

I don't believe that the Box Hill Oval will ever be available. Certainly not next year. The matter below is pretty common in how Whitehorse Council Officers are operating. The communication to all Clubs in Whitehorse is poor and has been for a very long time. Councillor's don't seem to be informed about the actions of Council Officers on most matters and Council Officers don't like to consult, or when they do they try to force their views onto clubs.
From "The Eastern Melbournian"

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Whitehorse Council has admitted it failed to consult all stakeholders before discussing the future management of Box Hill City Oval, with potential decisions set to controversially reshape access agreements between AFL and cricket clubs using the facilities.​

In the council report, staff put forward three options and recommended councillors endorse “Option One”, which would include the Box Hill Hawks Football Club (BHHFC) receiving an annual lease of the new west pavilion and the BHCC only able to access parts of the new facilities five times a year.​

Box Hill Cricket Club (BHCC) representatives hit back at the proposed option being dropped at their feet “at the eleventh hour”, leaving them about two days to discuss their stance.​

According to BHCC life member, Ken Trollope, the club received notice of the council’s recommended motion on the Thursday before the meeting, held the following Monday.​

Trollope said some of the three options “fundamentally change” the club’s usage of the site and it needed a reasonable amount of time to consider its response.​

A joint project between Whitehorse Council, federal and state governments, and AFL Victoria, the $28 million invested into the oval would include reconstruction of the sports field and cricket nets, the demolition and reconstruction of the western pavilion and a refurbishment of the southern pavilion.​

Works are planned to commence in October and be completed in 2027.​

BHCC president Lisa White requested councillors endorse an alternative option, which would allow both the AFL and cricket club to share pavilions via seasonal licences based on their respective seasons.​

She said it was “essential for the survival of the club” that they have “equal access” to the new facilities.​

Councillor Ben Stennett moved to postpone moving forward until the council meeting on Monday October 13, with eight councillors in support and three opposing.​

Whitehorse Council director of community services, Lisa Letic, said the deferral of the decision would have “no material impact on the delivery of the project”.​

In an emotionally charged presentation to the chamber, councillor Peter Allan said he was “white-knuckle ropable” that these options had come before council for approval without consulting with all stakeholders.​

 

[Voice of the G]

I don't believe that the Box Hill Oval will ever be available. Certainly not next year. The matter below is pretty common in how Whitehorse Council Officers are operating. The communication to all Clubs in Whitehorse is poor and has been for a very long time. Councillor's don't seem to be informed about the actions of Council Officers on most matters and Council Officers don't like to consult, or when they do they try to force their views onto clubs.
From "The Eastern Melbournian"

​

Whitehorse Council has admitted it failed to consult all stakeholders before discussing the future management of Box Hill City Oval, with potential decisions set to controversially reshape access agreements between AFL and cricket clubs using the facilities.​

In the council report, staff put forward three options and recommended councillors endorse “Option One”, which would include the Box Hill Hawks Football Club (BHHFC) receiving an annual lease of the new west pavilion and the BHCC only able to access parts of the new facilities five times a year.​

Box Hill Cricket Club (BHCC) representatives hit back at the proposed option being dropped at their feet “at the eleventh hour”, leaving them about two days to discuss their stance.​

According to BHCC life member, Ken Trollope, the club received notice of the council’s recommended motion on the Thursday before the meeting, held the following Monday.​

Trollope said some of the three options “fundamentally change” the club’s usage of the site and it needed a reasonable amount of time to consider its response.​

A joint project between Whitehorse Council, federal and state governments, and AFL Victoria, the $28 million invested into the oval would include reconstruction of the sports field and cricket nets, the demolition and reconstruction of the western pavilion and a refurbishment of the southern pavilion.​

Works are planned to commence in October and be completed in 2027.​

BHCC president Lisa White requested councillors endorse an alternative option, which would allow both the AFL and cricket club to share pavilions via seasonal licences based on their respective seasons.​

She said it was “essential for the survival of the club” that they have “equal access” to the new facilities.​

Councillor Ben Stennett moved to postpone moving forward until the council meeting on Monday October 13, with eight councillors in support and three opposing.​

Whitehorse Council director of community services, Lisa Letic, said the deferral of the decision would have “no material impact on the delivery of the project”.​

In an emotionally charged presentation to the chamber, councillor Peter Allan said he was “white-knuckle ropable” that these options had come before council for approval without consulting with all stakeholders.​

Ask the question.If Premier grand finals are played at non EFNL grounds who runs the bars canteens BBQ,s etc .Happens in other leagues EFL I think who play at Coburg and Essendon VFL grounds.Cliff I have posted before, long term I like East Burwood when the rooms are updated and if Bayswater rooms are not updated.

I wonder if the EFNL season finished 1 week earlier you could play EFNL finals on Ringwood or even Box Hill.

 

[thefunnelweb]

Ask the question.If Premier grand finals are played at non EFNL grounds who runs the bars canteens BBQ,s etc .Happens in other leagues EFL I think who play at Coburg and Essendon VFL grounds.Cliff I have posted before, long term I like East Burwood when the rooms are updated and if Bayswater rooms are not updated.

I wonder if the EFNL season finished 1 week earlier you could play EFNL finals on Ringwood or even Box Hill.

I guess committing to box hill is hard as well for the league because this might be dumb and uneducated I’m sure you will all tell me if that’s the case but if box hill qualify for a home prelim I assume it’s at box hill city oval?
I doubt box hill would say we happy to have our ground churned up on a Saturday and give up an extra days break or home ground advantage just to accommodate efnl

 

[10571z]

I don't believe that the Box Hill Oval will ever be available. Certainly not next year. The matter below is pretty common in how Whitehorse Council Officers are operating. The communication to all Clubs in Whitehorse is poor and has been for a very long time. Councillor's don't seem to be informed about the actions of Council Officers on most matters and Council Officers don't like to consult, or when they do they try to force their views onto clubs.
From "The Eastern Melbournian"

​

Whitehorse Council has admitted it failed to consult all stakeholders before discussing the future management of Box Hill City Oval, with potential decisions set to controversially reshape access agreements between AFL and cricket clubs using the facilities.​

In the council report, staff put forward three options and recommended councillors endorse “Option One”, which would include the Box Hill Hawks Football Club (BHHFC) receiving an annual lease of the new west pavilion and the BHCC only able to access parts of the new facilities five times a year.​

Box Hill Cricket Club (BHCC) representatives hit back at the proposed option being dropped at their feet “at the eleventh hour”, leaving them about two days to discuss their stance.​

According to BHCC life member, Ken Trollope, the club received notice of the council’s recommended motion on the Thursday before the meeting, held the following Monday.​

Trollope said some of the three options “fundamentally change” the club’s usage of the site and it needed a reasonable amount of time to consider its response.​

A joint project between Whitehorse Council, federal and state governments, and AFL Victoria, the $28 million invested into the oval would include reconstruction of the sports field and cricket nets, the demolition and reconstruction of the western pavilion and a refurbishment of the southern pavilion.​

Works are planned to commence in October and be completed in 2027.​

BHCC president Lisa White requested councillors endorse an alternative option, which would allow both the AFL and cricket club to share pavilions via seasonal licences based on their respective seasons.​

She said it was “essential for the survival of the club” that they have “equal access” to the new facilities.​

Councillor Ben Stennett moved to postpone moving forward until the council meeting on Monday October 13, with eight councillors in support and three opposing.​

Whitehorse Council director of community services, Lisa Letic, said the deferral of the decision would have “no material impact on the delivery of the project”.​

In an emotionally charged presentation to the chamber, councillor Peter Allan said he was “white-knuckle ropable” that these options had come before council for approval without consulting with all stakeholders.​

Why did the VAFA use it then? I went fantastic venue

Heard a random pub rumour Sanderson could be on the move to a rival in same division

 

[Voice of the G]

I guess committing to box hill is hard as well for the league because this might be dumb and uneducated I’m sure you will all tell me if that’s the case but if box hill qualify for a home prelim I assume it’s at box hill city oval?
I doubt box hill would say we happy to have our ground churned up on a Saturday and give up an extra days break or home ground advantage just to accommodate efnl

You make sense,I think that happened to East Burwood when they had a home game fixtured for Box Hill and were told a couple of days before that they could not play on the ground.Cliff could perhaps update us on this one.

 

[Voice of the G]

Why did the VAFA use it then? I went fantastic venue

Heard a random pub rumour Sanderson could be on the move to a rival in same division

When did the VAFA use it.Not a great fan of Box Hill,to big for me and you all know I like small grounds with a atmosphere,lol. but would be better then Ringwood.

 

[10571z]

When did the VAFA use it.Not a great fan of Box Hill,to big for me and you all know I like small grounds with a atmosphere,lol. but would be better then Ringwood.

This year for D1 finals. Absolutely fantastic venue with angled raised viewing

 

[Thepigshow]

Ask the question.If Premier grand finals are played at non EFNL grounds who runs the bars canteens BBQ,s etc .Happens in other leagues EFL I think who play at Coburg and Essendon VFL grounds.Cliff I have posted before, long term I like East Burwood when the rooms are updated and if Bayswater rooms are not updated.

I wonder if the EFNL season finished 1 week earlier you could play EFNL finals on Ringwood or even Box Hill.

Do the rooms actually matter?
Not like anyone who pays entry is allowed in them or upstairs

 

[pjxm]

Whether they like it or not, the EFNL have contributed to this decision for Upwey.

The move in isolation might make sense… but perhaps if they hadn’t been so stupidly aggressive in the past in bringing in anybody and everybody - such as Silvan - surrounding leagues might be a bit stronger and moves like this one that make more sense could work for all parties.

Reckon everybody would view a move for Upwey more reasonably if the EFNL hadn’t made stupid moves like Silvan, Oakleigh District, Berwick and Beaconsfield in t

Why did the VAFA use it then? I went fantastic venue

Heard a random pub rumour Sanderson could be on the move to a rival in same division

I heard he is interested in going to East Ringwood, mainly because of their junior programme and strong under19s.

 

[10571z]

I heard he is interested in going to East Ringwood, mainly because of their junior programme and strong under19s.

Correct. That’s the info I recieved

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I don't believe that the Box Hill Oval will ever be available. Certainly not next year. The matter below is pretty common in how Whitehorse Council Officers are operating. The communication to all Clubs in Whitehorse is poor and has been for a very long time. Councillor's don't seem to be informed about the actions of Council Officers on most matters and Council Officers don't like to consult, or when they do they try to force their views onto clubs.
From "The Eastern Melbournian"

​

Whitehorse Council has admitted it failed to consult all stakeholders before discussing the future management of Box Hill City Oval, with potential decisions set to controversially reshape access agreements between AFL and cricket clubs using the facilities.​

In the council report, staff put forward three options and recommended councillors endorse “Option One”, which would include the Box Hill Hawks Football Club (BHHFC) receiving an annual lease of the new west pavilion and the BHCC only able to access parts of the new facilities five times a year.​

Box Hill Cricket Club (BHCC) representatives hit back at the proposed option being dropped at their feet “at the eleventh hour”, leaving them about two days to discuss their stance.​

According to BHCC life member, Ken Trollope, the club received notice of the council’s recommended motion on the Thursday before the meeting, held the following Monday.​

Trollope said some of the three options “fundamentally change” the club’s usage of the site and it needed a reasonable amount of time to consider its response.​

A joint project between Whitehorse Council, federal and state governments, and AFL Victoria, the $28 million invested into the oval would include reconstruction of the sports field and cricket nets, the demolition and reconstruction of the western pavilion and a refurbishment of the southern pavilion.​

Works are planned to commence in October and be completed in 2027.​

BHCC president Lisa White requested councillors endorse an alternative option, which would allow both the AFL and cricket club to share pavilions via seasonal licences based on their respective seasons.​

She said it was “essential for the survival of the club” that they have “equal access” to the new facilities.​

Councillor Ben Stennett moved to postpone moving forward until the council meeting on Monday October 13, with eight councillors in support and three opposing.​

Whitehorse Council director of community services, Lisa Letic, said the deferral of the decision would have “no material impact on the delivery of the project”.​

In an emotionally charged presentation to the chamber, councillor Peter Allan said he was “white-knuckle ropable” that these options had come before council for approval without consulting with all stakeholders.​

Sounds like exactly the way all councils operate with sport…

Council exec have no idea and do what they want, generally making monumentally stupid decisions

Those affected get no say and arc ip

The councillors (who tend to have varying levels of an idea, some absolutely none) sniff the bad attention and get involved all outraged

Hopefully at some stage the right decisions get made, but the time and money wasted is usually massive

The disconnection between elected councillors and council as an organisation is generally quite large

Also too many councillors are in it for the wrong reasons, wanting a stepladder to a political career.

 

[thefunnelweb]

Why did the VAFA use it then? I went fantastic venue

Heard a random pub rumour Sanderson could be on the move to a rival in same division

Just as random at probally at the same pub heard Buckley keen to get him involved in Tasmania if that all goes ahead also

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Fogarty has stepped down at Beaconsfield

 

[good thing]

Correct. That’s the info I recieved

They have appointed someone else

 

[CliffMcTainshaw]

You make sense,I think that happened to East Burwood when they had a home game fixtured for Box Hill and were told a couple of days before that they could not play on the ground.Cliff could perhaps update us on this one.

That's true GMac, we were fixtured to play there in Round 3 on the 26th of April. Box Hill were playing at Wonthaggi on that day, so the ground was free. We were informed on the 23rd. We were told that Box Hill were worried about damage to the ground. Our booking was cancelled and after searching for an alternative venue, eventually the game was played at Central Reserve. There was no other explanation given, but Box Hill's fixture for the following 3 games, were games played at Frankston, then Werribee and then the Gold Coast. You would have thought that was plenty of time for the ground to recover by Box Hill's next game. If the VAFA used it, I would suggest either a Councillor or senior Council Officer has a VAFA connection.