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I hate Koch, but there's an obvious difference between Sunrise and Warren's podcast, and that is Koch wouldn't have sourced their guests.
I'll also go out on a limb and say Koch would've offered more push back on those "controversial" moments than Warren going "hmmm interesting, good on you for asking questions ".
Mmm. Na.
My thoughts this morning are with Warren.
Where does he go from here?
Is he unemployable?
He won't make it as a commercially viable podcaster.
Surely it's time his friends/mentors step in and help him focus on his future pathway.
Wazza, it's time to stop fighting city hall and concentrate on your family and a happier future.
Where does he go from here?
Is he unemployable?
He won't make it as a commercially viable podcaster.
Surely it's time his friends/mentors step in and help him focus on his future pathway.
Wazza, it's time to stop fighting city hall and concentrate on your family and a happier future.
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I doubt the common Jewish person has any control over anything outside of their own lives.
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True. They are far worse
Koch is a hypocritical & duplicitous individual who has no right lecturing anyone on what he/she can say. Have people already forgotten how this disgusting pharma/lockdown promoting shill behaved during COVID? This guy unashamedly mislead his audience on a weekly basis, but somehow Warren is the one who lacks integrity.
As far as I’m aware, Warren has never tabled his new age philosophies at a PAFC board meeting. What he did regularly do was challenge the poor decision making & leadership that has crippled the club for years while under Koch’s control.
We all know Koch had to bite his tongue when Tredders was elected to the Board, this day was coming for a long time.
As far as I’m aware, Warren has never tabled his new age philosophies at a PAFC board meeting. What he did regularly do was challenge the poor decision making & leadership that has crippled the club for years while under Koch’s control.
We all know Koch had to bite his tongue when Tredders was elected to the Board, this day was coming for a long time.
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Making reference to the apology as the crux of it all is not downplaying it, because that's exactly what the sticking point was. Had Tredders agreed to apologise, he would still be on the Board, and points 2 and 3 of your post above would be redundant.
Fact is he refused, and if he came up with an alternative to the Club, it was most definitely rejected because that became the basis of his removal.
Immature? Yes. Dumb as all hell? Yes.
It’s probably not a popular view but I don’t believe either of them are overly “active” in hating black or gay people. Tredders on the other hand is truly dedicated to his poisonous ideology of choice.
“ISIS stands for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service”.
Anyone who associates himself with any dumb c@&$ who sprouts that utter nonsense shouldn’t be on our board- member elected or not.
Warren associated himself with that lunatic and his views by not apologising.
Free speech is both a right and a responsibility. This isn’t about non elected board removing an elected member but we can and should take the opportunity to tighten the constitution on this issue.
Anyone who associates himself with any dumb c@&$ who sprouts that utter nonsense shouldn’t be on our board- member elected or not.
Warren associated himself with that lunatic and his views by not apologising.
Free speech is both a right and a responsibility. This isn’t about non elected board removing an elected member but we can and should take the opportunity to tighten the constitution on this issue.
Tredrea was the best thing to happen to this stale, out of touch, unelected, unaccountable board in 15 years. Apologise for what? Apologies are ****ing meaningless. Principals are what count.
Okay, let’s chat about Warren’s principles shall we
How long have all of these sycophants been on the board?
If we can't get a member controlled board like the Crows and good on them, can we at least get a 6 years expiration date. Some of these clowns have been on the board I'm assuming for over a decade and done what?
Clean the board out.
If we can't get a member controlled board like the Crows and good on them, can we at least get a 6 years expiration date. Some of these clowns have been on the board I'm assuming for over a decade and done what?
Clean the board out.
I'm not going to address everything said here. I have my views on whether Tredrea was an appropriate board member after everything. But I'm not going to change anyone's mind with those arguments.
I wanted to address the board's statement and the governance issues. Before I do, I want to point out that I am a very strong supporter of a member-elected board and I think I have made my views on Koch et al clear over the years.
The board's statement does not accuse Tredrea of any breaches of the Corporations Act (ss180, 181 or otherwise. Instead, it simply says that the board has determined that his continuation of the board is not in the best interests of the Club. As directors, as soon as they made that determination, there was no choice for the board other than ousting Tredrea. Directors have a responsibility to act in the best interests of a company. The other members of the board would be facing accusations that they were in breach of their duties if they formed the view they did but let him stay on. Now, there are obviously questions whether that view is correct (again, I have my own view on that) but the consequences that follow after forming it are quite clear.
I wanted to address the board's statement and the governance issues. Before I do, I want to point out that I am a very strong supporter of a member-elected board and I think I have made my views on Koch et al clear over the years.
The board's statement does not accuse Tredrea of any breaches of the Corporations Act (ss180, 181 or otherwise. Instead, it simply says that the board has determined that his continuation of the board is not in the best interests of the Club. As directors, as soon as they made that determination, there was no choice for the board other than ousting Tredrea. Directors have a responsibility to act in the best interests of a company. The other members of the board would be facing accusations that they were in breach of their duties if they formed the view they did but let him stay on. Now, there are obviously questions whether that view is correct (again, I have my own view on that) but the consequences that follow after forming it are quite clear.
What exactly did Warren do that contrevenes his ability to be a board member? The Sov Citizen stuff was bonkers and wont stand up in any court of law, but outside of that?
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I am actually surprised he wasn't sacked because of the sovereign citizen issues, rather than the podcast. A person who denies the validity of the law cannot, in any meaningful or lawful way, fulfil the duties of a company director.
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This industry is obsessed with apologies. Everyone knows they don't mean anything and everyone would have forgotten about this topic had the board just left it alone.
No it's not that simple.
First of all the term sovereign citizen covers a very broad spectrum of beliefs and behaviours - from those with a misconstrued and demonstrably false understanding of Australian law and how it applies to them in certain circumstances (would put Tredrea in this class) to those who have extreme views on being outside of authority and violently opposed to government representatives trying to enforce Australian laws (Dezi Freeman fits in this level).
It is just dumb to conflate Tredrea's actions and beliefs in relation to his private finances and responsibilities with the actions and beliefs of cop killer Dezi Freeman as a midwit poster going by the title of The Blue Max has done on the main board.
Secondly, an individual with limited 'sovcit' views can be a director of a public company in Australia, as their "sovcit" beliefs are not a direct legal disqualification. Would imagine there are multiple examples of people with sovcit and other controversial views that hold Director positions in Australian companies.
However, a director must meet legal eligibility criteria of course under the Corporations Act, such as not being an undischarged bankrupt or subject to disqualification by a court or the ASIC. The disqualification of someone with "sovcit" views would only occur if they also, for example, refused to comply with the law or acted in a way that led to them being disqualified by ASIC, not because of their beliefs themselves.
Tredrea did not refuse to comply with the law. He just had a view that was contrary to the law - a view that was swiftly dealt with in the Federal Court this year. And he has not, as yet, been formally designated as an undischarged bankrupt.
As a a member-elected representative to a Football Directors Board role to a football club. I don't think his 'sovcit' views as expressed in his court defence demonstrated any breach of his Directors responsibilities to the PAFC as a public company.
Whether his sovcit views affected his ability to be an effective member of the Board and his interaction and involvement on all Board matters, including finances is an entirely different matter of course. That is a governance issue for the Board to deal with. It's clear from their statement yesterday that this was not the issue that resulted in Tredrea's sacking.
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Principaled enough to lose a reasonably high paying job for something he believes in.
Principaled enough not to bow to the mob and fake apologise when he did nothing wrong.
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A board member who does not recognise state and federal laws nor the nations currency being valid pretty much excludes themselves from any board discussions other than purely football matters.
Edit: as El_Scorcho posted above.
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