Player Watch #36 James Trezise

[Coach_Required]

Just don't see it with Tresize, he gives effort and that's probably why a few people really like him.

For me his reaction time is too slow, takes too long to decide what he is going to do with it. Is that from lack of senior experience? maybe, I'm just not a fan.

 

[THE_GUN]

Richmond has been a tough team to impress in during the time Trezise has been playing. He should still have upside. I tend to think he will make a reasonable AFL player. From there it is just a matter of whether there are other more reasonable players competing with him for the same roles. The difference between being a Broad or Miller, or not quite making it to being a regular best 22 player can be pretty marginal at times. Sometimes it comes down to whether the defensive unit requires a player with your profile at the time you are staking your claim.

Maybe someone like Gray will grab the spot when Broad goes. But where Gray is a poor tackler, Trezise is an excellent tackler. Little things like that can make the difference.

Trezise is a medium HBF with barely a 2nd position
He has played wing but only because we have had injuries and a lack of talent the last couple of years in that position
But we are now starting to get players that will push him out.

Brown , Trainor , Gibcus will all be demanding his position and if we draft Taylor then the seats are full in his position
so defense he wont get a game and would only play if we lose half the backline to injuries
So unless in the off season he somehow transforms his game to become a very very good winger then his days are numbered and only a matter of time before he gets delisted.

 

[Grrr]

Richmond has been a tough team to impress in during the time Trezise has been playing. He should still have upside. I tend to think he will make a reasonable AFL player. From there it is just a matter of whether there are other more reasonable players competing with him for the same roles. The difference between being a Broad or Miller, or not quite making it to being a regular best 22 player can be pretty marginal at times. Sometimes it comes down to whether the defensive unit requires a player with your profile at the time you are staking your claim.

Maybe someone like Gray will grab the spot when Broad goes. But where Gray is a poor tackler, Trezise is an excellent tackler. Little things like that can make the difference.

Broad, Miller and Gray are all bigger, stronger and most importantly, faster. I had hopes for Trezise because he has what good players have, a bit of time with the ball, but he really did not come on last season although given plenty of games (16) to show a bit more.

He will be very lucky to play half that many this year because unless he has a ripping preseason, I doubt he will start best 22. With so many young players coming through I think he will struggle to take one of their positions. If he was quick that might change, but he just doesn't have that seperation speed you need for his position at half back or wing.

Doesn't mean he is not a decent player, just a level below the coming competition.

 

[sante]

Well here is a selection of early quotes from the Broad thread. Culminating with yours. Where you admitted you thought he was going to be delisted before playing an impressive game. Broad was 24 at the time. Trezise is 23 now.

Lol you could find that on here about every player that has ever played

 

[Yze does it]

Broad, Miller and Gray are all bigger, stronger and most importantly, faster. I had hopes for Trezise because he has what good players have, a bit of time with the ball, but he really did not come on last season although given plenty of games (16) to show a bit more.

He will be very lucky to play half that many this year because unless he has a ripping preseason, I doubt he will start best 22. With so many young players coming through I think he will struggle to take one of their positions. If he was quick that might change, but he just doesn't have that seperation speed you need for his position at half back or wing.

Doesn't mean he is not a decent player, just a level below the coming competition.

True enough even though he's playing wing, half back rotated with Hugo and Banks in 2025. Kmac retiring opens up a wing and thats his best chance.

nice kick on him. takes time moving the ball around which makes him stand out with Short, Banks even banging it long to full forward for our talls to get continuously out marked. Lynch and the kid KPFs

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Love his effort but as a hbf he’s not a distributor or a linebreaker which kind of makes him pointless in that position. He’ll handball it 3cm to a kpd next to him rather than make the play.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Lol you could find that on here about every player that has ever played

Not some players. But yes, all the more marginal players.

But now we are finding it on here about the unresolved Jame Trezise. Thus, my posts.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Love his effort but as a hbf he’s not a distributor or a linebreaker which kind of makes him pointless in that position. He’ll handball it 3cm to a kpd next to him rather than make the play.

Was this also not true of Broad around the same stage of his development?

 

[Grrr]

True enough even though he's playing wing, half back rotated with Hugo and Banks in 2025. Kmac retiring opens up a wing and thats his best chance.

nice kick on him. takes time moving the ball around which makes him stand out with Short, Banks even banging it long to full forward for our talls to get continuously out marked. Lynch and the kid KPFs

He's better at half back than wing, and I would like to see a bit of experimentation on the wing, Broad, Short, Mansell, who might get squeezed up the ground by Hotton, Lalor, Robey?, Campbell, MRJ etc.

I think Mansell would make a really good wingman, as would Broad.

Half back with with addition of Trainor, Gibcus and possibly Gray (who has real upside I think), is starting to make the back iine hard to get into.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Trezise is a medium HBF with barely a 2nd position
He has played wing but only because we have had injuries and a lack of talent the last couple of years in that position
But we are now starting to get players that will push him out.

Brown , Trainor , Gibcus will all be demanding his position and if we draft Taylor then the seats are full in his position
so defense he wont get a game and would only play if we lose half the backline to injuries
So unless in the off season he somehow transforms his game to become a very very good winger then his days are numbered and only a matter of time before he gets delisted.

The trouble with all of these kinds of statements is they are also true of Broad. Which shows that players like this can make excellent careers. But I accept, not many of them.

 

[Grrr]

Was this also not true of Broad around the same stage of his development?

Broad plays tall and Short, very similar to Grimes, but Broad is also a running machine. Trezise is none of those things, although as you say, he could still improve. But he will need to improve rapidly.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Was this also not true of Broad around the same stage of his development?

Broads has size on his side was able play that third tall role as well which made him valuable. Trezise just seems like that awkward type that never really finds a role.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Broad plays tall and Short, very similar to Grimes, but Broad is also a running machine. Trezise is none of those things, although as you say, he could still improve. But he will need to improve rapidly.

Trezise can run. Though he may not be as fast as Broad, I am unsure about that point. But I am pretty sure if you said to Trezise there is Toby Greene or Josh Rachele, follow them and stop them, he would have no trouble keeping up. Not losing contests may be another thing entirely, but I think like Broad on similar players, Trezise would give a decent account of himself. The trouble is you only need one or maximum two of these defenders in your team. Previously it was Broad and Grimes. Last year the bro's, Broad and Brown. And for the taller mobile dangerous opponents, Miller. I think in our next successful team we will end up with 4 or 5 x predominantly intercepting/rebounding/attacking defenders, Gibcus, Balta, Brown, Banks & probably Trainor. And 2 or 3 x predominantly defensive defenders who can cover a range of threats, Miller, and others yet to determined. But Trezise and Gray from our current list would be two possible candidates from surprisingly few in a post Broad/Vlastuin/Short back 7. Brown has shown he is a potential candidate to switch between attacking and defensive roles. We just don't full know as yet whether Trezise and or Gray will be up to the role once fully exposed. But both have shown enough to say you would like to have more of a look at them in the role.

 

[clark1980]

it's the beauty of this year. a lot of spots available. plenty will get an opportunity with form and injury. will Trezise be one that grabs a spot. for me it's more on the won't side but like others on the list it's up to him. it's all part of the reason next year will be interesting to watch. who on the fringe wants it the most and shows development in body, attack on the ball and performance.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Broads has size on his side was able play that third tall role as well which made him valuable. Trezise just seems like that awkward type that never really finds a role.

Do we need another third tall capable defender with very mobile players like Trainor, Gibcus, Miller, Balta, Gray on our list?

Lions 2025 flag team had in their defence:

184cm Fletcher
175cm Zorko
183cm Wilmot
190cm Lester(predominantly defensive)
192cm Gardiner(defensive)
188cm Starcevich(defensive)
200cm Andrews

2023 Collingwood had

190cm Howe
189cm Maynard(predominantly defensive)
188cm Markov
180cm Quaynor(defensive)
203cm Moore
192cm Murphy(defensive)
190cm Crisp

I am sure we could look at the 2022 Cats flag team and 2021 Demons flag team and see also there is no exact blueprint a player needs to fit to be a defender in a successful team. But around 6 of the last 14 Premiership defenders are within 2cms of Trezise's height. His profile looks to me to be in a bit of a sweet spot for defenders in successful teams. It is simply a matter of whether he will prove good enough.

If I were Trezise I would be looking at players on the lists above like Gardiner, Lester, Starcevich, Maynard, Markov, Quaynor, and saying why not me? None of those are exactly Gavin Wanganeen, or exactly Dylan Grimes or whatever other model you want to mention. Broad took certain roles the great Richmond backlines required of him. He couldn't play as a key defender and could't play as a rebounder. If Trezise is good enough, he will find a role.

 

[sante]

Not some players. But yes, all the more marginal players.

But now we are finding it on here about the unresolved Jame Trezise. Thus, my posts.

He’s no good. Don’t need stats to see he isn’t a long term AFL player

 

[Meteoric Rise]

He’s no good. Don’t need stats to see he isn’t a long term AFL player

He is not a natural ball user. The rest of his game is AFL standard. But as I have been saying, Broad was similar at the same stage of his development. So I wouldn't be writing Trezise off just yet.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

At the moment Trezise is a player who will start in the VFL and will need an outstanding year to remain on the playing roster.

• Broad, Nathan - 192cm 86kg
• Gray, Campbell R - 195cm 91kg
• Trezise, James R - 188cm 76kg

Any comparison of Trezise/Gray relative merits / defensive weaknesses is fraught as it cannot account for any improvement that may occur to a player during the year.

• Trezise - Drafted: Round 2, Pick #13 2023 Mid-Season Draft
• Gray - Drafted: Round 2, Pick #16 2024 Mid-Season Draft

The only irrefutable fact is Trezise suffers in comparison for height and weight, which is detrimental to his long term chances.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

At the moment Trezise is a player who will start in the VFL and will need an outstanding year to remain on the playing roster.

• Broad, Nathan - 192cm 86kg
• Gray, Campbell R - 195cm 91kg
• Trezise, James R - 188cm 76kg

Any comparison of Trezise/Gray relative merits / defensive weaknesses is fraught as it cannot account for any improvement that may occur to a player during the year.

• Trezise - Drafted: Round 2, Pick #13 2023 Mid-Season Draft
• Gray - Drafted: Round 2, Pick #16 2024 Mid-Season Draft

The only irrefutable fact is Trezise suffers in comparison for height and weight, which is detrimental to his long term chances.

76kgs is incredibly light for a 23yo at 188cms, so I wouldn't be confident that weight is correct for Trezise.

But an interesting question is do more players play these type of roles around the size of Gray, or more around the size of Trezise? I suspect there are more around the Trezise dimensions but admittedly I am not certain of this.

 

[Yze does it]

Jimmy played his better football on the wing.
top 5 in running stats a few times.
21 disposals one game. Good kick on the boy.

Kmac retires ~ Tresize plays wing is his best chance.

mid season pick #13? Tresize already a success.

 

[THE_GUN]

The trouble with all of these kinds of statements is they are also true of Broad. Which shows that players like this can make excellent careers. But I accept, not many of them.

Not sure i would agree with that
Broad has proven he can play on a 196cm KPF that runs all the way upto the wing and sits in the goal square
Played on dangerous smalls like and done well and kept them quite
Played wing ( not a great role for him ) but has done ok in the past
Played loose intercept role

 

[partycorolla]

Well here is a selection of early quotes from the Broad thread. Culminating with yours. Where you admitted you thought he was going to be delisted before playing an impressive game. Broad was 24 at the time. Trezise is 23 now.

I stand by those quotes He had just injured his shoulder, was placed on the LTI and I thought he was on a 2 year contract having only played maybe 2 games and was out for the season. I did also say he may make it but may not be at RFC.

As it turns out, he's been quite successful... but I'm still reserving judgement!

I like Tresize though. Think he has some great traits, just needs continuity in the team.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I stand by those quotes He had just injured his shoulder, was placed on the LTI and I thought he was on a 2 year contract having only played maybe 2 games and was out for the season. I did also say he may make it but may not be at RFC.

As it turns out, he's been quite successful... but I'm still reserving judgement!

I like Tresize though. Think he has some great traits, just needs continuity in the team.

Just to be clear, I wasn't wanting to have a crack at the posters who relegated Broad in the early days. I recall being very uncertain about him as well. It does show that a player with similar early career deficiencies to Trezise can still have a really good career.

Jeez you did have Broad in the ejector seat though.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Not sure i would agree with that
Broad has proven he can play on a 196cm KPF that runs all the way upto the wing and sits in the goal square
Played on dangerous smalls like and done well and kept them quite
Played wing ( not a great role for him ) but has done ok in the past
Played loose intercept role

Having Broad's ability to play on taller running forwards is not necessarily an essential part of being a defensive hybrid. Broad spends the majority of his time chasing the likes of Tom Lynch from Adelaide, Toby Greene, Mannagh, Lipinski, Hayward, Weddle, Murphy Reid. Most teams have a couple of similar types of forwards. Trezise can probably give a decent account of himself on these type of players. I agree he wouldn't stand a Jeremy Cameron, but the way our list is looking we have a number of players likely to be able to compete well with that type of player.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Well here is a selection of early quotes from the Broad thread. Culminating with yours. Where you admitted you thought he was going to be delisted before playing an impressive game. Broad was 24 at the time. Trezise is 23 now.

Always find it somewhat amusing that when someone has the time to go through the back catalogue and include me in a multiquote then has nothing to say. So my general thought process on these occasions (not directed at anyone) is try harder you silly person.