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[Aphrodite]

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[ctwenty1]

If the Eagles get involved then we're going full rebuild and 2026 is going to be bleak.

Some short-term pain is probably necessary, but I'm so ****ing sick of rebuilding.

not necessarily

might just be what is required to get the deal done

 

[ETET]

Some draft capital + Errol Gulden is all I'd be looking at from Sydney.

Warner is a WA flight risk, doubt he wants to come.
Heeney turning 30 next year, doenst fit our profile.
Papley turning 30 next year, plus doesn't want to come.

Not much else I'd even look twice at tbh.

I think Errol is actually worth more than Charlie.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I think we're likely to end up trading the TDK compo back a bit to cover Dean and retain some value (ie. send it to GWS or Adelaide or WC for 13/15/17 and a future first (or second, in WC's case)).

Not sure how fair it is to assess Rogers on stats. He's been the sub in 7 of his 18 games, to start with. And as you've said, he's historically been a mid but at his size kind of needs to find his groove at senior level in the forward line - that's something that takes some adjusting to. Not to mention, as that hybrid type he's probably been used more as a connection between midfield and forward line - something that I reckon is supported by the fact he's got twice as many goal assists as goals. Something like 40% of his disposals lead to scores, he's just not getting much of the pill at this stage.

I just think we could slot him straight into the Fogarty role and come out a long way ahead. And he's one who can absolutely rotate through the odd midfield stoppage and provide that real inside-to-outside dash that we don't have.

Even if we take out his sub games he has 6 goals in 11 games - but the big issue to me is that he isn't just small - he is tiny - it is incredibly hard to make it at AFL level at that size.

If we get everything else we are trying to achieve done and we have a pick around 40 surplus to requirements I would have a crack but otherwise I would back in Motlop, Evans, Williams & White

 

[ESKIE]

Reidy will be on trade radio shortly FYI

 

[Premiership Quarter]

Some draft capital + Errol Gulden is all I'd be looking at from Sydney.

Warner is a WA flight risk, doubt he wants to come.
Heeney turning 30 next year, doenst fit our profile.
Papley turning 30 next year, plus doesn't want to come.

Not much else I'd even look twice at tbh.

The other one that has huge upside is Angus Sheldrick, not the player we need exactly but young and looks very promising. 2 firsts with Hayward and Sheldrick not too bad

 

[Blue and Silver]

Regarding the player who may unlock a trade.

I was thinking that if Sydney doesn't want to trade their names, but are willing to give a lot of picks, the question is who, from outside Sydney, might we be targeting?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Cowan had a missed opportunity with injury this year and Newman will give us a bit. I still don't subscribe to Saad being finished like others do. He missed Newman a lot this year. If you only have one runner in your defence they will get targeted and that is what Saad copped all this year. I think Newman back and Cowan going better and of course our younger ones like Carroll, Wilson and Charleson, we will see a resurgence in Saad's game and our defensive output in general.

HOF is exciting. Great size, pace and reads the game well. There is actually a little bit of Stephen Silvagni in his first season about him. Skills very good, moves and jumps really really well for his height. A steal, it's a shame he broke down.

I don't like Hollands on a wing, has hardly played any good football there. He's a natural half back and I called this from day dot with him. Hollands has good defensive traits and as a backman you don't need to be quite as quick of a thinker. He's very see ball get ball but he knows the basics of how to stay wide and receive which can be taught.

Hollands is like Cottrell as a winger, they run up and down all day and don't hardly touch the ball. Wing, to be really good you need to be instinctive and a quick thinker and pick the moments when an opportunity comes for you to go and you also need to be able to setup 2 or 3 steps ahead of the play. Acres does this well and if you have ever closely watch Steel Sidebottom play wing you will know exactly what I mean because he is unreal. Hollands does not have this and nor does Cottrell and this is why they will always be 7-15 possession wingmen who cover 15km per game and have a low impact on games. Wing is like small forward, it is a position you have to have the natural born instincts for and Hollands and Cottrell down. I don't know about Chesser. Walsh and Cerra do. Haynes surprisingly read the game well on the wing.

O Hollands is a halfback and only a half back but he can pinch hit on a wing. Same as Cottrell is a half forward and only a half forward who can pinch hit on a wing.

Evans was awesome in the VFL playing high up the ground from half forward for a month and I was screaming for us to play him in the role in the AFL. We eventually brought him in but played him deep and it failed, then we brought him back and played him at half forward and he was great. Goes to show how shit/slow our coaching is. Evans actually provided something we desperately needed later in the season.

McKay and Curnow hardly playing a game fit and mentally sound killed us this year as did Moir not being quite ready and Kemp going down. A full season this year with Kemp, McKay and Curnow fit and Moir where he finished off the season and we probably make finals this year or get very close to it.

Part of defending a game is being able to gain possession and keep possession of the ball in the front half and we were poor with this. Lack of forward targets and lack of run and carry to support our forwards also was an issue. You only have to look at the grand final. Geelong stayed with Brisbane and at times were outplaying them but struggled to gain and hold possession in their front end. No wonder they are wanting Curnow. It's often the reason a team can't finish games off well because this is the best way to run out of gas, if you can't get possession and keep possession in your forward end you spend too much of the game defending which exhausts your team.

Walsh and Smith need a third mature bodied mid who can run and has agility and is genuine A grade. I don't see Smith playing a lot of footy in the middle. He's still built like a match stick and I think he will be parked at half forward or half back playing up and around the midfield in an outside role. Possibly wing and probably for at least the next two seasons. This is great for us because we also need this.

Say we happen to land Butters. I'd be training Cerra differently, slimmer, more running and sending him back to a wing. Cerra has wing instincts, he can play there, which Cottrell and Hollands don't. Cerra was trending to be elite in the role early in his career and he should be looked as as going back to a wing. Second thing I would do is play Smith at half forward in the plus 1 midfielder role or at half back in the role with stints in the middle. Cripps and Hewett playing on ball in a traditional centremans role with Walsh and Butters feeding off them. That's what a modern midfield looks like, not the crap we have been serving up. Short burst rotations through there would be Chesser, Motlop and Moir.

We can't allow oppositions sides to identify times where we have gone too slow in there and target the one quick mid, this happens too much with our onball group and our half back group.

C: Haynes Cripps Cerra
HF: Smith * Chesser
OB: O'Keeffe Walsh Butters
IC: Lord Hewett

Give me this for a starting midfield please and watch us push for top 4.

I am with you. I am not down about where we are at all. I think we have a lot of potential for a good season next year depending on how things go in the trade period.

I think our backline will be fine. I am not worried about who plays CHB next season. Young was actually ok there at the finish of last season and we know he can get us through to a point and allow Dean to develop in the AFL. 2027 is going to be terrific with Weitering, Dean and O'Farrell, that's a terrific combination.

I hope we can land a few forwards for cheap. Someone like Heyward adds a lot to our side. Can we land a gun A grade mid? If we do that it elevates us off the ground. If not our midfield will struggle next year, quicker teams will walk all over us a bit but I am hopeful that we can sort this out this year or next.

Ollie played fat side wing in his early development while Acres played close to the ball. When Ollie played skinny side in juniors he frequently racked up 25+ touches most games and in some cracked 40+

With Acres potentially being pushed out I'd absolutely give Ollie the license to play skinny as his replacement. Chesser is an extremely powerful unit so would be more suited to the fat side than Ollie where he can use his speed and power to create space from his opponent. Ollie just sort of tracks from contest to contest over and over with an elite tank but no real speed to his game.

I see both being long term wing prospects for us and have a good contrast between them to be a suitable pairing.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Count Buku in direct swap for McGovern surely on the cards

 

[GoBlues!]

Hawks 1st is higher than ours and without the need to hold it for points.

We have the SOS compo and they have Worpel compo

They then have our second,

Unless we trade Charlie, we don’t have much

True, but are they not committed to getting Merrett which would require their #8?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Even if we take out his sub games he has 6 goals in 11 games - but the big issue to me is that he isn't just small - he is tiny - it is incredibly hard to make it at AFL level at that size.

If we get everything else we are trying to achieve done and we have a pick around 40 surplus to requirements I would have a crack but otherwise I would back in Motlop, Evans, Williams & White

He's taller than Watson, Daniel and Kozzie, is the same height as Brent Daniels and Charlie Spargo, gives up almost nothing to Liam Baker and Corey Durdin.

And he has the skills to offset it. My opinion, anyway. It's not like he's an Acres type whose only weapon is his ability to run forever. Roger has pace and agility, is incredibly clean, works hard both ways, has excellent vision to go with a very tidy kick, makes decisions quickly, sticks his tackles - the height is literally the only go-slow, but I think he has enough going for him that he could carve out a solid career in multiple positions, especially now that he's had a few preseasons to build up his body for the move to senior footy.

Finally - goals in isolation are a really insufficient measurement for a player like Rogers, especially such a small sample size. I don't think he's a goalsneak, he's a connector between midfield and forward.

 

[Blue__Balls]

True, but are they not committed to getting Merrett which would require their #8?

They can be as committed to him as they want - Essendon may well just tell them to duck off, end of.

 

[DrTrain]

Is there any word on our trade partner/s for pick 9?

 

[Pablito]

7 - so if we exclude those he has 6 goals from 11 games - and is still incredibly small

How many of those 11 was he subbed off?

Not too fazed anyway, kid has star quality and is playing more through the middle of the ground in the VFL. Seemed to be putting up great numbers also as he worked into the year.

 

[ctwenty1]

Count Buku in direct swap for McGovern surely on the cards

always thought we needed more Sith

First Anakin Skywalker (Chris Davies) and now Count Duku (Buku Khamis)

 

[MrJimmy]

I have no idea how he goes as a ruckman but Liam Reidy on trade radio sounds like a ripper lad.

 

[Blue__Balls]

How many of those 11 was he subbed off?

Not too fazed anyway, kid has star quality and is playing more through the middle of the ground in the VFL. Seemed to be putting up great numbers also as he worked into the year.

None

But the latter part of your comment is more relevant anyway. GC have quite a few avenues to goal these days, so it's unsurprising that Rogers isn't kicking bags given his inexperience and his role.

Ran the numbers - 35% of his touches are score involvements. For a side like us who can't hit a leading forward to save ourselves, he'd be an incredible fit, and we'd probably look to play through him a lot more than GC do given they've got a much better spread of good ball users across the ground.

 

[NavySteel]

I have no idea how he goes as a ruckman but Liam Reidy on trade radio sounds like a ripper lad.

Hopefully he can be a Patrick Voss for us, although Partick Voss is at Freo anyway, so...

 

[Sonny Jim]

What are your thoughts on Hollands? If he were to have an offer elsewhere, what would you guys want for him?

Is he too far gone?

He seems to be making the effort to get back in the team but as I understand it he pissed off the Prez and when you piss off the boss, well, there probably is no coming back from that one.

 

[CoachB]

Ollie played fat side wing in his early development while Acres played close to the ball. When Ollie played skinny side in juniors he frequently racked up 25+ touches most games and in some cracked 40+

With Acres potentially being pushed out I'd absolutely give Ollie the license to play skinny as his replacement. Chesser is an extremely powerful unit so would be more suited to the fat side than Ollie where he can use his speed and power to create space from his opponent. Ollie just sort of tracks from contest to contest over and over with an elite tank but no real speed to his game.

I see both being long term wing prospects for us and have a good contrast between them to be a suitable pairing.

I agree with batman, Ollie lacks penetration and impact. Can't fault the endeavor.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

He seems to be making the effort to get back in the team but as I understand it he pissed off the Prez and when you piss off the boss, well, there probably is no coming back from that one.

Yeah its a long way back from there, Voss was pretty stern too but unsure if that is posturing to get his arse into gear.

From a Crows perspective we have a poor draft hand, but I could see Hollands having value to unlock Rachele to have more midfield minutes.

There appeared to be interest from your end for Lachie Sholl a couple of seasons back, do you think this is still the case?

 

[BringFevBack2021]

I have no idea how he goes as a ruckman but Liam Reidy on trade radio sounds like a ripper lad.

Good enough to play some seniors this year, but behind three rucks at Freo

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I agree with batman, Ollie lacks penetration and impact. Can't fault the endeavor.

Then why on earth would we want him playing half back? Good Half backs are as damaging as they've ever been

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

 

[kingkingston]

I agree with batman, Ollie lacks penetration and impact. Can't fault the endeavor.

He lacks vision and creativity. His kicking action is very stiff and straightforward. He never adjusts under pressure.

 

[kingkingston]

It would have to be a multi team deal