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Traded Tylar Young [Traded to West Coast for Pick #38]
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I like it for the Eagles
Yep for sure. I remember watching Shaun Borgoynes last game against Hawthorn in 2009. As reigning premiers we were desperate to get our season going and a win would put us in the 8, even limping with a buggered knee, He was the difference.
He cost us a pick 9 and Mark Williams in a four club trade, 250 games and another 3 premiership later wow was he worth it.
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He is still a Richmond man.
Im expecting him to make an outrageous bid for Jack Ross or Ben Miller next year that gets us a Band 1 pick
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If we had suggested ( Richmond supporters )Pick 38, Rinsed
That Tyler Young was worth more than Chesser or Ryan the eagles supporters would have gone absolutely crazy
Yet here we are
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He was. Because our best player didn’t touch the field, our second was medically retired, our third played half the season, and our fourth is barely 20 and is putting the whole squad on his back every week. Solid tied 5th for Ginbey. My point was b&f does not equal best player
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Where do you expect the Ryan pick to fall in a far stronger draft?
Probably in the 30's again with the saints being stronger and the pick they get back in the 40's
as the eagles could and most likely still on the bottom 3/4
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You realise that’s a 2027 pick? Where the third round doesn’t start until pick 45 at the earliest?
Feel like this has already been explained to you in the Liam Ryan thread.
Why did it even have to be included ?
Clearly the eagles wanted him gone and were des[erate to get him out
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I don’t see why it would matter, it’s a virtually worthless pick. Doubt it’s any earlier than pick 50. I’d be very confident that the saints second is better than 38.
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This is is how Sisyphus felt
All clubs do it. I remember in 2016 when Richmond picked up Dion Prestia for pick 6 there was a bit of outrage inhouse that we paid to much. The thing is we had a good nucleus of players, so adding more top line players even if you feel you overpay is necessary because if you keep going to the draft you get nowhere fast.
WC might not have a team ready to make finals but adding Starcevich and Young is at least moving you forward far faster than bringing in young talent.
There are two groups of Eagles fans come trade time.
The "Bed Wetters" who complaign about every trade and think the club should shaft otther teams every single trade.
And there are other fans who accept swings and round about occur, getting a deal done and getting your target is more important than winning every single trade. And picks above 25 arent worth losing sleep over if you pay a bit more and keep trade relationships healthy with managers, players and clubs.
How is it wow. WC got a player ready to go who plays a position they need pretty badly. You might not rate Young but he was very good last year, surprised most of us especially considering he was coming of a year out with an ACL.
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It’s wow for some west coast fans bc of the death by a thousand cuts logic. Overpaying slightly on every single deal under Clarke (some more than others) will start adding up soon enough
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On talent in this draft class I don’t think it is that bad, but when you look at the leverage west coast had, as well as the surrounding picks, you struggle to see why we couldn’t just send 41. That’s not to say that a 3 pick difference really matters but it’s the precedent we’ve set now over the last 2 off seasons and the principle that is the issue. We are now a team that is happy to budge and give what is wanted. Would never in a million years see clubs like Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn etc. give up 38 when 41 is right there.
Half the reason I think they would’ve wanted to trade that instead of our picks in the 30s is just fan reaction. We threw in an extra f3 to move Ryan for no reason, accepted pick 41 for a former first round pick in Chesser, gave up 3 last year and ended up with Baker + Bo + Gross (which I rate but it’s still an overpay).
Like I said death by 1000 cuts, especially for fan sentiment. When you are never seen to come out on top on ANY deal, it starts to turn rotten. Old mate was talking about swings and roundabouts earlier, but we’re yet to perceive a trade being in our benefit. Another fella on here was talking about west coast fans obsessing over trying to win every trade, but it’s ANY trade right now. Just one.
So tell us what would have been a fair trade but a win for WC?
Chesser?
Ryan?
Young ?
You want a player you sometimes pay over, even if just slightly with 3 picks of the draft.
Supporters should take a less emotional look at it, hard when you are at the bottom I know, clubs working within the trade tables like to keep it civil, unlike trading with say Essendon over the years. You have added an important piece especially when you add Starcevich.
I hope Young has a really good year having said that because he is still pretty inexperienced but he has a lot of very good attributes.
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It’s hard to distinguish fair in my view, from other eagles fans view, and from realistic.
For example I would’ve been happy to have a deal centred around Carlton consolidating early to mid seconds, we move up to 10 and North move into 13. Something like North turning 25, 26 and 46 into 13. We turn 13, 34, 38, and Chesser into 10, 26, and 41. Carlton turn 10 and 41 into 25, 34, 38 and 46. Has Carlton paying less than they already have for Chesser, while consolidating draft picks in the right parts of the board. Opens up a potential pick swap for 2 for us with an early second selection on offer. North get into the first round.
Ryan is a simple as not giving up the FF3. That’s pure idiocy.
Young gets done for 41, no material difference to Richmond but we then end up with Young, 10 and 26, while maintaining the ability to either split 2, trade 10 up, trade 26 back in the event of an early academy selection, trade into 2026, or take a WA boy.
Like I said, it’s simple things not big massive changes. Take on more like the Starcevich trade, mutually beneficial swaps with players involved for the right motivations.
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The frustration isn't sometimes paying overs, it's a pattern of paying overs and accepting unders dating back years.
IN:
Young for 38 (makes us better, hard to believe anyone else would pay that)
Starcevich for call it 20 in overall value (makes us better, absolutely no one else would pay that)
OUT:
Chesser for 41 (makes us worse based on brief late season form, means nothing on body of work to date)
Ryan + 2027 3rd for 2026 2nd (makes us worse, don't know why we even did this trade)
It's not exactly inspiring stuff, but then none of the picks or players involved are inspiring on their own.
At the end of the day people can defend the current admin and blame the previous admin and hate/love every decision the club makes but WC have won 13 of the last 100 games and as long as that trend continues then the club's list management will be criticised. It's a results industry and that's how it works. If St Kilda win 10 games next year and finish 12th their list management decisions from this year will get torn apart. If they somehow manage to become a contender then all of a sudden conversations about overpaying to get TDK, Silvagni, Flanders and (potentially) letting Steele and Marshall go will go quiet.
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