86-89 Hawks vs 13-15 Hawks

[My Tilly]

Btw Dunstall grand final efforts from 86-91 are very under appreciated, 6, 6, 7 from memory.

Dunstall walked into the greatest team of the 80's early 90's.

The matches in which he kicked a handful of goals . . . Hawthorn won every grand final by 8+ goals.

Put Scott Cummings at full forward and he would have managed just as many goals in those games.

 

[Lingsface]

Dunstall walked into the greatest team of the 80's early 90's.

The matches in which he kicked a handful of goals . . . Hawthorn won every grand final by 8+ goals.

Put Scott Cummings at full forward and he would have managed just as many goals in those games.

He kicked almost the most goals ever around those games as well. Kicked 4 against us and won by 5 pts. The time he didn't play they lost in 87. Once they dropped off and lost the dream team he kicked 145 in 92, 123 in 93, 101 in 94, 102 in 96 in that time his next 3 finals after the 91 premiership were 3 losing finals and kicked 6,6 and 4. So it proves who ever he played with he was a star.

 

[Cyclops]

Dunstall walked into the greatest team of the 80's early 90's.

The matches in which he kicked a handful of goals . . . Hawthorn won every grand final by 8+ goals.

Put Scott Cummings at full forward and he would have managed just as many goals in those games.

I dont like Dunstall either but he was the first big forward who applied defensive pressure. Strong/fat, burst of speed, reliable hands, incredible consistency.

He's the second best FF I have seen and ranks with the greats like Lockett, and the "ifs" like Hudson and Coleman.

 

[shaqsuns]

The 11-16 Hawks were a product of good timing, because the Suns and Giants took all the good draft picks and the best player in the competition. I really believe if Gaz stays at Geelong their era would have been extended.

 

[Osho]

86-89 Hawks were super, they managed 5 flags. Remarkable really.

 

[Osho]

Dunstall walked into the greatest team of the 80's early 90's.

The matches in which he kicked a handful of goals . . . Hawthorn won every grand final by 8+ goals.

Put Scott Cummings at full forward and he would have managed just as many goals in those games.

ROAR!
That's just plain tilly!

 

[My Tilly]

He kicked almost the most goals ever around those games as well. Kicked 4 against us and won by 5 pts. The time he didn't play they lost in 87. Once they dropped off and lost the dream team he kicked 145 in 92, 123 in 93, 101 in 94, 102 in 96 in that time his next 3 finals after the 91 premiership were 3 losing finals and kicked 6,6 and 4. So it proves who ever he played with he was a star.

He kicked 4 on a bloke called Tim Darcy!
Yes, Tim Darcy.

He was brilliant but again, Dunstall had the luxury of playing in one of the greatest teams of all time.
He never came in and turned a clubs fortunes around like Wayne Carey did.

Once they dropped off and lost the dream team he kicked 145 in 92, 123 in 93, 101 in 94, 102 in 96

Hawthorn finished 5th, 4th, 6th from 1992-1994.
They may have lost the 'dream team', but they still has some pretty damn good footballers.

His goals in grand finals are underappreciated for a valid reason, Hawthorn smashed all and sundry in the big dance. Most full forwards of that era would be kicking bags of goals if they were winning by 10 goals.

 

[Bedi]

****ed up thing is that with AI we'll actually be able to watch this game one day.

But to answer the question, 1986-89 would win comfortably. Alongside Collingwood of the 1920s and Melbourne of the 1950s, Hawks 80s era was the greatest side of all time. 7 grand finals in a row is nuts, as is 8 out of nine if you include 1991

 

[RUNVS]

****ed up thing is that with AI we'll actually be able to watch this game one day.

But to answer the question, 1986-89 would win comfortably. Alongside Collingwood of the 1920s and Melbourne of the 1950s, Hawks 80s era was the greatest side of all time. 7 grand finals in a row is nuts, as is 8 out of nine if you include 1991

When AI gets good enough I am definitely creating an AFL match where every player rides a quad bike.

 

[WesternSydneyHawk]

Dermott Brereton is the bloke who is underappreciated as time goes by. His overall value to the team was more substantial than Dunstall's.
Big game player too. When matches needed to be turned, it was he who clunked the pivotal marks and protected his forwards with his dominance & aura on the field.

If I had to compare Dunstall to current players, he'd be a lot like Jack Gunston combined with Hogan.

Like Gunston, he was usually a very accurate set shot kick.

Like Hogan, he was a bulkier man with a powerful kick that had some range that would knock you out of the way if needed.

(Thankfully, unlike Hogan, he didn't do the silly twinkle-toes step.)

Typically, he'd have forward 50 basically to himself. He'd run forward into space, bowl over anyone silly enough to be in his path, snd convert the set shot.

I agree Derm was the better footballer.

These days, he tends to be remembered mostly for being reported.

But he could definitely take a speccy or kick an impossible goal.

Give Brereton a full preseason and a few weeks to adjust to the modern game, and he'd easily be in the best 22 at most AFL clubs today.

 

[Crock]

Question is intriguing, and obviously subjective!, but I can tell you who was a winner,......all Hawthorn supporters (6 premierships)

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

At the end of the day, fudebore will be the real winner.

 

[Lingsface]

He kicked 4 on a bloke called Tim Darcy!
Yes, Tim Darcy.

He was brilliant but again, Dunstall had the luxury of playing in one of the greatest teams of all time.
He never came in and turned a clubs fortunes around like Wayne Carey did.



Hawthorn finished 5th, 4th, 6th from 1992-1994.
They may have lost the 'dream team', but they still has some pretty damn good footballers.

His goals in grand finals are underappreciated for a valid reason, Hawthorn smashed all and sundry in the big dance. Most full forwards of that era would be kicking bags of goals if they were winning by 10 goals.

Carey won a grand final in the 90's by 43 points and kicked 1.

He didn't need to turn a clubs fortune around but is that his fault.

I think Carey was a better player btw, but Dunstall is one of the all time greatest undoubtedly.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

If I had to compare Dunstall to current players, he'd be a lot like Jack Gunston combined with Hogan.

Like Gunston, he was usually a very accurate set shot kick.

Like Hogan, he was a bulkier man with a powerful kick that had some range that would knock you out of the way if needed.

I was thinking Darcy Fogarty was the current player most resembling Dunstall's style.

 

[Mr Meow]

Begs the question who wins

15 people aged 13 to 15

or

89 people aged 86 to 89, assuming all are allowed onto the field at the same time.

89 people born in '13-'15, vs 13 people born in '86-'89 - that's a more interesting match up.

 

[catman2006]

No contest 86-89 Hawks easily tough team

 

[Osho]

Carey did not play at full forward. He was so much more dynamic and prolific of a footballer he had to do most of the dirty work before the ball was finally pumped to the goal square. This is the difference between playing certain positions in the AFL. In fact, I would argue CHF is the most difficult position on the entire ground. Not only are you required to be the best contested marker, you have to switch between multiple positions and be just as proficient.

I'm not disputing Dunstall is not an all time great. I just dispute your opinion he was underappreciated in grand finals.

So, Dunstall is an all time great, and equal to Cummins. Hmmm.

 

[Osho]

Even Moncrief booted over 600 goals playing in that Hawthorn team!
They were a bloody powerhouse in the late 70's to early 90's.

So, Dunstall isn't an all time great after all?

 

[Xtreme]

(Thankfully, unlike Hogan, he didn't do the silly twinkle-toes step.)

Dunstalls ball grip + drop punt motion was a thing of beauty!

 

[Xtreme]

Go hassle someone else

 

[WesternSydneyHawk]

So, Dunstall isn't an all time great after all?

I mean, he kicked 1,254 goals. Only Gordon Coventry and Plugger Lockett did better.

Phrased differently: Think of any other footy player in any other era.

Carey? Either Ablett? Hudson? Franklin? Even ones that played far more games, like Boomer Harvey or Michael Tuck?

Yeah, Dunstall kicked more goals than that bloke.

Dunstall averaged 89.57 goals per season, which was higher than Lockett (75.56) or Coventry (72.17).

That's an average of over four goals a game, every game, across his entire career.

To put those numbers into perspective, the most goals any current player has kicked is Jeremy Cameron, with 736. Cameron averages 52.57 goals per season.

Yes, Dunstall played in some historically great sides. But don't forget he retired in 1998, and the '80s carnival was well and truly over by then.

So his averages aren't just from when he was playing alongside the likes of Dermie, Dipper, and Platten.

It's also from seasons when he was playing alongside the likes of Simon Crawshay and Brendan Krummel.

And he still did well. In the merger debate season of '96, he kicked 102 goals.

In '98, when the Hawks finished 4th last, he still kicked 54 goals. That's higher than Cameron's career average.

Yeah, he played in a very different era and the game has moved on from that style. And noone will argue he was the most skilled pure footballer to ever play the game.

But in terms of key position players who reliably took marks and kicked goals year after year after year? Not just in great sides but also in some pretty ordinary ones?

Really only Plugger Lockett and Gordon Coventry can say they did that better.

 

[Osho]

I mean, he kicked 1,254 goals. Only Gordon Coventry and Plugger Lockett did better.

Phrased differently: Think of any other footy player in any other era.

Carey? Either Ablett? Hudson? Franklin? Even ones that played far more games, like Boomer Harvey of Michael Tuck?

Yeah, Dunstall kicked more goals than that bloke.

Dunstall averaged 89.57 goals per season, which was higher than Lockett (75.56) or Coventry (72.17).

That's an average of over four goals a game, every game, across his entire career.

To put those numbers into perspective, the most goals any current player has kicked is Jeremy Cameron, with 736. Cameron averages 52.57 goals per season.

Yes, Dunstall played in some historically great sides. But don't forget he retired in 1998, and the '80s carnival was well and truly over by then.

So his averages aren't just from when he was playing alongside the likes of Dermie, Dipper, and Platten.

It's also from seasons when he was playing alongside the likes of Simon Crawshay and Brendan Krummel.

And he still did well. In the merger debate season of '96, he kicked 102 goals.

In '98, when the Hawks finished 4th last, he still kicked 54 goals. That's higher than Cameron's career average.

Yeah, he played in a very different era and the game has moved on from that style. And noone will argue he was the most skilled pure footballer to ever play the game.

But in terms of key position players who reliably took marks and kicked goals year after year after year? Not just in great sides but also in some pretty ordinary ones?

Really only Plugger Lockett and Gordon Coventry can say they did that better.

I agree, fully.
The down playing of Dunstall's career can only be an antipathetic reading.

I am reminded of Locket's high regard of Dunstall, one great to another. Plus Dunstall chased and tackled. We may not have records of that other stat, goal assists.

 

[Osho]

Go hassle someone else

If you think this is being hassled, you haven't lived.

 

[Mr Meow]

If you think this is being hassled, you haven't lived.

Outrageous flirting!

 

[LionsOrDieTrion]

13-15 would win. There were no tactics in the 80s outside of “try harder!” And swing the magnets!